probably tired of hearing this

[domesticcarssuck]

hey yall, i know yall are probably tired of hearing this but ive been barely coming on here for like 2 weeks and after searching and searching i just really want to hear it from ppl who bought them and that are driving them, not ppl who are selling them so with that said all i really want to know is it better to buy a front clip or a motor set. I know most ppl will say its a preference thing and everything pretty much is but i just want to know because i need to know wich route to take in the next couple of weeks. The guy whos going to do the swap said that getting a front clip is the easiest way since its just taking stuff from one and adding it on to another. I dont care bout price, or anything like that just want to hear from you guys driving them and the ones who obvioulsy bought them, If i were to get a motor set is EVERYTHING that i need to do the swap there or am i going to need other things also. Thanks.

[AJ1356]

i always thought front clips were kinda useless cuz you just take the engine and transmission out and launch the rest, but after buying a front clip i changed my mind. it comes with everythign i need + some . andi think in the long run it is gonna be more cost effective at least for me. i say go for a clip specially if you have an automatic are goin to do a 5 speed cuz all the parts you need are in the clip.. or if you are going five lug, all the parts are there. so on and so forth

[SpeedRacer1]

If you know your $hit about SR swaps, then get an engine set. Those who know a lot about the swap know exactly whats needed and where to get it cheap. The fact that you even had to ask the question means you should probably get a clip.

I have my friends get clips when they arent too experienced or want the swap done quickly. I have my friends get motorsets when they are really good at sourcing parts or dont mind waiting a month to get the proper parts.

If you get a motorset you will probably missing things like the radiator, intercooler and or piping, possible cut harness', wrong ECU's, MAFS, etc.

A clip is a whole package that makes the swap very easy for beginners.

[Re_Joshua]

I went with a motor set for the simple reason I wasn't going to use a "stock" radiator, intercooler, etc etc etc. So it was pointless for me to spend the extra money on all those "stock" parts that were being replaced anyways. I purchased a motor and tons of other parts. The motor and all parts came to around $5,000 USD after it was all said and done with. Except my car while a piece of crap (didn't know that because it had a broken KA in it when I got it). I've ended up replacing most of the p/s components and ended up replace and fixing interior wiring problems and such, so it ended up being a lot more than I wanted to spend, but it was all worth it to have the upgraded parts when I started the car, instead of wasting an extra 1,000 or 1,500 on a clip to just end up replacing the parts in the long run....but again, it's all up to when you want to do.

[IanS]

Thats also how I went about it,I spent a long time doing research, and I was about to get a clip, when I decided to just get a motorset, and get an FMIC kit cause the SM sucks, and got all the piping, a clip would have been nice, but for me it wasnt necasary, I am a very mechanical person and a huge car geek, and I had the motor in in one weekend, then I wated 3 weeks for my wiring harness, sent to Yuri at Wiring specialties, he did an awsome job and the car would have started on the first try if my CAS hadnt been in 180 degrees. If your good with cars, and know what parts you need, or you have somone helping you whos done this befor, and your not doing the 5 speed swap, then Id say just get a motorset, it might take a little longer, but you wont have to worry about trying to get rid of all the garbage afterwards.

[Re_Joshua]

I even did the wiring myself. It is really simple and tons of websites have the break down of how to wire it up.

[Morph]

I even did the wiring myself. It is really simple and tons of websites have the break down of how to wire it up.

Ya you say that now try saying that when you have 10+ feet of crutial wiring infront of you.

[biglipzit]

Wait till a wiring mess hits you and no matter what website you are on your still confused and don't know where each plug goes. It is alot harder than you think.

[sr20detmaybe]

I even did the wiring myself. It is really simple and tons of websites have the break down of how to wire it up.

Could u give me a site that has the break down, i havent checked yet but im lazy. HEHE

[D1 guy]

The engine set is a little better in my opinion b/c you save a little money. This is good b/c you can take that extra money and buy a koyo radiator and an fmic. If you get the clip, you pay for a factory radiator, lil side intercooler, and other little stuff thats not good enough. I bought an s14 set from heavythrottle. Thats the way to go. Theyll help you any way they can and they sell quality motors.

[IanS]

I even did the wiring myself. It is really simple and tons of websites have the break down of how to wire it up.

The wiring for S13 and S14 are 2 completely differant animals, the S13 being a teddy bear the S14 with ABS being a wolverine, plus there is far less infor on S14 Chasis wiring

[got2b240]

I bought a motorset. Cause i been through alot with SR's in my past 3 years of experience with them.

All work I have done was done with my two bare hands, and help of just my cousin.

I ordered from O-SUKA (osaka) and I got really lucky to get a Type-X Blacktop out of a 98' 180sx. But they jerked me around with the ecu and I had to find a way to re-pin the harness to work with a E6 ecu (automatic ecu, works and is more compatible with atmosphereic bov's)

Here is the list of what I bought and spent:________________Installed Blacktop SR20DET______________SR20DET Blacktop . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$1950Manual Driveshaft. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$55Manual Pedals, Hard-Line, Clutch MC. . . . . . . .$75Stainless Steel Clutch Line. . . . . . . . . . . .$59Nismo 3pc Mounts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$240Blitz Nur-Spec R Exhaust & DownPipe. . . . . . . .$833Blitz LM Intercooler & HKS Hotpipe . . . . . . . .$900HKS SSQV . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$201HKS SSQV O-Ring & C-Ring . . . . . . . . . . . . .$14Apex'i SAFC II BLACK . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$240Walboro 255 Fuel Pump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$92Nismo 1.3 Radiator Cap . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$18Perma-Cool 14 Inch Fan w/Thermostat. . . . . . . .$138Heavy Throttle EZ Swap Kit (hoses, belts,aiv plug)$99Perma-Cool 14" HP Radiator Fan....................$139EZ Install Kit (rad hoses & aiv & htr)............$99NGK Copper Plugs..................................$12Misc Fluids & Supplies............................$50Manual Driveshaft. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$55Manual Pedals, Hard-Line, Clutch MC. . . . . . . .$75Manual Transmission Crossmember...................$20Foam Air Filter...................................$25

[unfrgivn]

Motorset hands down...

and the wiring is a joke! You solder like 15 wires tops and call it a day. You can convert an SR harness to work with the USDM 240 in about an hour. Even if you have never soldered a wire before in your life or done any wiring it's easy and it is a skill you should learn. It's not like welding which requires much more precision and skill.

[ca18det_boy]

The wiring for S13 and S14 are 2 completely differant animals, the S13 being a teddy bear the S14 with ABS being a wolverine, plus there is far less infor on S14 Chasis wiring

yup yup still working on that wiring for the S14-S13...LOL

[AJ1356]

i say which ever you get a better deal on. the clip takes more room and at the end you 'd have to get rid of more useless junk. but as i said earlier it does come with some usefull parts. with a motorset you get exactly what you need , sometimes less. i got a s15 clip but i got it for 3300. so i did not care much about the room and all the useless junk that comes with it. also it comes with lots of usefull things such as s15 sterring wheel ( saved 250) s15 rotors and calibers( sold for 175)plus the brake master i can use fro my z32 calibers( saving 50 or so) everything i need to do the manual swap from automatic ( saved me about 600 worth of parts) front 5 lug hubs( saved me about 200 there) and all i am going to do is, get it in the s14 and get it running. later i'll upgrade to fmic, koyo radiator and whatever slowly, as budget allows. and for eveyone putting eachother down over wiring , some ppl may be more or less talented with wiring , that does not mean you have to belittle them. personnally i am gonna pay 300 and send my harness over to wiring specialities. they are gonna do a great job and i don't have to worry about messing up anything. and i recommend that to anyone not feeliing confedent about thier wiring skills. . i've bought motorsets b4 and had to spend more money just to get them complete. that is my story, use it as a guideline it could be helpfull or it could not be helpfull, i gave you the pros and cons of both as i see them, now it is for you to decide.
Modified by AJ1356 at 7:11 PM 6/17/2005