PS3 Vs. XBOX 360

[Poyzinous]

Need for speed shift: which is quite awesome with my surround sound, and Madden 10 which I'm Still trying to get used to. I like the 08 more when I could choose my own button config. Whatever. I'm waiting patiently for another splinter cell game, I loved those. and I'm not sure what else to get. $60 is crazy to me. I've never paid more than 35 for any game ever.

[bmike818]

$60 is crazy, most games always go on sale two weeks after they are released. I only pay full price when they have limited/collectors edition, because i am a sucker. If you need a gold account, they have a 12month subscription plus PGR4 with a chatpad for like 69.99 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...94069

not a bad deal considering what you get.

I am interested to see the sales figures this holiday season for both the 360 and PS3.

[BusyBadger]

I am so tired of the "XBL should be free" complaint.

Xbox is only $50 a year, that's only $4.16 per month.

Bingo! Break it down to cost per month (or even per week or day) and its really not much money at all. Skip a trip to Starbucks and its paid for the month. Even if no content was added there would still be support staff to be compensated.

But they do add content, it just might not be content everyone is interested in, but its still there. OXM articles, Major Nelson's Minute, other promo pieces, dashboard themes, gamer pics. Does anyone out there think that MS doesn't track the downloads? I guarantee that someone is downloading them or MS wouldn't go to the trouble of putting them out there, they'd be exploring other options that people would rather have. And those bits don't put themselves up there on their own, so you have to pay someone to do it. One other word...

Demos. All those demos that you'd normally have to buy an issue of OXM to get are available instantly and well before OXM ever hits the magazine rack . If downloading and playing a demo prevents someone from purchasing one bad title then an XBL subscription has paid for itself.

People that don't want to pay the $50 can always go with XBConnect and its limited supported list of 360 games or the pretty extensive list (including the original Halo) of original Xbox games.

I am interested to see the sales figures this holiday season for both the 360 and PS3.

Does Sony have any exclusives for the Holiday/Q4 season? I'm sure that sales will suffer a bit due to the GT5 delay announcement.

Alpha Protocol and Assassin's Creed are multi-platform, but the 360 has Borderlands, Forza3 and something else I'm probably forgetting.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Most of those excuses are just justifying one failing with another.

I don't wait for OXM for demos. I fire up firefox and download them for free. I can also find videos and "gamerpics" free with by browser, too. Steam has that crap. Free. No paying for a picture of a nod flame tank. That's free. Major's Minute? I can find a thousand videos along those lines, free. No cost. No money. Free. Strategy videos? Free. Sneak peaks? Free.

Plus, the dashboard SWARMS with ads. You can't tell me MS didn't make enough money to fund Major's Minute videos until the end of time from those Ford promos.

At the end of the day, regardless of justifications, excuses, or arguments, the fact is that EVERYTHING you can do with XBL can be done better for free on a PC. And that makes it really hard to accept paying any money for XBL. I DO pay for it. But I would prefer not to. And not because I'm cheap...but because it consists entirely (and only) of things I have come to expect for free.

[BusyBadger]

the fact is that EVERYTHING you can do with XBL can be done better for free on a PC.

Everything? Does that include firing up a pc and playing Assassin's Creed 2 on November 17th?

And a console to pc comparison (even though its an oblique one)? Really? I've heard of a similar comparison, apples and oranges.

So, why do you game on a console, and especially on a 360? Assassin's Creed and Borderlands, two games you've expressed interest in are available on the pc and even though AC2 is delayed until 2010 on the pc its still releasing on 11/17 for the PS3. I must be missing something.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Everything? Does that include firing up a pc and playing Assassin's Creed 2 on November 17th?

And a console to pc comparison (even though its an oblique one)? Really? I've heard of a similar comparison, apples and oranges.

Assassin's Creed 2 is a GAME. Not XBL. THAT is apples to oranges.

But the console to PC comparison (if you can call it that) is NOT apples to oranges. I'm not talking about hardware, or games, or computing power, or any of that stuff. We're talking about the ability to play games online, obtain additional content, download demos, and stay in contact with your friends. Make a checklist of everything XBL (NOT the xbox 360) does, and I'll reply with an equivalent checklist of FREE equivalents on the PC side. But the thing is, it doesn't NEED to be "XBL OR PC." If XBL was free, it wouldn't be a "vs" situation. Again: make excuses. Doesn't change the fact that everything XBL provides COULD be had for no cost to the end user.

You cannot argue this. MS has proven my point for me. Games For Windows Life is an EXACT equivalent of XBL for the PC. AND IT IS FREE WITH NO FEES AT ALL. So why is it okay for MS to charge for XBL on the 360, but then to turn around and slap a different name on it and charge nothing for it on the PC?

[BusyBadger]

So why is it okay for MS to charge for XBL on the 360, but then to turn around and slap a different name on it and charge nothing for it on the PC?

There's no other alternative. Think of XBL as the only road leading to a popular destination. Wouldn't you charge a toll too?

My take on "Games For Windows - Live" is that there are other alternatives to online pc gaming and MS doesn't control those roads. Because MS would gain nothing by charging for this its offered for free and makes it look like they are giving away something for free. Which they are, there is certainly some dedicated support staff for the service (the same goes for XBL).

Look at it this way, all those XBL paid subscriptions are subsidizing those using the Games for Windows Live for free.

So, I'm still wondering why you're a console gamer. And at this point I'm almost wondering why you aren't using a Mac.

And the AC2 thing was apples and oranges. I saw your []iXBL and my mind said Xbox...s'what I get for paying more attention to the Colts than to my posts. At least they're winning (handily)

[MinisterofDOOM]

So, I'm still wondering why you're a console gamer. And at this point I'm almost wondering why you aren't using a Mac.

I'm not a console gamer. I just own a few consoles. Probably 99% of my games library is PC titles. I only buy consoles when "necessary" in order not to miss out on games I want for them. Which is why I don't own a PS3 yet. I don't even really use my 360 that much. But I do like having it around for the occasion that I do want to use it.

There's no other alternative. Think of XBL as the only road leading to a popular destination. Wouldn't you charge a toll too?

If I did, I would say that complaints about the toll would be valid.

My take on "Games For Windows - Live" is that there are other alternatives to online pc gaming and MS doesn't control those roads. Because MS would gain nothing by charging for this its offered for free and makes it look like they are giving away something for free. Which they are, there is certainly some dedicated support staff for the service (the same goes for XBL).

I completely agree. But as I said before, that's justifying one failing with another. It might be the truth and even a valid reason. But that does not make the price any more tolerable.Slightly off topic:The funniest part is that NO ONE in the PC gaming world wants to come within ten miles of GFWL. I would actually be willing to wager (from the extreme negativity I've seen from almost everyone in regards to the service) that putting that logo on your box actually HARMS sales. That's largely due to it being massively broken to the point that it cripples game playability in many cases. MS talks about how they're hoping to "improve" windows gaming with the service, but in reality all it does is weigh down games, since it acts like XBL and restricts them in so many ways (which can be beneficial for a console setting, but is counter-productive on the PC setting). Even if it wasn't catastrophically broken, that would still be a downside, but being broken, it can make games unplayable by being restrictive AND broken at the same time.

[dee_tymz_sl]

I am so tired of the "XBL should be free" complaint.

But they do add content, it just might not be content everyone is interested in, but its still there. OXM articles, Major Nelson's Minute, other promo pieces, dashboard themes, gamer pics. Does anyone out there think that MS doesn't track the downloads? I guarantee that someone is downloading them or MS wouldn't go to the trouble of putting them out there, they'd be exploring other options that people would rather have. And those bits don't put themselves up there on their own, so you have to pay someone to do it. One other word...

Demos. All those demos that you'd normally have to buy an issue of OXM to get are available instantly and well before OXM ever hits the magazine rack . If downloading and playing a demo prevents someone from purchasing one bad title then an XBL subscription has paid for itself.

People that don't want to pay the $50 can always go with XBConnect and its limited supported list of 360 games or the pretty extensive list (including the original Halo) of original Xbox games.

Ok you talk about downloading and MS tracking these downloads. Come on think about it, that's no reason to charge me my daily Starbucks change just so I'm able to have contents. Sony does the same thing for free and yes I will admit they may not have much contents as the 360 but nonetheless they do have good stuff for free, and you mentioned tracking- I'm sure it's tracked as well because if it weren't they wouldn't go through the troubles of putting the contents there and even updating it quite frequently. promo pieces - we all like to try demos at times, and yes demos are a good way from preventing us from buying a crappy game so I have to thank Sony for letting me try demo games, once again for free. Dashboard themes, yes, Sony changes their interface just as often as MS does and gamer pics, you can make avatar of yourself in the Sony community. Come on not much different except for the price, which becomes a big difference.

My take on "Games For Windows - Live" is that there are other alternatives to online pc gaming and MS doesn't control those roads. Because MS would gain nothing by charging for this its offered for free and makes it look like they are giving away something for free. Which they are, there is certainly some dedicated support staff for the service (the same goes for XBL).

Look at it this way, all those XBL paid subscriptions are subsidizing those using the Games for Windows Live for free.

So, I'm still wondering why you're a console gamer. And at this point I'm almost wondering why you aren't using a Mac.

That right there is the explanation as to why you are being robbed but don't say you console gamers, say XBox 360 owner my friend. I don't care for XBL or for whatever other reason why MS is charging you a fee to play per month because all this sweet abbreviations is simply robbing from your wallets.

Oh, BTW, I quit going to Starbucks so that I can save that money for my next game which will be Tekken 6. It's a good thing I don't have an XBox 360 now isn't it?

[bmike818]

if you can't afford $1 a week for Xbox live get a PS3. You will be much happier with a PS3 than an Xbox.

Xbox doesn't even have a Blueray player

[BusyBadger]

I quit going to Starbucks so that I can save that money

Going to Starbucks when you could be going to Tim Horton's?

Next thing you're going to say that you prefer Burger King over Swiss Chalet. I'd actually take NYF over both just for the poutine, but that's just me.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Timbits FTW.

[marlin29311]

Random question - anyone have the 360 hdd migration kit? I need one...

[dee_tymz_sl]

Going to Starbucks when you could be going to Tim Horton's?

Next thing you're going to say that you prefer Burger King over Swiss Chalet. I'd actually take NYF over both just for the poutine, but that's just me.

Tim Horton's is the better choice between the two. As for Burger Kings it's a no but as for Swiss Chalet it's a definite NO, NO. I can't comment on the NYF but what I know is for those people who have an XBox 360 probably can't afford to eat at any of these places as they'll be taking their money to pay unnecessary fees every month to play their system online.

Also what I know as well is that...

PS3 is the better choice when it comes to the PS3 vs. the XBox 360

[Morph]

Its amazing the amount of ignorance and retartedness running amuck in this thread.

And the arguement that the Ps3 has no good game/exclusives is blind fanboy loyalism. Walk out of your hut theres a whole world out there beyond the MS press releases.

Console vs console for out of the box functionality PS3 wins hands down. Anyone aruge that or caim its false needs to stop drinking the jesus juice.

[bmike818]

Its amazing the amount of ignorance and retartedness running amuck in this thread.

And the arguement that the Ps3 has no good game/exclusives is blind fanboy loyalism. Walk out of your hut theres a whole world out there beyond the MS press releases.

Console vs console for out of the box functionality PS3 wins hands down. Anyone aruge that or caim its false needs to stop drinking the jesus juice.

take a chill pill dude! Calling your fellow members names is a no no, no matter how much they deserve it. Out of the box PS3 wins. When it comes to the best games, XBox 360 wins hands down.

ultimately it's the consumers that win since they get all the benefits of the console war.

If you are going to have an attitude in the Gaming Forums the GTFO we don't need you here! it's sad since you are an older member.

[MinisterofDOOM]

NO console can stand on it's own. So "out of the box" is irrelevant and pointless. Consoles exist to PLAY GAMES. Any additional features or gimmicks or shinies are irrelevant. If the console does not play the games YOU PERSONALLY ENJOY everything else is pointless.

And the arguement that the Ps3 has no good game/exclusives is blind fanboy loyalism. Walk out of your hut theres a whole world out there beyond the MS press releases.

As suggested above, calm down.

There's a BIG difference between fanboyism and varied taste. Also, take note of how OLD this thread is. A lot of the "no good games" posts are from back when there really were no good games. A lot has changed recently on that front.

But even if that wasn't the case, someone not liking any games available for just the PS3 is not in any way, shape, form or warping of definition fanboyism. It's called PERSONAL TASTE. And as has been mentioned multiple times in this very thread, that view of the GAMES has NO BEARING on the system itself. It's not fanboyism because it has nothing to do with a preference of Sony or MS or either piece of hardware or any SINGLE thing. It's a viewpoint that encompasses many games.

And you should watch who you're calling blind and fanboys. Many of us (like myself) are most likely much more aware of the gaming world than yourself. I'm very much aware of the titles available for the PS3, for the 360, for the PC, for the Wii. The reason I own all but one is that all but one have plentiful desirable titles, making the investment worthwhile, while the fourth does not.

As I have said countless times: HARDWARE MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT GAMES TO PLAY ON IT. I don't care whose hardware is better out of the box. And I don't care about functionality beyond videogames in a console. So NONE OF THAT makes any difference if I don't like the PS3's library.

I'd like to play Drake's Fortune and God of War 3, but that's only two games, and one's not even out yet. Not worth plunking down $300. When I bought my 360 I walked out of the store with 3 or 4 games in hand as well, and a list of more to buy later. When I bought my Wii I already HAD a stack of 3 or 4 games at home waiting to be played, and another list of more to buy. That just won't happen on the PS3. YOU MAY PERSONALLY THINK that there are lots of good exclusives for the PS3. Many of us disagree. Some of us are really, really picky, and rarely buy games at all anymore. I'm not going to buy a console that only has one or two outstanding games that I'm interested in. And I'm not going to buy a console that has shown no sign of changing that fact over the years. Slowly, VERY VERY SLOWLY, the PS3 is acquiring desirable titles. But at this rate it'll be 3 more years before there are enough titles I really want to play for the console to be worth the initial pricetag.

And DON'T bring up bluray as a defense, because it's ONLY a defense if one was going to buy a bluray player anyway. I have no intention of buying a bluray player anytime soon. Yes, bluray is a bonus, but it's no extra selling point for me. Just as with games, I'd have to acquire a library of bluray titles for that to do me any good. More money required there. So that's no more incentive to buy the PS3 than if it did not have a bluray player.Bluray on the PS3 is like getting free window tinting with your car. Great if you wanted window tinting anyway. But not even worth mentioning if you didn't. I don't need/want/care about bluray, so it's neither good nor bad. Yes, I'd start buying bluray movies if I had a PS3, but I don't feel like I'm missing out NOT buying bluray movies.

Console vs console for out of the box functionality PS3 wins hands down. Anyone aruge that or caim its false needs to stop drinking the jesus juice.

What "functionality" is better? Some parts of the hardware design are superior. The easy to replace hard drive is a nice contrast to MS's locked-to-official take. But the rest of the console doesn't stand out as better OR WORSE than the 360. I say anyone who makes claims that one console "wins" without pointing out WHY it wins is the one who needs to stop drinking the "jesus juice."

The funny thing is that a lot of us "fanboys" have offered solid points to support our opinions. All you've done is insult people and say "this one's better and if you can't see it you're stupid."

[Morph]

I dont think i've insulted anyone. I've offered no quotes of so and so said this or that.

And by out of the box meaning if you wanted to hook up to a wireless network, thats extra, bigger hdd as you've pointed out is a PITA with MS and overly expensive, hd player is extra, onlline is extra. Playstation has more things included with the price tag.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I see. The HDD thing is a big bonus.Wireless for the 360 is way overpriced, but who actually uses wireless? That's not even a rhetorical question...is there actually anyone who uses wireless? It's so unreliable and finicky.

Still, easier to upgrade hard drive doesn't to me any good if I don't have anything to use it for.

[Morph]

And you should watch who you're calling blind and fanboys. Many of us (like myself) are most likely much more aware of the gaming world than yourself. I'm very much aware of the titles available for the PS3, for the 360, for the PC, for the Wii. The reason I own all but one is that all but one have plentiful desirable titles, making the investment worthwhile, while the fourth does not.

Dude again never made a refrence to anyone just some of the comments and attitudes I’ve read in this post and in the forum. If you took offence my bad didn’t use any names for a reason. I have both a 360 and a ps3, also I have consoles back to the NES when is started gaming so I think I am very aware thanks.

As I have said countless times: HARDWARE MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT GAMES TO PLAY ON IT.

And games mean nothing if the hardware doesn’t work. Sorry had to I’ve earned the right. 4 360s and counting.

And DON'T bring up bluray as a defense, because it's ONLY a defense if one was going to buy a bluray player anyway. I have no intention of buying a bluray player anytime soon. Yes, bluray is a bonus, but it's no extra selling point for me. Just as with games, I'd have to acquire a library of bluray titles for that to do me any good. More money required there. So that's no more incentive to buy the PS3 than if it did not have a bluray player.Bluray on the PS3 is like getting free window tinting with your car. Great if you wanted window tinting anyway. But not even worth mentioning if you didn't. I don't need/want/care about bluray, so it's neither good nor bad. Yes, I'd start buying bluray movies if I had a PS3, but I don't feel like I'm missing out NOT buying bluray movies.

It’s not a defense it’s a bonus. Just like the PS2’s DVD drive. And blu ray has proven usefull in gaming in its own right. id’s having issues with the storage on the 360 disks. So having games on multiple disks might not be so bad but it can limit the content that the developer wants to include on the game.

The funny thing is that a lot of us "fanboys" have offered solid points to support our opinions. All you've done is insult people and say "this one's better and if you can't see it you're stupid."

Again I singled no one out.

Ok for facts let look at s***ty hardware, the fact the MS knew about the problem and chose…again they made a decision to say screw it and not say anything. Sure they decided to get it fixed but that was after millions of consoles were “fixed” for the same issue.

Disk scraching wtf. Happened to 4 of my disks before i had to send it off again. No i didnt move the thing at all.

Actual 1080p games not upscale.Free onlineHDD upgradeable,Blu-Ray PlayerNo region coding on most games.USB support for pretty much anythingOS support on older modelsWeb BrowserPrinter support

Better exclusives. Xbox ranks 8.47 out of 10 and PS3 ranks 9.42 out of 10.

http://gogaminggiant.com/2009/...usive/

Im well aware graphics don’t make the game but they do count. And exclusive for exclusive Playstation's look a lot better. Sure some multiplatform games still suffer on the ps3 but this is due to the fact if it being a port from the 360 to the ps3. If the devs would actually learn the system and port from the ps3 to the 360 things would be even. If you can code for the ps3 first it will easily transition to the 360 with no negative side effects.

I am a gamer I don’t care what game a system is on if it’s a good game I will want to play it, no matter if its ps3 360 or what ever the hell comes out next.

Give each console the respect it deserves and leave it at that.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I'm sorry if that came across a little hotheaded. I'm just not big on slinging the word "fanboy" around. Especially since, in my experience, the only people who use it are fanboys themselves. But it doesn't matter if you singled anyone out. You said the thread had a lot of ignorance, retartednes, and blind fanboys. You don't walk into a room and say "there are a lot of morons in here" and then get offended when the people react to that.

And games mean nothing if the hardware doesn’t work. Sorry had to I’ve earned the right. 4 360s and counting.

RROD is covered by a 3 year warranty. Lack of fun games is not.

[marlin29311]

Better exclusives. Xbox ranks 8.47 out of 10 and PS3 ranks 9.42 out of 10.

http://gogaminggiant.com/2009/...usive/

Not picking sides or anything, but that is a terrible terrible article from a statistical comparison standpoint. A terrible maniuplation of data...21 360 games vs 10 PS3 games...you just can't do that and have any credibility.

[Nali]

Better exclusives. Xbox ranks 8.47 out of 10 and PS3 ranks 9.42 out of 10.

http://gogaminggiant.com/2009/...usive/

lol thats a bunch of garbage.1. Using one IGN editors opinion as frikkin scripture2. Using a different number of games for each system, of course the one with more games will have a lower average.3. Guy says he wont use Japanese games then he lists: Ace Combat, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, beautiful Katamari and Dead or Alive?? Credibility?4. The site was created last year? By nobodies? Hehe. Lol, i should start a site and do this too.5. If hes going to use opinions to make an average why doesnt he use a Meta score instead of IGN? Better yet why doesnt the site use its own scores instead of IGN, then i wouldnt have even bothered to read the whole aricle and would have just ridiculed it svaing myself a good 5 mins.

Hehe thought id leave this hot pile in here....i might come back later, but im busy playing Forza 3 on my Xbox 360.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Also, review scores mean jack s***. Doesn't matter if every game on either console gets universal 99% scores if I don't want to play any of them.

[OldmanPurdy]

Also, review scores mean jack s***. Doesn't matter if every game on either console gets universal 99% scores if I don't want to play any of them.

Games get rated too high these days no game is perfect enough to get 10/10 or 5/5, of course reviews now get around that by saying that a perfect score dosen't mean the game is perfect...........oh so what does it mean then?

[redtop91]

RROD is covered by a 3 year warranty. Lack of fun games is not.

ZING!

[redtop91]

I can't comment on the NYF but what I know is for those people who have an XBox 360 probably can't afford to eat at any of these places as they'll be taking their money to pay unnecessary fees every month to play their system online.

Seriously, its Like $4.20 a month. If you can't afford that for the awesome features Xbox Live has over PSN, you shouldn't be spending any money on videogames. You can't even use foodstamps for games.

Hehe thought id leave this hot pile in here....i might come back later, but im busy playing Forza 3 on my Xbox 360.

Isn't it amazing?!? At least judging by how long GT PSP took to release the PS3 owners will be playing GT5 by.....2014ish?
Modified by redtop91 at 2:11 PM 11/3/2009

[bmike818]

If GT5 sucks I will not be buying a PS3, that is the last game I want to play on the PS3. GT5 comes in March in Japan supposedly, if it does ship we can expect GT5 in the fall of 2010. I hope I am not burnt out with racing by then.

Where the heck did all the Helicopter games go?

[_b.jaye_]

if GT5 sucks, i will be buying a 360. forza2 was a much better game than gt4 or gt5 prologe, which was pretty, but boring.

the failure rate has kinda scared me away for now, but im really jones'in for some racing game goodness. maybe with it pretty much being dedicated to ONE game, it wont fail on me.

after ive picked up GT5 & FF13 though, im lookin at a big dry-spell of interest. what are you guys eyeing on the horizon?

[BusyBadger]

the failure rate has kinda scared me away for now

The arcade version with the Jasper chipset will do you right. Just need to buy a hard drive and you're good as gold.

what are you guys eyeing on the horizon?

Alpha Protocol (Q1), Bioshock II (Q1), Fallout: New Vegas (Q4), Mass Effect II (Q1), Splinter Cell: Conviction (Q1). I'm fairly certain that Conviction will use many of the crowd elements that I've experienced in Assassin's Creed II.

On the distant, distant horizon I'll be looking for Thief IV.