radar gun question

[J-Owner]

Wow, Red Det no need for you to give me any advice I don't care to read anything further that you have to say.

I suppose because I called the cop a prick you somehow translated that into every cop is a prick. Not what I was saying. You are correct that you weren't there and you do not have both sides of the story. I will say that I don't appreciate being called an idiot so I suggest you watch your mouth unless you would like me to single you out as a prick, which I can do. Just a thought.

The three states that I travel in most are Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas of which all three states do not have a ban on radar detectors. If they don't want me to have one then perhaps they should ammend their laws. Until they do I am well within my right to own one and proudly display it in my window. I am also not afraid to tell the officer that all of that s*$t he went through to catch up to me and not one beep on a $500 detector that is one of the best made, is BS. He didn't have the radar on, he knows it and I know it. I don't like cigarette smoke but I can't kick every smoker in the country out now can I. I don't give a damn if the judge or the officer doesn't like radar detectors, unless they ban them that is no right to automatically give me a ticket.

Also, he wasn't pacing me he had slowed down to pull by a bridge support to set there and catch speeders. He had just exited the median when me and the dumb ***** in the GMC happened upon him. He had no idea which car was traveling 85. He picked me to pull over because I was driving in the inside lane (like I had been doing for 2 1/2 hours before the prick pulled me over). Last time I checked driving in the inside lane is not illegal. I don't like the outisde lane because roads are bad and it destroys my suspension in the G. When people approach me I move to the outside lane and let them pass and then move back to the inside lane.

When he gave me the ticket I told him you do realize I was being passed by the blue GMC to which he says I am the one that was passing, which is lie number 2 and yet another reason I am making a trip to the court. the ***** in the GMC was on my *** so fast I didn't have time to move to the outside lane to get out of her way she was passing me on the outside lane.

He assumed that because I was in the inside lane that I was the one speeding. He did not accurately assess the situation, he is dead wrong, I doubt he had the radar gun on given the fact that both me and the GMC were virutally side by side when he noticed us, he doesn't know which car was truly speeding. This all went down very fast and the GMC was clearly the one he should have pulled over which was why I was not only shocked but pissed that I was the one he pulled up behind.

I travel this same route from Dallas to Fayetteville five times a year and have for a decade now and not one time in ten years have I gotten a ticket because I know that hwy 69 from the Texas line to I-40 at Checotah is a huge speed trap. All of those little towns like calera, caddo, savannah, atoka, stringtown, kiowa and mcalister. All speed traps. I am simply not that stupid, which is why I typically travel the speed limit or set the cruise at 5 over. Hell, I can ride a damn bicycle 5 MPH. I don't think that is cause for alarm.

I have several friends who are police officer's and since posting this I have been able to talk to them and have developed my angle to fight the ticket. We will see what happens. I have requested already the calibration reports on the guns they use so as back-up hopefully they have not been calibrated in the last year.

considering it will be the cops word against mine, coupled with a judge who is almost always on the cops side, me as a non oklahoma resident, the offense ocurring within jurisdiction of a small town and the fact that speeding tickets are huge revenue generators for small towns, I fully expect to lose. BUT....if I can leave with the courts acknowledgment that there IS THE POSSIBILITY that this cop did not see things as he thought and the fact that a cop could be wrong and the average citizen could actually be right that would be good enough for me. It is not an issue of money it is an issue of principal. I don't like handing over $200 when it is not justly warranted.

As for RED_DET stop being so fu**ing judgemental, as you said you weren't there. I will be add you to my list of people on here to avoid in future posts.

For the rest of you thanks so much for the advice I really appreciate it and I will let you know what happens. The court date is a couple of weeks away.

[RED_DET]

Its funny how everybody remembers all the bad things someone has done, but can't recall the good things.

Here is one thing you should remember:

http://www.odmp.org/year.php

until you decide to put your life on the line every day, then most of the bishez that you got are pretty minimal, aren't they?

the highest percentages of death are automobile related.

[RED_DET]

You have me concerned with somebody that gives a rats a$$ whether you avoid me or not. I didn't call you an idiot, I said what idiot would do that. I was giving you a taste of your own medicine by calling the cop a prick. So if the shoe fits, wear it....... So you have friends in law enforcement, wonder how they fell about being stereotyped into the prick category. As for me, I don't care if you think I'm a prick or not, I won't loose a wink of sleep over it. Good luck with your ***** session.

[J-Owner]

RED _DET

One of my friends who was an officer here in Dallas was murdered two years ago by an illegal immigrant during a domestic dispute call. Don't think for one minute that I don't have the utmost respect for police officer's and what they do for the general public.

BUT....it is possible to be a prick and still wear a badge, it is possible to be unethical and still wear a badge. If you think otherwise, then you are the idiot. I am speaking about one and only one cop in small town oklahoma that is unjustly writing tickets and screwing people out of hard earned money. Don't attempt to bleed my bitching over to law enforcement in general.

[J-Owner]

Ummmm.....that's good medicine.

Your one of the reasons why I don't normally post on here. Cocky know-it-alls that always have to stir up sh*@t instead of answering a question.

I am glad you won't lose sleep, that makes me feel better because I do think you are a prick

[RED_DET]

Its not your bitching, but the continued bitching all the time from somebody.

No where in your post did you explain why the officer was a prick. Other than the fact he pulled you over mistakenly and gave you a ticket.

[rn79870]

When is anti-cocky going to be added to officer training?

Real Estate Professionals (in CA) have to take ethics courses every 2 years. Do police have to go through anti-cocky training as often?

Cocky cops are probably responding in kind to the treatment they receive from the person(s) they are dealing with. Maybe if you changed your approach, things would go more favorably for you.

[RED_DET]

my feelings are hurt now.

NOT

[RED_DET]

Cocky cops are probably responding in kind to the treatment they receive from the person(s) they are dealing with. Maybe if you changed your approach, things would go more favorably for you.

DING, DING, DINGwe got a winner right here.....

[rn79870]

Ummmm.....that's good medicine.

Your one of the reasons why I don't normally post on here. Cocky know-it-alls that always have to stir up sh*@t instead of answering a question.

I am glad you won't lose sleep, that makes me feel better because I do think you are a prick

I'm guessing you may not like the attention this post brings you.

[heliochrome85]

im sure he is just venting seeing how this happened today. it happens to the best of us. hope everything works out though. tickets are no fun but they are reminders of the responsibility we have when we pick up the keys.

[J-Owner]

I didn't explain WHY he was a prick because I didn't want to waste everyones time with a huge long novel of what happened, I just wanted to ask a simple question and get some members advice.

However, I wound up telling you the whole story anyway now didn't I thanks in large part to your pre-conceived judgement and tacky tone of your previous e-mails. Your tone was unnecessary which naturally brings out some hostility in me.

You asked what kind an idiot would tell the cop that "my radar detector didn't go off" You couldn't be more blatent in calling me an idiot if you tried and then you try to back peddle or you are shocked when I get defensive???

Are you kidding?

[J-Owner]

Actually, I don't mind the attention at all and I have no beef with anyone other than RED_DET at the moment.

I mean really do you like being called an idiot for asking a question? I know I don't and I don't think the manner in which he has responded to this post is necessary, which in turn obviously pissed me off.

He is cop...I get that. He thinks that cops right in the eyes of the public and that is not correct nor is that what I was even referring to but if he thinks that there are not crooked cops out there and if he thinks that cops don't right unjust tickets in order to meet quota AND drum up money for their respective cities then he is very naive.

As I said before I appreciate the CONSTRUCTIVE advice that you all have given me.

Thanks.

[smockers83]

You're assuming that I ask all of the other questions on the side of the road. I agree that officer safety is important, that's why we have the law move over or slow down here in MI.

How does it reduce credibility? Just like if I call someone else out, say the government, and they say no and don't produce evidence otherwise. Reduces their credibility, like as if they have something to hide. Read on. If I had asked to see the gun and he had said no...what is there to believe that I was actually speeding? His word and that a judge will take his over mine, at which point I was only 17?

As for me, I was honestly & legitimately maintaining my speed on a 4-lane highway. Someone pulled out in front of me so I had to move quickly and pass the car, so that's observation for speeding? What am I going to do, speed up and increase my chances of hitting him and pass him? I don't think so. And then he has to get behind me and say that I was speeding, all the while I was maintaining my speed? His speedo shouldn't be 10 over mine, if so he needs his car checked. And he could have seen this whole scenario unfold. What am I to do, lie and agree that I was actually doing 70 or state my case? Nor was I out in front by myself, there were others in front of me, and it was on a slope so it could have been someone behind me as well and I was the larger vehicle. He was also sitting right next to the Doppler station. I know how radar works, my friend's dad who is a sheriff told me all about it while I was in England with them, although I can't recall every detail. He agreed that I shouldn't have been a target vehicle.

[J-Owner]

I totally agree with you. I have been pulled over before when I knew I was speeding and I got caught speeding and I was very nice to the cop even when I knew I was getting a ticket because I deserved it. I am not 2 years old. I paid the ticket and went on about my business. That was eight years ago since I had a ticket and it was in Dallas.

And while I did not cuss out or call this particular cop any names (to his face) I made it VERY CLEAR that not only was he wrong but that I was EXTREMELY PISSED!!! Because I knew I was about to get the shaft and there was nothing I could do about it. I don't regret any of the arguing I had with him on the side of the road. That may come back to haunt me but I am fine with that the worst that happens is I pay $200.

[Sentientbydesign]

Staff engaging in finger pointing and name calling huh?

I am very nice to police despite their lack of consideration for the public that they "police". Public servants need to remember who they serve. Not themselves and not the government. "...by the people, for the people..."

I will be changing jobs here pretty soon, in part, for that reason. I feel like I'm being paid to sit around doing nothing. I don't want to add to the typical government worker stereotype.

[rn79870]

That wasn't my point. It's okay to be pissed at something, especially when you think you are in the right. But there are two sides to each story, and Red Det was just playing the devils advocate. After all, you did ask for opinions, so you have to take the ones you don't like as well as the ones you like.

I hope it works out for you and you move on with your life.

[rn79870]

Staff engaging in finger pointing and name calling huh?

I am very nice to police despite their lack of consideration for the public that they "police". Public servants need to remember who they serve. Not themselves and not the government. "...by the people, for the people..."

I will be changing jobs here pretty soon, in part, for that reason. I feel like I'm being paid to sit around doing nothing. I don't want to add to the typical government worker stereotype.

It's just that you seem to complain about the police more than anyone else here. Typically, when someone has that many problems with the authorities, they have usually done something to bring it on themselves. But if you say you that's not the case, then it's not the case.

[J-Owner]

Thank you. And you are correct I did ask for opinions but I DID NOT ask to be called an idiot and to be talked to like a 2 year old by the almighty Kentucky Cop who quite clearly never writes any kind of ticket because he is paid by the taxpayer to spend his day at his desk behind a computer on the internet pissing off people on NICO as we have clearly witnessed by this long post today. Go figure.

Thanks RN for the advice I do really appreciate it. Hopefully I will be vindicated but as I said I will likely lose and wind up forking over the money. What happens happens.

[Sentientbydesign]

It's just that you seem to complain about the police more than anyone else here. Typically, when someone has that many problems with the authorities, they have usually done something to bring it on themselves. But if you say you that's not the case, then it's not the case.

*Calms down*

If you read my post regarding the lack of help and excess issues with law enforcement, you'd realize I wasn't the type of person who just got pulled over all of the time.

I don't drink and drive. I don't do ANY types of drugs. The most I've ever stolen was some gum when I was a child. I do speed on a regular basis, but it's always within safe parameters (large margins for error, thin or no traffic, clear visibility, and dry road conditions, rarily if every over 90).

You're welcome to come to the next meet if you are interested. And I've been down in your neck of the woods 3 times in the past month.

[C-Kwik]

Yeah but we all know that in KY people do things backwards... haha j/k

In all seriousness...they have to be able to prove w/o a reasonable shadow of doubt to a normal person that you are guilty of the charge. If they cannot show you the radar gun with your clocked speed...that creates room for doubt....once that is there...case dimissed.

Well, it could be argued that even if he showed it to you, it could be someone else's speed. Or an officer can simply swing the radar gun around (if portable) and register an incorrect speed and claim it was your speed. There's little real difference legally between an officer telling you and showing you. Hell, he could show you and you could lie and say it was lower. Short of video showing the radar reading as it catches you, it would be hard to argue beyond any doubt. But the law only requires that he proves it beyond a reasonable doubt. This means you can't whip up some assinine argument and expect the judge to let you off the hook. It has to be a reasonable argument. And reasonably speaking, most officers don't have a propensity to write unjust tickets, especially on purpose. It happens, but I wouldn't say its the norm.

That said, if you request to see the radar reading, it could create a potential defense, but my thought is you'ld likely need more substantial observations as to the error of the reading rather than the argument of the reading itself. Say something that could clearly throw off the reading that was actually observed. Not speculated.

[C-Kwik]

sounds like you were a straight ricer back in the day....

LOL! Wait....are you saying you would ticket ricers more?

Actually, I chalk it up to a year of really bad luck. Sure I sped and did the rolling stops, but for that year, there seemed to be cops everywhere I did. Haven't changed my driving much since (perhaps other than the adjustments I make through experience and knowledge), but I stioll speed and still don't always fully stop at stop signs. My records clean ATM. *knocks on wood*

[RED_DET]

Thank you. And you are correct I did ask for opinions but I DID NOT ask to be called an idiot and to be talked to like a 2 year old by the almighty Kentucky Cop who quite clearly never writes any kind of ticket because he is paid by the taxpayer to spend his day at his desk behind a computer on the internet pissing off people on NICO as we have clearly witnessed by this long post today. Go figure.

Thanks RN for the advice I do really appreciate it. Hopefully I will be vindicated but as I said I will likely lose and wind up forking over the money. What happens happens.

You are still crying about this, jesus, joseph and mary. I'm glad you know so much about my job, but never thought, maybe he is off today, oh what a possibility that may be. Great assumption you got there, but what more would I expect.

Remember its just the internet, take a deep breath and relax. If you are all bent out of shape about the internet, I can already see how you acted on the side of the road. Just thought I would make an assumption.

[RED_DET]

Actually, I don't mind the attention at all and I have no beef with anyone other than RED_DET at the moment.

I mean really do you like being called an idiot for asking a question? I know I don't and I don't think the manner in which he has responded to this post is necessary, which in turn obviously pissed me off.

He is cop...I get that. He thinks that cops right in the eyes of the public and that is not correct nor is that what I was even referring to but if he thinks that there are not crooked cops out there and if he thinks that cops don't right unjust tickets in order to meet quota AND drum up money for their respective cities then he is very naive.

As I said before I appreciate the CONSTRUCTIVE advice that you all have given me.

Thanks.

you are absolutely right, I'm a dumb ole rookie with about 2 months of experience, I don't know anything about law or how people act during traffic stops. I think I have only stopped 10 people in the 2 months I have been on. I can't believe that there are crooked cops out there, really? Damn where have I been, need to get out from under this rock and open my eyes.

Don't really care if you like how I responded to this thread, I'm not here to kiss a$$ and agree with everything that is said. I suppose because I called someone a idiot that would ask a cop to see their radar because their radar detector didnt work, you somehow translated that into every person to ask that is a idiot. So I guess you got two options, deal with it or don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. You think I'm going to stop posting because you a beef with me? Please, you aren't the first person I have pissed off and won't be the last.

Hang around for awhile, you might like me after all.

your friend,

The Devils Advocate

[heliochrome85]

this is a bit off topic, but i must say. RED_DET, you have one classy *** car. for somereason, im hypnotized by your sig. is it magical? i bet it is.

[RED_DET]

this is a bit off topic, but i must say. RED_DET, you have one classy *** car. for somereason, im hypnotized by your sig. is it magical? i bet it is.

thank you sir, your coupe is looking magically delicious as well.

[heliochrome85]

seriously though, did you make that sig yourself? if so what did you play with in photoshop? im itchin for a photoshoot and since the weather is nice tomorrow, it may be it.

[RED_DET]

a friend of mine took the shot. he was using a flash setup. he had to flashes, one at the front corner of the car the other at the back. the flashes were setup on tripod and he had a remote hooked up on his camera. he then did some photoshop finishing touches and there ya go. he was shooting with a canon 20d.

[heliochrome85]

very doable. i can do it in two or three separate shots and have the camera and photoshop sort them out. i have a Nikon dSLR, which should do the trick. ive always loved that silver color on the G. Reminds me of mercedes silver.

[audtatious]

Jesus fawking Christ. Every time someone gets a damn ticket it's the same ole sh1t. Bad 'ole cop, I didn't do it, etc etc etc. Get over it and be lucky it's just a traffic ticket instead of getting caught doing something REALLY stupid that causes you to lose your license and crap. Just be lucky you didn't get caught on those occasions that we all have.

Boys, this is getting old. Instead of bitching at our "local" cop why don't you instead discuss issues to get his viewpoint on workings and potentially what to do/not do during a stop and how to address issues instead.

Sorry, but I have yet received a ticket I did not deserve and I have been let go without a ticket as well. It's life, get beyond it.