What do you think??
Ram Air
Ram Air
Has anyone tried making a ram air system for a 240?? It would be really easy to do, just curious if anyone had tried it. I am thinking about doing it. Gonna build an airbox around the cone filter on my Injen intake (short ram) and run a pipe from the box-through the hole where the air silencer used to be-to the spot beside the foglight. It won't be visible unless you get up close, not gonna make it look hooptie, I don't do that. It may help some when dropping gears at highway speeds. Works for WS6s and SSs What do you think??
What do you think??jeansguy wrote:If you plan on running mid 9's in the 1/8, then you will definately need those stick on exhaust tips for the sides of you car.......probably right by the ends of the doors.
You talkin sh*t man?? Read my sig, you see that I owned a highly modified '87 Buick GN?? I also owned a '99 Mustang GT as a daily driver, it ran 8.70's at 81MPH stock. I never ran the Buick, but, it was definitly a low 7 second car. I'm not a freakin "ricer" I know what the hell I'm doing, I owned the GN for 11 years, it was my first car too. So, save your ricer comments for people with huge spoilers and fart cans.
ok so the mustang gt in all its badness did the 1/8 mile in 8.7. what the **** does that have to do with you. It was stock, doesnt mean your type r products that u bought at advanced auto parts didnt make you a ricer. but yes you can make ythe ram air and i do all my fab work also. I also moved the airbox to the opposite side so my 3+ reversi hood would fit. Someone said the maf was sensitive to the oncoming air but gives me no problems alkl the way to 111. give it a shot, it took me about 15 minutes
the point of saying the Stang ran 8.70 stock was that this freakin 240 is the slowest car I have ever had, and, I've NEVER seen another stock 99+ GT (PI heads) run those times (shows that I can drive). I had a 400+ HP Buick and a 99 Mustang for a daily driver. I'm no freakin ricer, so, enough of the ricer comments. I'm just seeing how fast I can get the car to go with bolt-ons. Back to what this post is about.......I'll probably fab a ram air this weekend. I'll be sure to post pics when it is done. Should have a NISMO header by next week.
First of all Cory, you just need to settle down a little. If it sounded like I was talking some "rice" ****, it was not intentional at all........I was just having a good time! Sorry if you took offensive!
In my defense, I too am working on an intake project for school. Since I am double majoring in Physics and Mechanical Engineering, I have decided to develop a velocity stack/individual throttle body set-up for the KA. Since the collection manifold will sit in the same plane as the hood, it will be ram-air AND look rice........but since it's for track use and I MACHINED IT, I couldn't give two ****s what people think!!
So I know how you feel about people talking trash. Like I said, I was just trying to have a little fun. Sorry.
In my defense, I too am working on an intake project for school. Since I am double majoring in Physics and Mechanical Engineering, I have decided to develop a velocity stack/individual throttle body set-up for the KA. Since the collection manifold will sit in the same plane as the hood, it will be ram-air AND look rice........but since it's for track use and I MACHINED IT, I couldn't give two ****s what people think!!
So I know how you feel about people talking trash. Like I said, I was just trying to have a little fun. Sorry.
say jeansguy, u wouldnt mind sending me some info or pics or anything on the setup? im on the Formula SAE team here at madison, planning on mech. engineering, and thus have free access to machining goodies. and supplies from our fam's machine shop. i would really appreciate any advice u have to give[email protected]h0pele55r0mantik <- AIMthanks-Enzosorry for thread hijacking, yar
It's cool, Jeansguy.....sorry that I went off. I apologize to you and everyone that had to read that. That's cool that you are working on an intake project man!! Hope that it works out!! I'm hoping to build a very strong KA this spring. All forged internals, ported head and intake. Then, I want to supercharge it using a ProCharger. Right now, I'm just having a little fun with the car, seeing what I can get out of it!!
Hello again,
Since I just started thinking about the whole thing, all I have now are ideas and a few rough sketches. I will start the actual project the begining of next semester. My advisor is one of the heads of SAE here on campus and worked for three different formula one teams during his career! I got lucky with this guy because he seems just as excited about the project as I do. I will be more than happy to keep anyone who is interested updated......
Cory, the rebuilt KA sounds so d@mn good that I can't even descibe it. I would definately like to emulate you because I think the the SR motor is "the easy way out"!! If Honda can make bad *** little 1.6 and 1.8 motors, surely Nissan's 2.4 KA can be just as good, if not better!!
Since I just started thinking about the whole thing, all I have now are ideas and a few rough sketches. I will start the actual project the begining of next semester. My advisor is one of the heads of SAE here on campus and worked for three different formula one teams during his career! I got lucky with this guy because he seems just as excited about the project as I do. I will be more than happy to keep anyone who is interested updated......
Cory, the rebuilt KA sounds so d@mn good that I can't even descibe it. I would definately like to emulate you because I think the the SR motor is "the easy way out"!! If Honda can make bad *** little 1.6 and 1.8 motors, surely Nissan's 2.4 KA can be just as good, if not better!!
Now you're talking!! I feel the same about the SR. Sure, maybe the block is stronger and there are probably more parts available.....but, there is no substitute for cubic inches when it comes down to it. I'd rather do an RB swap....at least it is a 6 cylinder and is slightly larger than the KA. I just love building fast cars, and I like to be creative in doing so.
def. keep me updated, id love to see how u plan to do this. if i can get something like this to work, ill post all the info i can on it all, there still isnt enough info on KA stuffs. (getting better tho) Im thinking the best bet would be a sheet metal intake with short runner, use MAF and single TB to avoid need to standalone, and plumb some ramair into that baby. any ideas on how much flow the KA mafs can take? would it just eliminate any gains from a ramair setup?-Enzo
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hay cory2081.ram air. i got your ram air.
i made my useing the air holes in the front of my 97. the intake are on both side of the cars.had to lift up the window washer tank about 2 inch.and pipe it over to the driver side of the car.driver side intake is the main intake and come right of the air box.i get good pickup from 80mph and up.i can stay right on the a@@ of a ford 4.6 i cant pass. but it cant get away.race a black one to work wednesday moring at 125mph. was 3 car links behind him off the light.(need more of the line) but that was as far as he got. he fliped me the bird when he got to work. and my best time in the 1/8 is now a 9.4 sec. i have some photo in the mps of my ram air go have a look.
i made my useing the air holes in the front of my 97. the intake are on both side of the cars.had to lift up the window washer tank about 2 inch.and pipe it over to the driver side of the car.driver side intake is the main intake and come right of the air box.i get good pickup from 80mph and up.i can stay right on the a@@ of a ford 4.6 i cant pass. but it cant get away.race a black one to work wednesday moring at 125mph. was 3 car links behind him off the light.(need more of the line) but that was as far as he got. he fliped me the bird when he got to work. and my best time in the 1/8 is now a 9.4 sec. i have some photo in the mps of my ram air go have a look.
hmm interesting, but ive seen it proven for motorcycles, where varous ramair systems were compared to a control bike with no such induction. they didnt compare power, b/c diff displacements, etc, but measured pressure in the airboxes and tb, there was def. a difference among the bikes. now, bikes are that much faster that cars, and the intake systems are reasonably similar, why wouldnt it work on a car?-Enzobtw- kawasaki has the best ram air out there by a goodly margin. guess theyve been doing it the longest too
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Thats a pretty convincing article. Im not a physics master but the only flaw I see is that Im not sure the rules he is applying apply. The high speed/low pressure rules, definitly apply to airplanes(easily seen with lift descriptions) but I find it hard to believe that the air density isnt changed when air is blown into well sealed piping.
The Kawa example could easily be explained as a cold air induction system though. Most bikes pull air from under the seat which would be pulling heated air whereas the kawas are pulling it from the front of the bike. Similarly that could be the "boost" that car people get from ram air intakes.
*shrug*. interesting to think about though. I wonder what the truth of the matter is.
Slip
The Kawa example could easily be explained as a cold air induction system though. Most bikes pull air from under the seat which would be pulling heated air whereas the kawas are pulling it from the front of the bike. Similarly that could be the "boost" that car people get from ram air intakes.
*shrug*. interesting to think about though. I wonder what the truth of the matter is.
Slip
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ok so ram air does not work. so turbos.supercharges and NOS dont work to.after all all thay do is speed up the air and add psi to the intake.ram air does this but in smaller amounts.you may not gain hp but the hp you have will stay the same at higher speed and the motor will not have to give up hp to intake air.as the speed of the motor get higher it takes in less air .the ram help to keep the same amount of air flowing. I have been a A/C tech for over 18 years i work cfm.and air speed every day.the problem with most rams is that thay are to small to work right. a frind has a camro with this setup the hood part is nice and big but when you open up the hood the runners get very small and that not much help.and as for bikes (I DONT KNOW S***) arent thay 2 strok and car are 4 strok right.
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Depends on the bike. My 600 is 4 stroke. Most dirt bikes are 2 stroke I believe.
The point of the article was that, supposedly, faster air does not equal more compressed air. I agree with that, Im not sure that that rule applies when you are basically blowing into a container.
Personally I couldnt prove it one way or another. I do think that the argument he uses is not that great and not terribly convincing(plausible but not convincing) without seeing lab tests that prove it. But, if it were true, I was just giving an explanation as to why people would see improvement with an intake designed for ram intake.
The only other doubt I would be something along the lines of least resistance. Im curious what kind of pressure you would get in a closed system even at 80+mph. Why would air go in and not just turbulate(even a word?) outside of the ram intake?
Just kinda thinking outloud sorta. btw, the reason superchargers and turbos work is that they are physically compressing an area within a pipe. I just dont know if throwing air at a pipe with tons of space around outside would compress the pressure in the pipe or the air would completely avoid the pipe.
Ramble off
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The point of the article was that, supposedly, faster air does not equal more compressed air. I agree with that, Im not sure that that rule applies when you are basically blowing into a container.
Personally I couldnt prove it one way or another. I do think that the argument he uses is not that great and not terribly convincing(plausible but not convincing) without seeing lab tests that prove it. But, if it were true, I was just giving an explanation as to why people would see improvement with an intake designed for ram intake.
The only other doubt I would be something along the lines of least resistance. Im curious what kind of pressure you would get in a closed system even at 80+mph. Why would air go in and not just turbulate(even a word?) outside of the ram intake?
Just kinda thinking outloud sorta. btw, the reason superchargers and turbos work is that they are physically compressing an area within a pipe. I just dont know if throwing air at a pipe with tons of space around outside would compress the pressure in the pipe or the air would completely avoid the pipe.
Ramble off
Slip