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arright, here we go.. ::cracks knuckles::
MinisterofDOOM wrote:Killzone sucked. Because it was a crappy game. I didn't say I don't like scifi shooters. I said Killzone sucked. And it did.
Nobobdy said anything about Killzone (1). I'm talking about Killzone 2, a FPS PS3 exclusive that in it's current state looks like it is going to blow all other FPS's out of the water. The sheer environmental destructibility in that game makes the Frostbite Engine (ie BF:BC) look like child's play. Just because Killzone 1 sucked doesn't mean Killzone 2 HAS to ride down the same road. Call of Duty 3 sucked, does that mean CoD4 has to suck too?
MinisterofDOOM wrote:No, I don't like comic book games. They're usually cash-grabs and poorly made. Plus they're generally just no fun. Superheroes (with a few key exceptions) are lame.
Tell me that an MMO that allows you to choose to fight alongside either the Justice League or Legion of Doom, create your own superhero (looks, powers, suit, etc), level up according to crimes that you solve/commit, and fight against the opposing side of justice ALL ONLINE (MMO) sounds "lame", and I'd be convinced that you were deprived of Saturday morning cartoons as a child.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:No, I don't not like fighters. I FARKING HATE fighters. Worst game genre ever
That's your opinion. just like my opinion that RTS's are the worst game genre ever.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:No, I generally don't like online gameplay. I don't like it because no one knows how to have fun anymore. You're either enduring children acting like morons, adults acting like morons, or people getting mad at you because you're not playing the way they want you to. Screw that. I can enjoy games on my own and actually RELAX, which is the whole point of games.
See, here is another point for the PS3 that doesn't show up on stat sheets: PSN is generally a VERY mature environment, versus XBL's hostile, immature environment. the xbox360 has become VERY popular among kids/teenagers. what results is these children (that act like morons) telling their mommies and daddies "I WANT AN XBOX360 FOR MY BIRTHDAY!!! I WANT TO PLAY Z0MG HALO 33333333333333!!!", which is the reason why XBL is completely flooded with stupid, annoying little kids (same reason why Halo 3 is flooded with children; it's popularity among the general consumer). PS3 is a different story. what do think would happen if that same kid asked for a more expensive, seemingly more "high-tech" a device; the PS3? Parents usually say, "PS3? what's blu-ray?? no, that's too expensive hunny.. let's set you up with a cheaper xbox360 & XBL account to play HALO 333333!"

bottom line is that the PSN environtment is nowhere NEAR as hostile or immature as the general XBL community. believe me.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:Where on earth did moddability even come up? CONSOLE gamers have no business discussing mods. I'm a PC gamer. I've got the win there. Choose a different battle.

I like shooters that I can use a keyboard and mouse with. Like I said, I'm a PC gamer. I'm terrible with a gamepad when it comes to shooters. So console shooters are sometimes not much fun. Of course, if MS and Sony weren't morons and offered keyboard and mouse control support on their consoles WITH USB PORTS, that wouldn't be an issue for me.
what you've said here really shows how much you know about the PS3, or CHOOSE to know about the PS3. I'm gonna go ahead and knock these two statements out with one stone: UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 for the PS3. UT3 for the PS3 DOES have moddability, xbox360 version does NOT. for pete's sake, I've seen Master Chief running around blasting people on UT3 online on the PSN. and you want keyboard/mouse support with USB ports? hmmm..... PLAYSTATION 3's GOT IT. not to mention Bluetooth capability, so you're not limited to ONLY USB, if you want to run a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse on your PS3, by all means you've got that option (exactly what I'm using to type this). want to play UT3 with keyboard/mouse guys and no controller guys or vice versa? you've got the option to filter it out. so my question is, have you ever played a fastpaced FPS using a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse setup on a 56" 1080p LCD? I have. and let me tell you, it's AWESOME. now keyboard/mouse isn't supported by ALL games, just UT3. but you can bet your life that more and more games will be supporting this feature as time comes. as stated before, it's the future of gaming.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:None of that has anything at all to do with MS being first to the market this round. It's just bad design. Would have happened if MS had been a year LATER than the PS3, too. And you're exactly right, and prove my point: MS DOESN'T care to fix it. THAT'S why it's a problem. Not because it was first to market. You'd think after 3 (or is it 4) redesigns, the problem would be gone if it was just a matter of rushed development, wouldn't you?
no... my point was that Microsoft is choosing not to fix the problems because they know that idiot consumers like us are still continuing to buy these defective systems.. AND DEFEND THEM AS IF THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS. I was saying that we as consumers should do something about it, take a stand, and NOT buy these defective systems so that MS would be FORCED to truly redesign the box so that it functions the way it should. the 3 or 4 "redesigns" that you mentioned were just another example of why Microsoft & it's 360 baby are bull****. their idea of a "redesign" is slapping a Halo 3 logo on the old, defective systems and calling it a "New Model", knowing that we stupid consumers are still going to buy it. they'll take the old model hardware, throw on a bigger HDD, paint it black, call it "ELITE" and make it $100 more, and we stupid consumers will buy it.
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s13jus10 wrote:Nobobdy said anything about Killzone (1). I'm talking about Killzone 2, a FPS PS3 exclusive that in it's current state looks like it is going to blow all other FPS's out of the water. The sheer environmental destructibility in that game makes the Frostbite Engine (ie BF:BC) look like child's play. Just because Killzone 1 sucked doesn't mean Killzone 2 HAS to ride down the same road. Call of Duty 3 sucked, does that mean CoD4 has to suck too?

Tell me that an MMO that allows you to choose to fight alongside either the Justice League or Legion of Doom, create your own superhero (looks, powers, suit, etc), level up according to crimes that you solve/commit, and fight against the opposing side of justice ALL ONLINE (MMO) sounds "lame", and I'd be convinced that you were deprived of Saturday morning cartoons as a child.
usually video games follow each other. if killzone 2 is able to get out of the first ones fail shadow, then you win, but IMO i doubt it, especially if its going to be following the same storyline. Comic book games? tell me which one of them that you've played actually made you happy that you played it? for me, NONE. But like all games, i'll give them a chance if they can sell it to me in a commercial( ooh shiny ), but if it looks the same well then they're SOL. That comic book game actually sounds alot like fable...
s13jus10 wrote:See, here is another point for the PS3 that doesn't show up on stat sheets: PSN is generally a VERY mature environment, versus XBL's hostile, immature environment. the xbox360 has become VERY popular among kids/teenagers. what results is these children (that act like morons) telling their mommies and daddies "I WANT AN XBOX360 FOR MY BIRTHDAY!!! I WANT TO PLAY Z0MG HALO 33333333333333!!!", which is the reason why XBL is completely flooded with stupid, annoying little kids (same reason why Halo 3 is flooded with children; it's popularity among the general consumer). PS3 is a different story. what do think would happen if that same kid asked for a more expensive, seemingly more "high-tech" a device; the PS3? Parents usually say, "PS3? what's blu-ray?? no, that's too expensive hunny.. let's set you up with a cheaper xbox360 & XBL account to play HALO 333333!"

bottom line is that the PSN environtment is nowhere NEAR as hostile or immature as the general XBL community. believe me.
WRONG, its the going to be the same when it gets to the same internet population like the rest of them. ITS THE INTERNET. COD4 has the same amount of douchebags as halo3, i've played both(COD4 for about 2 weeks and wanted to turn the SOB in cause i wasted my money for it). I'm pretty sure i encountered massive amounts of douchebags when i've played other internet games too such as SC and half life so this statement you've made is irrelevent

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s13jus10 wrote:Nobobdy said anything about Killzone (1). I'm talking about Killzone 2, a FPS PS3 exclusive that in it's current state looks like it is going to blow all other FPS's out of the water. The sheer environmental destructibility in that game makes the Frostbite Engine (ie BF:BC) look like child's play. Just because Killzone 1 sucked doesn't mean Killzone 2 HAS to ride down the same road. Call of Duty 3 sucked, does that mean CoD4 has to suck too?
Your point is good, but slightly misled. COD3 and COD4 are horrible examples because they might as well not have the same title. Different settings, different developers.My point about Killzone was only made because Killzone was ALSO touted as the new revolutionary FPS. It was supposed to blow Halo away (as if that's some sort of achievement... ) and it sucked BAD. So the new one is following the same path. It's being lauded as awesome. We'll see. Killzone 1 LOOKED good from the glimpses seen before release, too. But it definitely wasn't.
s13jus10 wrote:Tell me that an MMO that allows you to choose to fight alongside either the Justice League or Legion of Doom, create your own superhero (looks, powers, suit, etc), level up according to crimes that you solve/commit, and fight against the opposing side of justice ALL ONLINE (MMO) sounds "lame", and I'd be convinced that you were deprived of Saturday morning cartoons as a child.
Doesn't sound remotely fun. Here's why:1: It's an MMO. Yuck.2: The Justice League are a bunch of peacenick pansies. I watched plenty of cartoons, just not on saturday mornings. If someone made an Angry Beavers superhero game I'd be interested. Comic book superheroes are lame. They live in these stupid little black-and-white morals worlds that are about as exciting as taking a dump, and they wear tights. I don't get the appeal.
s13jus10 wrote:what you've said here really shows how much you know about the PS3, or CHOOSE to know about the PS3. I'm gonna go ahead and knock these two statements out with one stone: UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 for the PS3. UT3 for the PS3 DOES have moddability, xbox360 version does NOT. for pete's sake, I've seen Master Chief running around blasting people on UT3 online on the PSN. and you want keyboard/mouse support with USB ports? hmmm..... PLAYSTATION 3's GOT IT. not to mention Bluetooth capability, so you're not limited to ONLY USB, if you want to run a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse on your PS3, by all means you've got that option (exactly what I'm using to type this). want to play UT3 with keyboard/mouse guys and no controller guys or vice versa? you've got the option to filter it out. so my question is, have you ever played a fastpaced FPS using a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse setup on a 56" 1080p LCD? I have. and let me tell you, it's AWESOME. now keyboard/mouse isn't supported by ALL games, just UT3. but you can bet your life that more and more games will be supporting this feature as time comes. as stated before, it's the future of gaming.
Can you actually use the keyboard and mouse to play the game? Or is it just for menu navigation and text input like the 360 and Wii? If you can actually use them as controllers, I'll give Sony their due credit for doing that one right. Otherwise, it's pointless.I'll have to look into HOW PS3 games are moddable before I'm impressed by that. Are they copying over hacks from their PC, or doing it on the console? If any PCs are involved at all, it's nothing special. I could hack my xbox to work with modded files from my PC, too...although there's the big downside of not being able to use XBL.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:If someone made an Angry Beavers superhero game I'd be interested.
FTMFW!!!! angry beavers was amazing

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ishkabibble wrote:ROFL at the PS3 fanboy trolling going on in this thread.
Hey you cant make a thread titled PSN WHO? and not take it as flame bait...

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:That old OLD argument has LONG been proven crap.Microsoft did not hastily jump in. They just jumped in first. Tell me what they wer hasty about? Tell me where that cost them?And The PS3 has been out for a year and a half now. BY FAR long enough to have "caught up with" the 360.
http://gizmodo.com/5015483/mic...pness

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hatchback240 wrote:80 gig ps3's are the same price as a crapbox360 now, and you even get a bluray player included!
Ennnnnnnnnnnn! Wrong 360 price drop FTMFW. Sony can't come as low as the 360's current price and profit. Oh and GoW3 would mean Gears of War. God of War sucks.
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Hey you cant make a thread titled PSN WHO? and not take it as flame bait...
What is there to argue about? PSN is absolute garbage in comparison to Xbox Live. Why people are bringing retarded PS3 titles that no one cares about into this thread confuses me. This thread is about the online features of the platforms compared... as unfair as a comparison as it may be. Sony showcased PS2 games at their press conference for Christ's sake. What a bore.

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God of War is a LOT of fun.

Plus, Steel Battalion's "GoW" (Goddess of War) came before either of them.

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God of War was amazing. havent had the chance to play two yet, but i hear its even better. seriously tho, whats not to like in god of war? i think youre the first person i know to say otherwise

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redtop91 wrote:What is there to argue about? PSN is absolute garbage in comparison to Xbox Live. Why people are bringing retarded PS3 titles that no one cares about into this thread confuses me. This thread is about the online features of the platforms compared... as unfair as a comparison as it may be. Sony showcased PS2 games at their press conference for Christ's sake. What a bore.
Wow, paid service is better than non-paid service, news at 11...

People like PSN because its free and the difference between xbox live and psn is becoming smaller and smaller.next your going to tell me your not a fan boy

And the fact that you call it utter garbage is hilarious, i'd like to live in your black and white world.

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R240sx wrote:
Wow, paid service is better than non-paid service, news at 11...

People like PSN because its free and the difference between xbox live and psn is becoming smaller and smaller.
All I heard there was you confirming that PSN doesn't hold a candle to XBL. Never will either. I'm not going to sugarcoat the fact that PSN was a horrible attempt to usurp Xbox Live from it's dominance. This isn't first grade. I won't give compliments to something that deserves none.
hatchback240 wrote: God of War was amazing. havent had the chance to play two yet, but i hear its even better. seriously tho, whats not to like in god of war? i think youre the first person i know to say otherwise
Blasé storyline, Blasé action, Blasé graphics, just a mass mound of Blasé. The fact that people are drooling over a 15 second CG clip is just retarded.

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redtop91 wrote:All I heard there was you confirming that PSN doesn't hold a candle to XBL. Never will either. I'm not going to sugarcoat the fact that PSN was a horrible attempt to usurp Xbox Live from it's dominance. This isn't first grade. I won't give compliments to something that deserves none.
I dont know, once Home comes out we'll see if "avatars" can hold a candle, with microsofts sloppy "MII TOO" attitude there bound to screw it up.

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hatchback240 wrote: God of War was amazing. havent had the chance to play two yet, but i hear its even better. seriously tho, whats not to like in god of war? i think youre the first person i know to say otherwise
Its not on xbox.

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R240sx wrote:
I dont know, once Home comes out we'll see if "avatars" can hold a candle, with microsofts sloppy "MII TOO" attitude there bound to screw it up.
It's funny how everything that PS3 people tout is preceded by "once" "once this comes out" "Once that comes out" It's really comical. Oh and it's "their" not "there."

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redtop91 wrote:Ennnnnnnnnnnn! Wrong 360 price drop FTMFW. Sony can't come as low as the 360's current price and profit.
Should be interesting, XBOX is already priced pretty closely to the wii and yet the PS3 has been outselling it almost consistantly this year.

Oh and that price drop isnt permanant

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redtop91 wrote: Oh and it's "their" not "there."
still wrong, pretty sure he meant they're :P

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hatchback240 wrote:still wrong, pretty sure he meant they're :P
lol man what a joke.

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just figured if we were pointing out grammar mistakes they should atleast be pointed in the right direction. lol, good call on the "not on xbox" joke

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hatchback240 wrote:
still wrong, pretty sure he meant they're :P
See? The slow people rub off on everyone else.
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Oh and that price drop isnt permanant
Maybe but it's plenty enough to add yet another reason to own a 360 over a PS3 besides it being a better console and having a better line up now. Not planning to have one over the course of ten years.

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R240sx wrote:
http://gizmodo.com/5015483/mic...pness

any more questions?
Yeah I've got one. Are you equally critical of Sony's massive failure rates on early PS1s and PS2s? I guess both of those were rushed to market, too?

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R240sx wrote:I dont know, once Home comes out we'll see if "avatars" can hold a candle, with microsofts sloppy "MII TOO" attitude there bound to screw it up.
I just read that avatars can be turned off. Thank god.

I don't really see what the big deal about Home is (if it ever comes out). I'd rather have a slick, plain UI, honestly.

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ishkabibble wrote:
Yeah I've got one. Are you equally critical of Sony's massive failure rates on early PS1s and PS2s? I guess both of those were rushed to market, too?
ps1/2 failures were mainly associated with d.r.e., which meant the laser was faulty, however it still wasnt as widespread as the r.r.o.d. also the 360 had alot of isssues with the disc drive scratching up cd's.

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R240sx wrote:however it still wasnt as widespread as the r.r.o.d.
It was pretty widespread. Not too many 1st generation PS1s and PS2s floating around.

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See? The slow people rub off on everyone else.
All i heard there was you admitting you were slow.


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ishkabibble wrote:
It was pretty widespread. Not too many 1st generation PS1s and PS2s floating around.
Yea but not to the point of having a class action law suit launched against them like microsoft.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07...filed/

thats just a lawsuit in regards to the disc scratching.

microsoft extended there warranty to avoid a full on recall.

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ps1/2 failures were mainly associated with d.r.e., which meant the laser was faulty, however it still wasnt as widespread as the r.r.o.d. also the 360 had alot of isssues with the disc drive scratching up cd's.
my understanding to that is people dropped their 360's while it was on and there was a disc inside or moved it from one stand point to another, i.e. horizontal to vertical and vice versa.

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my friend would shoot himself if he ever dropped his halo 360, and he never moves it while its running. he babys that thing almost as much as i do my ps3, lol. point of me saying that is that his 360 still managed to gouge GH3 to the point where it refuses to read it.

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oh yeah well...well...you're just a fanboy who loves himself a PS3

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my understanding to that is people dropped their 360's while it was on and there was a disc inside or moved it from one stand point to another, i.e. horizontal to vertical and vice versa.
Might have helped accelerate things, but there was a particular drive that was simply poorly built. That's what killed my 360. It had started making a lot of noise and eventually just stopped working. Culprit turned out to be the CD drive: the disc retainer (little guy that drops onto the disc to hold it) comes apart and stops the drive from being able to read. There was nothing I did out of the ordinary to cause it (I'd admit it if there was as it's already been replaced ). All I did before it happened was eject a DVD that was still playing, which shouldn't harm the drive as the 360 is smart and under normal circumstances simply remembers your spot and then stops play and hands over the disc.

As far as the disc scratching thing, I've owned multiple PS2s AND 360s and oriented them in both ways and never had discs scratched by any of them.My guess, upon seeing how most other people treat discs, is that people are either looking for someone else to blame, or simply too clueless to realize they're really the cause. It might be a real issue, but I've never known anyone nor had personal experience with anyone who has had it happen to them, so I have a hard time believing so. And pretty much everyone I know has had or still owns a PS2 and/or 360. Damage by drives does tend to result in very unique circumfrencial scratching, though, so that'd be an easy way to prove me wrong.

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Disc scratching on the 360 is ALWAYS, ALWAYS and for the reading impaired, ALWAYS caused by changing the system's alignment while a disc is playing.


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