PSP Go

[bmike818]

Anybody following this new version of the PSP?http://news.cnet.com/8301-1793...ies.0

I knew UMD wouldn't go mainstream, Sony is infamous for dead formats (Beta) I am still surprised at how Blue Ray won the battle.

....plus Sony PS3 slim model rumorshttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1793...l;txt

[MinisterofDOOM]

Eurgh. So...now I'm not only restricted to the crappy collection of PSP titles, but restricted to the few of those that will released digitally? Yeah, that's about the most unappealing thing I can think of. No friggin' thanks.

And what about my back-library...the whole 4 PSP games I own that don't suck too much to play? Do I get digital copies of those to play on my UMD-less PSP?

Terrible idea! WTF are they thinking? I hope they lose billions. Holy crap I hate Sony.

And if they're going to try and go strictly digital with their games, they MUST, not need to, not should, MUST revamp the Playstation Store. It's so horrible. It's actually unpleasant to deal with to the point where it makes you not want to buy whatever game you were looking for anymore. It needs to be streamlined in a big way. Downloading full-size titles to the PSP sucks. Heck, even downloading demos is tedious and not worth the effort...and demos are FREE.

Oh, and LOL at the 5-minute artists' rendition photoshop. The shoulder buttons are still on top of the screen.

[bmike818]

I guess nobody is interested in the PSP Go! I don't know what Sony is thinking of these days.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm still trying to figure out why Sony thinks the UMD needs to go. The fact that it didn't work as a media format doesn't mean it's no longer viable as a handheld game format. Clearly it works well for that. I mean...they've committed themselves to the format for their games at this point. Backing out is stupid. See the PSP through to the end PROPERLY, then fix the mistake with the PSP2.

[bmike818]

Speaking of dead formats, remember the minidisk? I still have a portable player with matching tabletop recorder. So I guess I am familiar with dead formats. I believe they got rid of the UMD for the slimmer profile and battery life. I always knew that the UMD movies were a little gimicky. They were asking 19.99 for movies when they came out. now you see them everywhere for dirt cheap. I really wanted the PSP for Gran Turismo mobile...but that game is MIA

[ProudNissanFreak]

^ Supposedly Sony is re-announcing it tomorrow.

[Red coupe]

Speaking of dead formats, remember the minidisk? I still have a portable player with matching tabletop recorder. So I guess I am familiar with dead formats. I believe they got rid of the UMD for the slimmer profile and battery life. I always knew that the UMD movies were a little gimicky. They were asking 19.99 for movies when they came out. now you see them everywhere for dirt cheap. I really wanted the PSP for Gran Turismo mobile...but that game is MIA

Ehhh the difference is minidisks are only for media, UMD was stupid to buy movies on... Why buy movies you can ONLY watch on your hand held gaming device? But as MOD says its decent as a game storage device. It makes sense to buy a game that you can only play on a hand held on a medium you can only play on a hand held.

I play all my games off my memory stick though... I really can't imagine carrying around a bunch of UMDs.

Also agreed that there aren't too many good PSP games anyways. God Of war was ok, but too much button tapping. The only one I have really liked so far is manhunt 2.

I have heard rumors (and that screen shot shows) LBP is coming to PSP, that should be cool and work well on the system.

Oh, and my PSP already has Gran Turrismo (well, GT2...)

[flohtingPoint]

My PSP has been homebrew'ed for quite some time. I haven't got a new UMD in a couple years, so I've already been running a "Go", cept a larger, more clunky version.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Oh, and also, LOL at the PS3 slim. Same comment I have for the PSP:

You can repackage your hardware a hundred thousand different ways and it won't start making a difference until there's SOFTWARE I want to play on it.

There is no need for a PS3 slim. Instead of that, how about you save that R&D cash and knock some cost off the existing PS3? WTF? Sony is in a world of their own. Notice that there's no Gamecube slim, Wii slim, Xbox Slim...only Sony feels the irresistible urge to release the same unwanted hardware in a thousand different successively smaller formats. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is big or small, I still don't one.

[Red coupe]

Oh, and also, LOL at the PS3 slim. Same comment I have for the PSP:

You can repackage your hardware a hundred thousand different ways and it won't start making a difference until there's SOFTWARE I want to play on it.

There is no need for a PS3 slim. Instead of that, how about you save that R&D cash and knock some cost off the existing PS3? WTF? Sony is in a world of their own. Notice that there's no Gamecube slim, Wii slim, Xbox Slim...only Sony feels the irresistible urge to release the same unwanted hardware in a thousand different successively smaller formats. Doesn't matter if the PS3 is big or small, I still don't one.

There are loads of games for PS3, just not a ton of great exclusives. PS3 still kicks a**.

[s13jus10]

Instead of that, how about you save that R&D cash and knock some cost off the existing PS3? WTF?

sheesh.. someone been sippin' the Haterade lol

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/992/992729p1.html

I think the PSP Go looks very intriguing as it stands. Half the size, half the weight, 16gb hard drive, WiFi.. plus, it looks freakin' cool.

Sony's already stated that the current PSP3000 and PSP Go will live on store shelves in harmony. The Go will not be replacing the current PSP, it will just simply be another option for consumers. They are not "backing out" or "giving up" on anything, just making more options for us.. which is why I really don't see how this could make you hate a company. it's not like they took money out of your pocket and used it to fund this product, nor are they making you buy this product. you can still use your PSP3000, and you can still buy UMD games, if you wish.

I think the DSi is completely unnecessary and overpriced, especially if you've already got a DSLite, which I do. but that doesn't make me hate Nintendo for releasing it. they never stole money from me, and they're not making me drop $180 on the DSi.. so who cares? no harm done.

I personally will be picking one up (PSP Go) when it releases this Fall. it was apparent during E3 that Sony is really turning their focus towards the PSP and expanding it's library (LBP portable & GT portable ftw), and that's definitely a good sign. It'll be a great compliment for my PS3, as I can simply download all PSP games/demos/videos on my PS3 and simply "Remote Play" them over to my PSP wirelessly & effortlessly. it'll also be a LOT easier to carry around than my current PSP... and like I said, it looks waaay cooler

There are loads of games for PS3, just not a ton of great exclusives. PS3 still kicks a**.

there are plenty of great PS3 exclusives, but this year will add some huuuuuuge titles to that list
Modified by s13jus10 at 12:04 AM 6/9/2009

[MinisterofDOOM]

The DSi is going exactly the opposite direction from the PSP Go. Hardly comparable. It still has the game cart slot. And it also has improved buttons, a sturdier case, bigger screens with better backlights, and an online store in addition to the hardware came carts. If the DSi had gotten rid of the game cart slot, I'd have made a similar spiteful post directed at it as well.

And yeah, I'm sipping the haterade. Sony sends it to me in bulk and force-feeds it to me, like they do for all their customers they hate and don't trust. I used to be a Sony guy. I got sick of Sony's paranoiac fear of piracy and the fanatical mistrust in their customers it led to. I despise the company. But that has no bearing on my view of their products. What drives my hatred for the PSP Go is the stupidity behind the idea. What's next, a PS3 less the BluRay drive?

I don't have a PSP3000. I have a launch-day PSP1000 which I don't ever touch despite it being hacked.

[s13jus10]

I never aimed to compare the features of the DSi, DSLite and/or PSP Go directly. all I said was Nintendo released something that I have NO intention of buying (because it is unnecessarily overpriced), and yet I still manage to go on living my life with no hatred towards the company.

I got sick of Sony's paranoiac fear of piracy and the fanatical mistrust in their customers it led to.

does the new DSi no longer support homebrew cartridges like R4 & DSTT? is the Wii region coded and can not play burned/foreign games? are the PSP & PS3 both region free?

yes, yes, and yes.

[MinisterofDOOM]

There are homebrew cartridges for the DSi, they are just different than the ones for the DS since the firmware is entirely different.

Hacking the Wii is no more difficult than hacking a PSP.

Sony's piracy paranoia goes way beyond homebrew countermeasures. Have you used the Playstation store? What a joke. You have to download a PC application to authorize your PSP just to use the software you've legally obtained and paid for. Why can't the PSP authorize itself? Why does it need to be authorized at all? DSi store doesn't require some external authorization software or any authorization at all. Nor does the Wii shop.Plus the store itself, both via PC browser and the integrated PSP store, is supremely clunky and awkward and slow and doesn't even work right half the time. I can't imagine having to depend on it for every game purchase on the Go.

All of that's irrelevant anyway. My point is that removing the physical media drive from a console whose library is already established on physical media is stupid.

[OldmanPurdy]

Is there a method of transfering games that you already own on UMD to the psp go? I never saw that addressed in their press conference and it seems like a big deal if they want people to upgrade.

[MinisterofDOOM]

That's what I'm wondering as well. Assuming they can make the store work more cleanly and start having ALL future releases available on the store, the last big obstacle is existing UMD titles. I'm certainly not going to "upgrade" if I can't play the games I already own. Smaller profile doesn't help if I have to keep BOTH PSPs on me in order to play all my games.

[hitbychance]

psp was fine the way it was, so easy to flash and play emulators and pirated games

[OldmanPurdy]

That's what I'm wondering as well. Assuming they can make the store work more cleanly and start having ALL future releases available on the store, the last big obstacle is existing UMD titles. I'm certainly not going to "upgrade" if I can't play the games I already own. Smaller profile doesn't help if I have to keep BOTH PSPs on me in order to play all my games.

UMD drive addon?? ............hmmm I probably shouldn't laugh because that is seriously the only option i can think of that would allow people to play their existing collection.

[Red coupe]

That's what I'm wondering as well. Assuming they can make the store work more cleanly and start having ALL future releases available on the store, the last big obstacle is existing UMD titles. I'm certainly not going to "upgrade" if I can't play the games I already own. Smaller profile doesn't help if I have to keep BOTH PSPs on me in order to play all my games.

Honestly, it turns out that not all products are designed and built for you.

There is a market of people out there who already use the online store for all there games, and on top of that PSPs are still selling... and not just to people who are buying second or third PSPs. People who already own PSPs already own PSPs, here is a new product for those who don't. It doesn't effect you in anyway, quit your b****ing.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Honestly, it turns out that not all products are designed and built for you.People who already own PSPs already own PSPs, here is a new product for those who don't. It doesn't effect you in anyway, quit your b****ing.

Really, my opinion isn't always based on what I want. It's usually based on what makes sense.

And again...what does it matter if the two PSPs coexist? The point is a PS3 without blu-ray is stupid, an xbox without DVD is stupid, a Wii without DVD is stupid, and a PSP without UMD is stupid.

[Red coupe]

Why? I don't use a single UMD with my PSP. Granted thats because I play "backups", but I would much rather play downloaded copies on my portable even if I was paying for them.

Its a Playstation PORTABLE, what is more portable then not having to carry around all your games on little discs? If anything only having downloadable games for a hand held makes MORE sense, and I think the success of steam has shown it to be a viable option.PSN store works perfectly and is entirely painless on PS3, and If they add a computer version I see no drawback.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm not saying it's a bad idea at the core. I'm saying it won't work as-is. The download service isn't good enough, they haven't mentioned a way to get digital copies of your UMDs (and they probably won't, because they don't trust anyone), and I'll be very very surprised and eat my hat if their promises of nearly all future releases becoming available digitally become reality. It's a good IDEA that isn't going to work. Plus who wants to sit around waiting for a new game to download for an hour? PSP downloads take AGES.

[Red coupe]

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Plus who wants to sit around waiting for a new game to download for an hour?

Almost all of these people.

Honestly, it takes about an hour for me to go buy a game when you include lines, flagging down a sale person to grab me a copy, to and from car & travel time. So I can go drive through traffic and deal with walmart employees, or I can download a game while I sleep.

BTW, the PSP forum I download games from has over 1 million members. All of them are willing to wait an hour to download a game too.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Those are all 3 very different situations, though. Downloading games from steam for a PC and downloading games for the PSP aren't really comparable. Downloads effectively tether the PSP. I'm not even sure what happens if you interrupt a playstation store download but I'd bet you have to start all over again. Do you have to pay again? Even if you don't it's a pain. If it resumes where you left off it's not so bad, but certainly not as ideal as popping in a UMD and getting on your way. Until the PSP has real wireless (not wifi) downloads aren't enabling it's portability anymore than UMDs...they both just have different weaknesses.

Also, Steam works REALLY WELL, versus the PS store which sucks really well. Downloading from Steam requires a few clicks. Downloading from the PS store for the PSP is a nightmare that rarely works right the first time and is overly clunky even if it does.

And the PSP download site isn't comparable either. Yeah it's worth the wait to get the game for free. For games you've paid for, it's a different story entirely.

[Red coupe]

Those are all 3 very different situations, though. Downloading games from steam for a PC and downloading games for the PSP aren't really comparable. Downloads effectively tether the PSP. I'm not even sure what happens if you interrupt a playstation store download but I'd bet you have to start all over again. Do you have to pay again? Even if you don't it's a pain. If it resumes where you left off it's not so bad, but certainly not as ideal as popping in a UMD and getting on your way. Until the PSP has real wireless (not wifi) downloads aren't enabling it's portability anymore than UMDs...they both just have different weaknesses.

Also, Steam works REALLY WELL, versus the PS store which sucks really well. Downloading from Steam requires a few clicks. Downloading from the PS store for the PSP is a nightmare that rarely works right the first time and is overly clunky even if it does.

And the PSP download site isn't comparable either. Yeah it's worth the wait to get the game for free. For games you've paid for, it's a different story entirely.

Again, PSN store is not even close to difficult or clunky on PS3. Wireless internet on the PSP? Why pay a monthly service charge, like you said its not like you can instantly download...But the device has a 16gb hard drive, so download your games at home and have them with you on the go. How often are you playing more then 8 games at once?

PSN store can pause, resume and download in the backround. You can go play a game and come back and pick up where you left off. You can also access PSP downloads from the store from computer and transfer them to your PSP that way.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Doesn't matter if the PSN store cures AIDS on the PS3. This is about the PSP, and the integration sucks. If Sony finds their brains and fixes it, that's one less obstacle. But every time I've ever used the PS store on the PSP, the experience has been hugely unpleasant. And the fact that I have to manage my account via PC is irritating. It needs to be FULLY integrated with the PSP. Right now you have to bounce back and forth between the two. No point in even having it on the PSP if it's still PC-dependent.

Oh, and having saved games doanloaded and backed up to swap out as you please isn't even that simple since official legit downloaded games can only be transferred to your PSP via USB by sony's special program. You can't just have the eboot file and swap it onto the memstick. You have to jump through copy-protection hoops there, too, and they make it a huge PITA.

[Red coupe]

You b**** more then a 12 year old with an ear infection.

You can do all the PSN store crap on the PSP, but you complain that downloads on the PSP are a PITA and its too hard to navigate the store that way.

So you can also do it on computer... and you complain that you don't want to do it on computer you should be able to do it from the PSP



Of course you can't just drag and drop games, the games have to be registered to an account... What game company has ever offered games for download in a format where you can so easily re-upload it/send it to anyone/copy it to any handheld. Who would ever buy a game again if sony just let people download/copy/install eboots on their own?

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm not whining. I'm supporting my argument that it's a stupid idea. There are TONS of problems keeping it from working right. I make a statement, you rebut, I return a new argument...it's called a discussion. I think the PSN store sucks and wouldn't tolerate buying all my games through it.

Compared to the DSi shop (which has crap selection but works nicely) or steam or XBL or the Wii shop it is utter garbage. Why can't sony just make it work WELL like everyone else has with their version of the online store? They don't get special dispensation to suck and not get called on it.

[Red coupe]

I'm not whining. I'm supporting my argument that it's a stupid idea. There are TONS of problems keeping it from working right. I make a statement, you rebut, I return a new argument...it's called a discussion. I think the PSN store sucks and wouldn't tolerate buying all my games through it.

Compared to the DSi shop (which has crap selection but works nicely) or steam or XBL or the Wii shop it is utter garbage. Why can't sony just make it work WELL like everyone else has with their version of the online store? They don't get special dispensation to suck and not get called on it.

I think its fine and use it often... What specifically is so bad about it?

And how are you going to complain about having to plug a device in to a computer to transfer files to it? Its worked flawlessly for the iPod.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I don't have a problem with having to use USB to transfer files. It's just the goofy authorization system Sony uses that bothers me. Having to download a program to authorize the PSP seems clunky.

Actually, I just hauled out my PSP (had to remember where I put it ages ago) and started up the PSN store. It's much faster now. That was one of my complaints with it last time I used it (to buy some PSone classics). Every page loaded so slowly. With that fixed, it's much more tolerable.

I guess Sony is on the way to improving it. Game selection is MUCH better now than it was last time I checked the store.

I bought/downloaded a few items from the store back when it was newly implemented and it never worked right...the store would lock up and loose connectivity and I'd have to start over, or it wouldn't like the info I was inputting, etc. Those issues appear to be fixed now. So I retract my clunkiness/crappiness comments...I was behind the times.

I notice there's a "UMD legacy" category now, too. Maybe that means Sony really is preparing to allow download access to people's purchased UMD libraries.

One thing the PSP really needs is a better text input system. The toggleable 9key input system that comes with the CFW is SO MUCH better and faster than the whack-at-the-key-9-times default 9-key setup.

Also, one of the reasons the PSN store has been a pain for me is the REQUIREMENT to use USB transfers. My PSP's USB capability is broken and doesn't always work. It'd be nice if I could just stick the memstick in the reader and install the games that way so I don't have to fight with my PSP.