Q25

[midnightsliding]

here is my lil project i have going i havent worked on it since b4 christmas with me all ways being on the road and sh*t. some people will like it some will not but in the end who fu*king cares....

As of right now all that i have done to it is striped it down to nothing but chassie and mounted the RB into place, it has been moved back 3 inches also. i dont have alot of time to work on it so when i am home this is prtty much all i do b/c 1 im a looser 2. i live in a small ****y town with nothing to do.. maybe one day this slut will roll.heres the crew minus one taking the pic.(tyler) im the fatt kid in the ****ed up hoodie and green hat.

[Cathode]

and i was convinced putting a 5.6l vk in a q was a bad idea.

[Jesda]

You, sir, have piqued my interest.

[Raxephon]

Nice

Maybe you could do an extensive write-up with pics when you're finished?

[G50 Q]

Whoa... didn't you use to own a camo s13?

If so, You've met me before in Lynchburg...lol

I used to drive the rhd Soarer.

hahaha yea i just looked at your myspace link. BTW you're a bastard because I wanted to do exactly what you are doing. Guess i'll have to use a SR.

[Rex]

This will be very interesting once finished .

Would you care to share some "goals"?

What HP/TQ numbers are you looking to get from the RB?Is there a rear end swap in the works?What do you plan to use the car for (show, drift, auto-x, fun)?How tight is the footwell with a clutch pedal in there?

As for the VK56, I think there was (maybe too much) reality being thrown your way, as the costs, unless you got the motor for free, are MUCH higher than what this guy is doing. And as always, having the tools, space and skills will greatly effect the cost/effort.

[maxnix]

Beware of alien infiltrator in grey shirt in front.

Guess not much happening in WS?

Changing transmission also? Or reprogramming TCU?

[elwesso]

Id assume he'd use the RB25 MT...

So you have the engine actually physically mounted in the car as of now?

[midnightsliding]

yes the engine is mounted in the car. right now im jsut loking to make around 3oo RWHP jsut until iget used to the power step up. then after i get used to is im going to be shoting for 500HP, the car is being made on a budget and jsut for drift. but it will see some back roading action just b/c i love driving in the country. so far i only have 2,800$ into the car with chassie and engine. i have always like Q45's and always wanted to get a 4 door for drifting. G50 Q yeah that was me with the camo coupe. u should do an SR that was what i was wanting to do first but their is like a million SR'[s running around here and i figured that i could made the same amount of power out of the RB abd have a lil more tourqe and better responce . i dont know i have never really tuned so its a time to learn. this was one of the issues with bouilding this car is i wanted to do most of the work at my house with my friends. and not pay other ppl to do the work for me, the only thing i will sub out is the rollcage. hey G50 Q u should build one too and well start a 4 door drift crazy in amarice lol.

[Falkdesigns]

Damn dude, that's awesome! This will be fun to watch unfold.

[G50 Q]

yes the engine is mounted in the car. .

Lemme ask you why you boxxed in the wheel well area in the engine bay?

Also, did you modify the firewall to move the engine back further? (I'm assuming so lol)

And do you plan to have functioning heat, a/c, ps, cruise control <haha>

And e-brake, hydro conversion?

[midnightsliding]

yes the fire wall was cut and replaced. and i tubed the front out so one day when i hit BALLER status so i can run wide wheels with low off sets up front and have full use of counter sterr with out it rubbing. this is a big issue with s13's. i jsut went ahead an did it so when i paint the car i and jsut apint it with it now insted of coming back later and having to do it. im going to keep the heat. but everything else is gone. and for the ebreak its still in the air right now. i might jsut try to use my old S13 handbreak of somthing along those lines. and im keeping Power sterring also jsut b/c im a bit*h and i dont like driving with out it now. never had it on the S13 untill this last engine and now i love it lol. the only bad part of this project is im never home to work on it. here is a link below for those who might want to take a look at it insead of me psoting an assload of pics.Password is : nissanhttp://photobucket.com/albums/c339/ProjectQ/

also G50Q are u planing on drifitng your also? if so this will be great...

[G50 Q]

also G50Q are u planing on drifitng your also? if so this will be great...

ahaha not unless I actually do the swap, which has some potential right now. I assume you will run a standalone? Which are your going with? If you don't run standalone who is doing your wiring? I would really like to keep the nissan ecu, just for reliability and cold start issues, but I don't care too. hehe

Here's a pic of mine:

[CrimsonQ]

I always love people doing different things to cars. keep it up and itll for sure be a true 1 off Q:)

[midnightsliding]

im going to be going with power FC. and my friend beandon and I are doing the wiring for the car... man i jsut cramed my pants when i saw ur car lol. how waide are those wheels _X_-? size and off sets please.

[G50 Q]

how wide are those wheels _X_-? size and off sets please.

18x9 +13 18x10 +7

It'll take a little work to get the rears to fit, but they will and it is driveable, contrary to what people say on here.

[midnightsliding]

yeah it looks really good. A+ on wheel fitment. you shold go SR and will start a vip/drift/dori takeover... im inlove with ur car i might jsut repaint mine and leave stock bumpers for now i was goignto go with either memfab. or JP areo kits. but ur looks so well.

[G50 Q]

yeah it looks really good. A+ on wheel fitment. you shold go SR and will start a vip/drift/dori takeover... im inlove with ur car i might jsut repaint mine and leave stock bumpers for now i was goignto go with either memfab. or JP areo kits. but ur looks so well.

Thanks a lot man. We'll see about the SR, I'm at a weird point with this car simply because the previous owner hacked the chassis wiring up a bit. So, far I've managed to fix 99% of it. But it still bugs the crap out of me. The motor runs good, it's got the usual rough idle, but i've been thinking about just switching to the '94+ fuel rail and injectors because i don't feel like replacing injectors anymore...lol

What gauge cluster are you going to run? Stack? If you want to use the stock r33 gauge cluster i happen to have a r33 front clip at my shop in Richmond. You're welcome to pull the wiring for the cluster out of it. I may even be able to get you a cluster too..hehe

[midnightsliding]

yea the r33 gauge cluster would be great if u could pull that off for me jsut let me know how much. i wish i could aford stack that would brake my acount their liek 1200$ and i would rather put that into something else.

[louiegz]

OK, call me an idiot, but what is the advantage of taking out the 4.5 liter V8 to put in a 2.5 liter V6. It's not that I'm hating on your project. I'm just wondering on the pros for doing this. How much power are you going to wind up with. I guess you'll have the best mpg of any Q here. Hell, when I went to Ireland my first time, 5 years ago, I saw a BMW 730i.

[Rex]

OK, call me an idiot, but what is the advantage of taking out the 4.5 liter V8 to put in a 2.5 liter V6. It's not that I'm hating on your project. I'm just wondering on the pros for doing this. How much power are you going to wind up with. I guess you'll have the best mpg of any Q here. Hell, when I went to Ireland my first time, 5 years ago, I saw a BMW 730i.

I'm sure he'll offer some additional info, but he's removing a normally aspirated VH45DE and replacing it with a turbo charged RB25DET. Which will also allow for much more tuning options as the after market for the RB is both greater as well as more available, even though the VH came to the US and RB didn't.

I think in part he's doing it "just because". I think it's an interesting exercise in "what if".

[louiegz]

Oh! I get it now, and yes, it does sound like an interesting project. I also read that he's putting a manual transmision. That would be cool. Is there also a weight advantage with the smaller engine?
Modified by louiegz at 11:49 AM 1/18/2006

[Rex]

Oh! I get it now, and yes, it does sound like an interesting project. I also read that he's putting a manual transmision. That would be cool. Is there also a weight advantage with the smaller engine?

Modified by louiegz at 11:49 AM 1/18/2006

Probably negligible as the RB is a cast iron block, versus the VH's aluminum one. Maybe he's got some details on both motor=transmission combo weights?

[hannibal]

Wow, that is an awesome swap! A manual transmission, turbo powered Q is the ultimate combination.

[Rex]

midnightsliding at some point (maybe when you're further along) I'd like to link this over to the RB sub-forum on have you start a thread in there. I think this is a very interesting project that will create a good bit of excitement, especially outside of the Inf/Q45 sections of NICO>

[midnightsliding]

yes i have a thrad somewhere in the RB section of NICO. for power im not looking to make a sh*t load right now im shoting for around 300 RWHP. i have taken a carp of stuff of this car, i can weight it untill i get it running so i have no clue. im coming from a 120 RWHP N/A KA so the pwoer difference will be sometihng for me to get used to but in the end im looking to make around 500hp and 450 Ft pounds. the reason i chose the RB is b/c i wanted somthing different in the Q i love the VH. but as far as after market parts the RB is the way to go.i also wanted it to be reliable i know it all in the TUNE but i rad sopme things on the VH about cooling jackets not being able to handle high HP so i kinda shyed away form the VH fast b/c im going to be beting the sh*t out of this engine not just flooring it for 12sec. the car is goign to be set up for drift and the RB25 has a proven back ground in the drift seen. ALso with the RB i was albe to move it back 3 inches for better wight Distrubiton. and by the time i coverted the VH to manuel it would of been close to the same price as the RB. and inline 6 sounds badass, and their almost endless to how much u can tune them. maybe after i build this car and play with is i will build another and make it jsut for HP. but right now i just want to drive this car.

[elwesso]

to be honest im surprised this project got this far, im really excited to see it finished... now get out to that garage!!!

[G50 Q]

OK, call me an idiot, but what is the advantage of taking out the 4.5 liter V8 to put in a 2.5 liter V6. It's not that I'm hating on your project. I'm just wondering on the pros for doing this. How much power are you going to wind up with. I guess you'll have the best mpg of any Q here. Hell, when I went to Ireland my first time, 5 years ago, I saw a BMW 730i.

Well, think of it like this:

The stock Q45 motor makes roughly 260WHP stock from the factory. And with very little room to improve on, simply because 1)it's n/a 2)it's not popular what-so-ever as far as the aftermarket is concerned. So, there's really no potential to make much more power unless you spend a whole lot of money (like 15k +)

Now, the RB25 (which is an inline 6 btw not a v6) makes roughly 260WHP stock aswell (I know becuase my roomate just dyno'd his stock r33 which made 266whp) You get tons of room for improvement, plus the fact that it's a turbocharged motor, so there are endless possibilities of making 500ish WHP with out breaking the bank.

Bigger is not always better

[elwesso]

there IS a replacement for displacement, and that is boost!

[Cathode]

Hey I searched prices for the vx56. As expected the price is way lower for a pick up truck engine than a q45 engine. Looks like for 5k I can buy the powertrain. To me that is about the same price of having a built vh45 with performance transmission. If you drop on a super charger from stillen you get about 420 hp.

Back to the J30. Can you tweak the suspension to the 300zx suspension so you can use Z upgrades. I know work will be involved but I am wondering what parts the j30 have in common. I noticed that you had a problem with the q's shocks, and got to thinking about if i could us all z parts.

I am not trying to get all crazy it is just better to ask now before i get to spending money.