Q45 Supercharger Project: From Conception to Reality.

[PoorManQ45]

Jim Wolfe Technology

[maxnix]

http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/

[Mirage]

Thanks

[avmark]

I've been trying to find aftermarket performance gear since I bought my 2002 Q45. Gave up before turning in car at end of lease. Now have a 2005 FX45. Installed a Stillen cat-back exhaust. Will be installing a K&N filter. And that's it. I can't find anything else of value for the FX45. Since the engine in the FX45 is a V8, I was hoping that your supercharger project might translate to my FX45. Please advise or help with recommendations. ThanksAvmark

[AZhitman]

Keep an eye out for a Keuylian (hope I spelled it right) supercharger, I have seen that kit on M45's and Q45's.

You have a different engine than the G50 (90-96 Q45).

[350zQ45a]

Update (4/20/05) : Thomas has officially begun development. Completion of the first kit should be roughly in 8 weeks (or around June) I am the buyer of the first kit, and will be eagerly waiting to post up the results on NICO. Stay tuned, we are very close!
Modified by 350zQ45a at 8:47 PM 4/20/2005

[AZhitman]

I'll expect an exclusive invitation to *ahem* "supervise" the installation!

Can't wait to see it!!!!

[350zQ45a]

I am hoping for good luck using 450ZX's method of shipping the ECU to Stillen and having them go through JWT and flash it. I sent my JWT Trimode TCU to Wolf in November, I haven't heard anything since, and continually to be told to wait.

Slim said he managed to get his Flashed boost map ecu in a month, by going through Stillen.

Can't believe it would be possible to have the kit and be ready to go, only to be held up by a measely ecu FLASH.

Here is some information for people who may be thinking about how much boost they may want to run with this kit:

"WE KNOW THE ENGINE IS SAFE TO 9 PSI WITH WATER/ALCOHOL INJECTION. THE 370CC INJECTORS WILL SUPPORT 65HP EACH, SO THAT IS 520HP AT FULL DUTY CYCLE. THE ECU WILL NEED TO BE BURNED OR A SIMPLE FMU USED TO RAISE FUEL PRESSURE TO COMPENSATE FOR BOOST."

I have selected 6 psi for my kit. If I had headers I'd probably run 3-4. Huge HP gains with headers mean you don't need much PSI to get to the magical 400 hp number.

[rsiwicki]

ahh just when I thought I was done with mods to my car somebody posts an interesting note that I would not have to run as high PSI because I have headers which I understand. Hmmm...maybe this x-mas Santa will be nice to the Q.

[350zQ45a]

More information from Thomas regarding PSI selection:

"THE GAINS WERE THIS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 222 WHEEL HP STOCK. 278 WHEEL HP @ 3-4 PSI. 325 WHEEL HP @ 3-4 PSI WITH A JWT ECU AND CUSTOM EXHAUST. THAT WAS THE STAGE 1 KIT OFFERED BY DR. REX BIRKMIRE'S B.A.D. PERFORMANCE. THEY ALSO OFFERED A 6 PSI PULLEY, BUT I DONT RECALL IF IEVER HEARD ANY NUMBERS. SO BASED ON THE 3-4 PSI & EXHAUST, WE CAN ASSUME 15-20 HP PER PSI. THAT SHOULD BE 350+ WHEEL HP @ 6 PSI TO BE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE. ADDING W/A INJECTION WOULD YIELD ANOTHER 25+ WHEEL HP, WHICH WOULD EASILY REACH THE 450 FLYWHEEL HP YOU ARE SEEKING."

Rob,

I think with your incredible headers, and your dyno proven numbers, 3-4 psi would put you well over 300 RWHP.

[PoorManQ45]

Update (4/20/05) : Thomas has officially begun development. Completion of the first kit should be roughly in 8 weeks (or around June) I am the buyer of the first kit, and will be eagerly waiting to post up the results on NICO. Stay tuned, we are very close!

Good going ryan...

What all has to be fabricated?

[elwesso]

Good going ryan...

What all has to be fabricated?

Everything, make a GM eaton bolt to a Q45 engine

INteresting information Ryan, wished you shared that with me earlier.. WOuld you mind posting more of the emails from TK on here?

[NICORPS-Q45]

I can't wait to hear/see results on this project. I'm really interested in getting this done to my Q in the not-so-far-off-future.

[Q_SHIP]

Im sure you have noticed that they do have an intercooler to support the M9o. I have considered this on my GTP.

[Q-Tips]

I have a stock engine but I'm looking forward to read how the supercharger for the Q45 is coming. Is there a phone number or webpage that I can inquirer? Here's my Q.

[elwesso]

Oh my spirits!! NICE Q....

Post pics in our members ride gallery...

IF you want details on the SC, email me [email protected]

[Q-Tips]

I'm having problems getting access to upload some pics. Here's another pic

[Q-Tips]

Here the rearview.

[Q-Tips]

And here's a frontside view.

[PoorManQ45]

I like the front and side skirts, but the rear bumper looks a bit bulky. ALthough I do like the dual exhaust

Nice looking rims. Hopefully there arn't many potholes near you

[Heath]

Maybe you posted this and I missed it, but what body kit is that???

[Q-Tips]

Here's a link to other pictures:

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/853744/1

The kit is a modified Erebuni. I didn't like the front end so I had it modified. The rear ground effect kit was modified slightly. I had to the rear parking markers installed in the rear.

[one ton garage]

just wondering, but are the incongruous lines on the bodykit meant to be there on purpose? No offense, but i'm just curious... I know different people have different tastes, so i'm not sure if the dissonant shapes are part of the design or not.

[Q-Tips]

I don't know how you would get rid of the lines. Before I installed the kit, there were lines from the orginal body parts. Do you have any suggestions?

[PoorManQ45]

Just noticed: What color is the body kit? In th epictures it looks a little bit different then the rest of the body. IS that because it's factory NEW paint that was used?

[MJC]

More information from Thomas regarding PSI selection:

"THE GAINS WERE THIS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 222 WHEEL HP STOCK. 278 WHEEL HP @ 3-4 PSI. 325 WHEEL HP @ 3-4 PSI WITH A JWT ECU AND CUSTOM EXHAUST. THAT WAS THE STAGE 1 KIT OFFERED BY DR. REX BIRKMIRE'S B.A.D. PERFORMANCE. THEY ALSO OFFERED A 6 PSI PULLEY, BUT I DONT RECALL IF IEVER HEARD ANY NUMBERS. SO BASED ON THE 3-4 PSI & EXHAUST, WE CAN ASSUME 15-20 HP PER PSI. THAT SHOULD BE 350+ WHEEL HP @ 6 PSI TO BE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE. ADDING W/A INJECTION WOULD YIELD ANOTHER 25+ WHEEL HP, WHICH WOULD EASILY REACH THE 450 FLYWHEEL HP YOU ARE SEEKING."

Rob,

I think with your incredible headers, and your dyno proven numbers, 3-4 psi would put you well over 300 RWHP.

I don't know how tight the dimensions are (probably pretty tight), but what about the possibility of running a M112 instead of the M90? As far as I know the dimensions of the M112 are very close to the M90, aside from front to back length. Per the numbers I have, they are both equally wide at 192, and the M112 is actually a touch shorter at 136.8 vs 138. The difference is that the minimum to maximum length dimensions (I suppose there are different shaft lengths??) are 254.5-415 on the M90 vs. 292.4-453 for the M112.

This may be completely unnecessary if the M90 is a more capable blower than what I think it is. I know this is what the GM 3800 V6 motors come with, and there are certain examples running decent times with them, but I thought they were limited to about 370whp...and that's after an intercooler.

Another question I have is...how well will the motor/transmission stand up to this type of horsepower for an extended period of time. I already have 120k on the clock and was hoping to keep her for another 4 years or so (should be around 210k by then) That's a lot to ask of an old motor and transmission

How much can the fuel pump handle? I know the stock injectors should be good for 400whp or so.

I'm a big time turbo guy...it's almost all that my company does...and I've been contemplating trying to fit a turbo (or a pair of smaller ones) in the engine bay for a while...but the piping would be a nightmare, so if this is feasible for a decent price...I'm most likely very interested. :

If I do this, I'm going to fab up a set of headers and nice exhaust as well...should be a pretty sweet ride with an extra 150whp.

[Q_SHIP]

When is this thing going to be done? Have you even started it yet?

And the M90 is capable of moving a GTP into the 11's. I think it would be perfect to make the Q a mid 13 second car.

[PoorManQ45]

aT 4-6PSi the Q is good for 350~400RWHP. The M90 is more then capable of producing that amount with a high volume.

IIRC wes said they're going to get the M90 ported too so it flows the same, possible more, then the M112

[elwesso]

Since the eaton has tobe fabricated to fit, we're using the M90.. Reasons being is that its cheaper (lots cheaper) more reliable, and with some cheap n' easy mods it can be made just as good as the 112..... Thomas specializes in race porting and tuning the M90s so we're gonna be golden in that aspect.

112s generally go for like $500+ on ebay and the 90s go for 100-200... With race porting and such low boost, the choice is obvious!!! We're not going to be able to go above like 8 PSI due to the injectors... I think 6 is about the most ill go, im going to start at 3..

If the engine has been well maintained, i dont see any reason it shouldnt last much longer... I think it might help in the area in that it wont need to reach higher RPM to produce the same acceleration... So instead of redlining it you may only need to go to 4000 RPM.. I think itd come close to breaking even... I think the VH45 can handle it, its a very tough engine especially on the bottom end.....

Thomas has said that intercooling is definitely ont worth the money on this setup, as a W/A setup would be perfect and very inexpensive... When it runs out, just pull over and put some more water in there!!!

I would NOT run this with a stock transmission... Youd want to get the $500 valve body mod from IPT and that would easily make it able to handle it.! The transmission is obviously the weak link in this setup, and it can be fortified just a little (no internal mods) to make it handle it.. A full rebuild is ideal, ubt if your transmission is shifting good, id just replace the valve body.

It has been started, the design is done and the manifold is being taken care of.

[PoorManQ45]

Wes: What all is going to be supplied with this "kit" that you're having made?

Will it come with differnt sized pulleys? Or do you have to get those yourself?