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SX APPEAL wrote:
lne937s wrote: But regardless of this comparison, I really wish Nissan would take their CVT's to the track more (and wish more racing series would allow them). The concept has promise, especially if you tuned it for racing. And you can learn a lot about how to make a powertrain stronger by pushing it to its limits on the track.
Williams actually experimented with CVT's in their F1 cars in the early 90's. It got banned very rapidly though once it became clear what an immense advantage it would be.
The politics of F1 have always frustrated me. But the Williams Renault did show great promise.

Before that, DAF had some success with their Variomatic CVT's in Formula 3 and rallying. Although the vacuum-operated open rubber belt transmission was very torque limited compared to modern transmissions, the two belt concept is interesting. Basically, it eliminated the differential and allowed each wheel to operate independently through a passive system that let each pulley to run at a different speed. I keep thinking that in a modern, sealed, hydraulically operated, steel belt CVT, that an actively-controlled 2 belt system would be the ultimate in torque vectoring.

http://8w.forix.com/altpower-cvts.html
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Kompresshun wrote:I find more joy getting lost on some back roads for hours. I don't really care about lap times or how many G's a car can pull around a corner. I care about one thing: Does it put a smile on my face?
Funny you say that, because I was planning on letting you take a turn or two behind the wheel of Old Yeller if you came down to The Dragon this year and weren't in the Mito.

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It never fails to give me smiles for miles.

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It never fails to give me smiles for miles.
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BusyBadger wrote:
Kompresshun wrote:I find more joy getting lost on some back roads for hours. I don't really care about lap times or how many G's a car can pull around a corner. I care about one thing: Does it put a smile on my face?
Funny you say that, because I was planning on letting you take a turn or two behind the wheel of Old Yeller if you came down to The Dragon this year and weren't in the Mito.

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It never fails to give me smiles for miles.
I need to take a picture of my car exactly like this.

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I love a Z in yellow...

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BusyBadger wrote:
Kompresshun wrote:I find more joy getting lost on some back roads for hours. I don't really care about lap times or how many G's a car can pull around a corner. I care about one thing: Does it put a smile on my face?
Funny you say that, because I was planning on letting you take a turn or two behind the wheel of Old Yeller if you came down to The Dragon this year and weren't in the Mito.

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It never fails to give me smiles for miles.
I will admit that your 350Z is quite sexy. Yellow suits that car very well.
RicerX wrote:I need to take a picture of my car exactly like this.
There's no better back drop than the Tennessee or Carolina Mountains :yesnod

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I always try to grab some of these shots when i'm down that way. I'll probably try to snap some good shots of the Pathy while i'm down there later this week.

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Looks like Nissan will go a bit lighter/cheaper on the next Z... or go with an IDx instead. From Motor Authority:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094 ... sports-car
Two pute sports cars in Nissan's future—and GT-R is one of them

Nakamura admitted that sports cars are becoming difficult to make financially viable for a mainstream brand like Nissan, and that there can be no more than two pure sports cars in the automaker's lineup.

“We will continue producing sports cars...it's the heart of Nissan,” said Nakamura. “But 'how' is not simple, and GT-R, the quickest production sports car in the world, has to stay in that position.”

The GT-R is most definitely part of that two-sports-car future, the executive assured—and there will be plenty of other sporty cars that meet the definition of a sports car to some, like the Juke NISMO RS, he added. The current GT-R, although it received a major update this year, is now seven years along in its product cycle; and a next-generation GT-R, while under development, is still at least three years out.

“The Z is the affordable sports car, but the current Z has become a little bit more than affordable,” lamented Nakamura. “Same as the original Z, it's becoming bigger and more expensive.”



Next-generation Z (or IDx) going leaner, lighter, more affordable

Nakamura added that the automaker needs to think about how it can make the Z more affordable and approachable for the customer. And when asked about the success of the Subaru BRZ / Scion FR-S / Toyota FT86 trio, Nakamura acknowledged that it's generated a lot of enthusiasm, and “we have to follow it.”

No doubt, the IDx concepts have generated a buzz. Harking back to models like the original 1960s and '70s Datsun (Nissan) 510, and lean coupes like the classic BMW 2002, the IDx simultaneously pays homage to company heritage while wooing a new generation of drivers.

“The Z is a simple sports car; it has nearly 50 years' history,” said Nakamura, hinting that the challenge lies in how you combine the spirit of Nissan's two models. Adding to the progress of the Z as a contemporary sports car, Nakamura pointed to the IDx concepts as not so futuristic, yet very fresh.

“How we can use that kind of approach to get the next-generation Z, that can be our homework,” he said, adding that the project to synergize such a new affordable sports car will take several years and cannot be done quickly.

“And that's two directions,” summed Nakamura. “We want to keep a very high end super performance sports car; and Z or IDx—whichever—a more affordable, approachable sports car.”

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lne937s wrote:Looks like Nissan will go a bit lighter/cheaper on the next Z... or go with an IDx instead. From Motor Authority:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094 ... sports-car
Two pute sports cars in Nissan's future—and GT-R is one of them

Nakamura admitted that sports cars are becoming difficult to make financially viable for a mainstream brand like Nissan, and that there can be no more than two pure sports cars in the automaker's lineup.

“We will continue producing sports cars...it's the heart of Nissan,” said Nakamura. “But 'how' is not simple, and GT-R, the quickest production sports car in the world, has to stay in that position.”

The GT-R is most definitely part of that two-sports-car future, the executive assured—and there will be plenty of other sporty cars that meet the definition of a sports car to some, like the Juke NISMO RS, he added. The current GT-R, although it received a major update this year, is now seven years along in its product cycle; and a next-generation GT-R, while under development, is still at least three years out.

“The Z is the affordable sports car, but the current Z has become a little bit more than affordable,” lamented Nakamura. “Same as the original Z, it's becoming bigger and more expensive.”



Next-generation Z (or IDx) going leaner, lighter, more affordable

Nakamura added that the automaker needs to think about how it can make the Z more affordable and approachable for the customer. And when asked about the success of the Subaru BRZ / Scion FR-S / Toyota FT86 trio, Nakamura acknowledged that it's generated a lot of enthusiasm, and “we have to follow it.”

No doubt, the IDx concepts have generated a buzz. Harking back to models like the original 1960s and '70s Datsun (Nissan) 510, and lean coupes like the classic BMW 2002, the IDx simultaneously pays homage to company heritage while wooing a new generation of drivers.

“The Z is a simple sports car; it has nearly 50 years' history,” said Nakamura, hinting that the challenge lies in how you combine the spirit of Nissan's two models. Adding to the progress of the Z as a contemporary sports car, Nakamura pointed to the IDx concepts as not so futuristic, yet very fresh.

“How we can use that kind of approach to get the next-generation Z, that can be our homework,” he said, adding that the project to synergize such a new affordable sports car will take several years and cannot be done quickly.

“And that's two directions,” summed Nakamura. “We want to keep a very high end super performance sports car; and Z or IDx—whichever—a more affordable, approachable sports car.”
Apparently Nakamura and myself share some of the same concerns with respect to where the next Z should fit in the bigger picture of the lower tier American car market. Maybe we should point him toward this thread.


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