priorities and $1400

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

In your all mighty tuning experiances, what would you do with $1400 to a bone stock sr. Would you upgrade injectors, or maybe some pulleys, boost controller etc etc, or would you upgrade internals.. Of course $1400 is no where near what I'm going to spend on the engine, this is just my summer project. I'm not looking for imediate power, this is a long long long term project. I'm just looking at where one would start.

preciate it Scott

Post by **S14Life** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

I would get the T28 turbo (unless you're going for more than ~350 horse power) from an S15 with a FMIC, BOV, etc. and ungrade the fuel system.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

I already have a huge hybrid FMIC. I heard it as a pretty big hassle straping on the t28. Hell, if I can get ~300-320 hp I'd be estatic.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Also, does anybody have a dyno in the south? Or better yet where can I get my car tuned in the south.

Post by **240Kuminachu** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Get a stand alone system..

It will only benefit down the road.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

do you have a 3" downpipe, test pipe (or high flow cat) and 3" exhaust yet?

Post by **Phax** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

VitaminT wrote:do you have a 3" downpipe, test pipe (or high flow cat) and 3" exhaust yet?

You'll also need an intake filter of some sort. Something that gets rid of the stock airbox. I have a K&N, it came on the motor. I like it because every 12-18 months I clean it, and have a brand new airfilter for the cost of a can of cleaner. There is something about their filter material that sets it apart from the rest of what is out there. Stay away from the thin foam filter elements (HKS, etc). They do not filter very well.

Once you get a downpipe and exhaust, you'll want to look into dumping more fuel into the motor. Get a high flow fuel pump.

At that point, ask yourself whether you want the car to go any faster on the public roadway.

Post by **EazyBreazy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

one word.............disco potatoe.......

Post by **bcuz** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

how about some fuzzy pink dice to hang from your rear view mirror?

just kidding

but why not start properly and get all the internal work done? first thing Im doing when I get my sr is a rebuild, and maybe bore that bad boy out a lil

Post by **hokiruu** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Look at the car as a whole. How are your brakes? Tires? I didn't upgrade mine in time and screamed my freshly swapped S14 right off the road. if you have good suspension, brakes, and traction, move on to gauges, electronics, fuel, or engine/head strengthening parts like metal hg, valvesprings, RAS, etc.

Post by **180fan** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Thought about the timing chain? The 95 blacktop I've got has a plastic tension side guide design that was recalled with the first few 89 240sx's. Gaskets? Head studs? Head gasket? new oil pan and oil filter relocation kit? New radiator and possibly an electric fan?

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Yeah that oil filter relocation kit is killer. My best mod yet.

Post by **nissanrcer240** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

VitaminT wrote:Yeah that oil filter relocation kit is killer. My best mod yet.

Really? What the best thing about getting the kit, like why does it benefit from relocating your oil filter? Sorry if this sounds stupid, I never really looked into it.

Post by **180fan** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

The location of the oil filter isn't in the most comfortable of spots to get to. Hence the oil filter relocator to somewhere more convenient like on the side of the engine bay where the sohc power steering reservoir would be.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Yeah it just makes it a dream to change the filter. Like 1.5 minutes. I had trouble getting the one off with the motor out of the car. I just thought it was worth the few dollars it is. It also gives you a place to put oil press. and oil temp sensors.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Are all garrett t28's the same? (i.e. can I buy one off ebay and bolt it up to my manifold?? Anybody every bought a t28 off ebay? I know phase2 sells them new for like $900 but surely there is a better place. Oh, and the oil relocation soundls like a great idea. Your right the oil filter is a ***** to change, it's so small it's hard to get a good grip on it. Also, what about a thermostat for my new radiator. Does anybody know how that works/hooks up etc?

Post by **Phax** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

What is the story with the oil filter relocater kit? A manufacturer and part number would be good. Does it come with braided steel lines and the whole nine yards?

Post by **Phax** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

thes14project wrote:Are all garrett t28's the same? (i.e. can I buy one off ebay and bolt it up to my manifold?? Anybody every bought a t28 off ebay? I know phase2 sells them new for like $900 but surely there is a better place.

You get what you pay for. I bought my clip from Phase2, so my opinion is a bit biased. If I were going to buy a T28, and couldn't get a good deal directly from someone on the BST forum, I'd get it from Phase2. eBay is too shady. It is too easy to take a picture of one product, and then ship something that is closely related but not quite the same thing.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

There are two versions of the T28 I believe. Search for a thread, but there is a good one and an okay one. The S14 T28s and some S15T28s are the same and then there is a better S15 turbo so you have to check the serial when buying one. Keep in mind that for the $875 (or whatever) that is a new turbo and not pulled from a used clip.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

On the oil filter relocation kit. Try this link for a pic. I don't know that i've found it on the US site so here is the GREX page for it with the part number and a big pic.

http://www.trust-power.com/03g....html

I got my kit from Heavy Throttle, but other sites sell it too. It has a plate that bolts where the oil filter goes and then two big stainless braided lines with Earls fittings go to another metal plate that the filter mounts too. It has a bracket than mounts the filter to the passenger side strut tower. I will see if I can find a pic of it installed on my car. Also, like I said earlier it has several ports for sensors and other crap (capped off by default).

The kit that HT sold fit like a glove after I figured out how to install it via trial and error (note: jap language instructions, but some pictures).

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Ok, so I've searched for the t28 on the s13 and I am hella confused. What parts besides the turbo itself do I need to buy to make it fit? Is this a job I can do myself? and if you had a choice between a Apexi FC and a t28 which would you choose first?

I've decided on this so far for my first round of upgrades3" exhaust from manifold on down550cc injectorslightweight pulleysboost controller (what kind do you guys have/recomend?)turbo timerz32 MAS

These are what I'm contemplatingT28 or Power FC or t28 and tuned ECU or Camshafts, gears, and valves and headgasket.

of course Eventually they'll all go on. I'm just wondering where to start.assumming I don't get the t28 and just upgrade the above and internals, how much hp do you think I'll pull from the t25 and how high can I turn up the boost, not considering the condition of the turbo, just hypothetically.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

If you have a redtop or S13 blacktop then you will need the compressor inlet and outlet "adaptors" because these are angled different for the T28 compared to the T25. OR, you can cut the flanges off your stock adaptors and have a shop reweld them at the right angle for your hotpipe and inlet hose.

You will also need to get new gaskets for the turbine inlet flange, 02 housing, and maybe exhaust manifold. You MAY also want to upgrade to a HKS wastegate actuator.

As far as the decision between the Power FC or T28, all I can say is that you will have to have someting to control the new injectors and MAF. Whether this is JWT, PowerFC, Secret Services SSPL, SAFC you will have to have something. Then as you know you really need to have those injectors and MAF for the T28 turbo. So in reality it is BOTH, sortof.

I personally would not get cams, cam gears, valves, headgasket, UNLESS you are going to go ahead and do the internals.

On the last issue, I would say somewhere around 230-250@14psi, but the boost will fall off in the higher RPM.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

could you just bolt up an s15 exhaust manifold to the s13? Or is that the high port low port thing.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

I do not know, but I would think so. I think the high/low port head mainly has to do with the intake and intake side of the head, but I really don't know.

If you have a pic so that you can compare here is a link to a stock S13 manifold with GT25R turbo.http://store6.yimg.com/I/phase...43851

Post by **RobDET** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

You need to change the turbo inlet and the oil dump line. Also some cars require filing of one of the turbo outlet holes. Then you have to get the high pressure side to your hot pipe... Thats pretty much it.

http://www.jspec.com advritizes a T28 with the inlet pipe (a hard part to get) Check it out.

:: Disclaimer :: I'm not endoursing Jspec because i have never ordered anything from them. I have a friend that ordered some part for his civic and he was happy with the results but that was almost 2 years ago now.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

So does anybody here actually have the t28 on the s13 set up?I emailed pahse 2 and this is their kit for the s13

S15_turboGreddy_O2_extensionEarls_steel_braided_oil_inlet,_water_inlet/outlet_linesOil_return_tube_/_hose_Multi_Layer_exhaust_manifold_gasketTurbo_inlet_gasketTurbo_outlet_gasketTurbo_outlet_pipe

Kit_price:_$1385.00_+_shipping"As_much_as_we_would_like_to_make_the_kit_as_bolt_on_friendly_as_possible,_the_only_modification_user_need_to_bolt_this_kit_on_their_S13_SR_is_modify_their_intercooler_piping_to_accomodate_the_new_angle_of_the_turbo_outlet_pipe."

that's a like half of the t3/t4 setup. So my final question is, how much hp can you get out of the t28 on a consistant basis on the s13? I heard that you can get no more that 320, in which case I'll just save up for the t3/t4. I'm looking for no less than 350hp. The keyword is consistant...Let me know. Thanks, for all your help guys Scott

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

I think the highest I have seen on a S15 T28 was 350 and that was only one guy and it seemed to be lower about 320.

If you are thinking "no less than 350hp" (and you are talking about wheel HP), then I would suggest the GT25R that phase2motortrend sells as well as cheapturbos.com. I would use the .86AR turbine option. I have seen a couple people make good power on one of these and that is what I am planning on doing. I am shooting for 400whp, but expect about 375-380.

Post by **VitaminT** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Also note that the GT25R is pretty much a bolt on affair. The driver's motor mount bracket has to be trimmed some to clear the compressor inlet, but other then that it is a awsome bolt-on package. It uses the T25 flange so stock (or aftermarket stock replacements) manifolds and O2 housings will work. I think that you will have to get a 90deg elbow for your hotpipe and the inlet is 4" so you will have to rig up something there.

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

Preciate it VT

Post by **thes14project** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:30 pm

What about the waste gate? Do you need one for an open air setup?

priorities and $1400

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