prettiest engine contest

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

why did someone laugh at the 20v blacktop turbo photo, its 1.6L and 460hp. doesnt sound to funny to me.

has nissan ever made a 5v per cylinder head?

Post by **boost_boy** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

Quote »why did someone laugh at the 20v blacktop turbo photo, its 1.6L and 460hp. doesnt sound to funny to me.[/quote] I don't think he was being funny and laughing in the way that you think he was. But in the event that you are offended by this internet post, please direct your post to that individual and not the rest of us nissan enthusiasts because thought the majority of my family drive toyotas, I don't and last I remember this is a nissan enthusiast forum.Quote »has nissan ever made a 5v per cylinder head?[/quote] Grow up man and stop being so petty. I wasn't going to say anything, but you are messing up a good thread with a comment like that one and make other members question your maturity. If someone wants to laugh at what you post, so be it. You like the 20v motor, good for you. I think it's a nice motor too, but there aren't any cut throat followers here in the U.S. like there are B16, B18, H22, SR20, CA18, etc, etc..... I guess Nissan didn't see a need to make an engine with 20valves when there current engines are successful (ie CA18DET, SR20DET, RB26DETT, RB25, SR20VE,etc). And if you wanna talk about what nissan did in that engine's class, I'm sure you've heard of the SR16VE that put out just as much power as the CA18DET and the SR20DET in N/A form? WE can go all day with this, but I don't think we want to make this a "Nissan's accomplishments -vs- Toyota's accomplishments thread because it's a waste of bandwith. I've seen so many AE86's with CA18's in them and not enough 3SGTE's (I wonder why):) .

Post by **CA18Fastback** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

carb'd sr20de from Tomei...

Post by **CA18Fastback** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

sr18 made also by Tomei....

Post by **DJ_SpaRky** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

boost_boy wrote:I don't think he was being funny and laughing in the way that you think he was. But in the event that you are offended by this internet post, please direct your post to that individual and not the rest of us nissan enthusiasts because thought the majority of my family drive toyotas, I don't and last I remember this is a nissan enthusiast forum. Grow up man and stop being so petty. I wasn't going to say anything, but you are messing up a good thread with a comment like that one and make other members question your maturity. If someone wants to laugh at what you post, so be it. You like the 20v motor, good for you. I think it's a nice motor too, but there aren't any cut throat followers here in the U.S. like there are B16, B18, H22, SR20, CA18, etc, etc..... I guess Nissan didn't see a need to make an engine with 20valves when there current engines are successful (ie CA18DET, SR20DET, RB26DETT, RB25, SR20VE,etc). And if you wanna talk about what nissan did in that engine's class, I'm sure you've heard of the SR16VE that put out just as much power as the CA18DET and the SR20DET in N/A form? WE can go all day with this, but I don't think we want to make this a "Nissan's accomplishments -vs- Toyota's accomplishments thread because it's a waste of bandwith. I've seen so many AE86's with CA18's in them and not enough 3SGTE's (I wonder why):) .

Hey hey, it was just a question, he didn't say anything like what your going on & on about. and besides the 20V is the 4A-GE, not the 3S-GTE, that's the MR2 Turbo, they never came in Hachis & it would be too much work since it is a TransAxle motor, & nobody, I mean nobody is going to make a Hachi FWD, so check you facts before flaming somebody for having a good question.

Post by **DJ_SpaRky** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

...and another thing, just cuz I posted the Toyota motor doesn't mean that I'm only a Nissan or Toyota Enthusiast, the word is "eclectic", so look it up and think about that, and guess what, I drive 2 Ford's, but have & always will like Imports, not just nissan or toyoya, all imports.

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

uhhhhhhhhhh.......ok

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

yeah, your right, 5 valves per head is pretty useless, thats why F1 uses them

the only reason 5 valves are used is for efficiency, it usually makes a more peaky motor, so it is preferable for a race motor. most factory cars are 4v per cylinder because it gives a better torque curve o make it more drivable, the 5th valve is also used sometimes similar to a vtec system, in a early ferrari f1 motor they would have the 5th valve kick in at around 7500 rpm's

Post by **Onizuka** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

DJ_SpaRky wrote: and besides the 20V is the 4A-GE, not the 3S-GTE, that's the MR2 Turbo, they never came in Hachis & it would be too much work since it is a TransAxle motor, & nobody, I mean nobody is going to make a Hachi FWD, so check you facts before flaming somebody for having a good question.

They have been placed in AE86's before using the RWD transmission, not too rare of a swap...

http://www.jarcoinc.com/inventory/

notice the AE101 motors from FWD levins being sold, you will only need one chance to guess where they are going to end up.

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

is the sr18 a destroked sr20?

Post by **CA18Fastback** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

i think so but i'm not really sure. i saw it on the tomei website the other day.

-ian

Post by **Chingon** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

well this is my favorite ae86 http://www.turbocorolla.com/me...6.asf

Post by **Chingon** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

rb30dett, Hmm I wonder how It would look in my hb's bay? only 1200 ps?

Post by **cortina-mk1** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

hello all,im from australia and was searching and reading for ca18 stuff stumbled onto this site

while reading some of the posts i found a picture of an engine in this thread which is of a CA in one of our cars

its just surprising where things turn upfinding the information here very helpful

Post by **CA19DET** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

i posted you MK1 Cortina engine, i stumbled upon your site and emailed you about making a exhaust manifold. just thought i would share the beautiful engine bay that your MK1 sports.

i had a MK2 Capri so i liked the swap, and loved the work.

Post by **cortina-mk1** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

ca19det,oh i remember

the engine bay looks a lot fuller now as we have bigger different exhaust manilfold oil air separatorin the corner and turbo piping has changed that right angle bend has now gone.had trouble with it on the dynohave a-n fittings/ braided line also

Post by **CA19DET** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

cortina-mk1

PLEASE show us the updated photos of the engine

what's up with the engine why is it giving trouble on the dyno??

Post by **DJ_SpaRky** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:They have been placed in AE86's before using the RWD transmission, not too rare of a swap...

http://www.jarcoinc.com/inventory/

notice the AE101 motors from FWD levins being sold, you will only need one chance to guess where they are going to end up.

then let me rephrase, 3S-GTE from the factory is a Transaxle motor.

An AE-101 is a Levin not the Levin motor, it is a 4A-GE, the AE101 motor is a TRD motor that is race only, not production. The differnce in the designations is the "-" then car has it, the motor doesn't.

(also, I'm not trying to flame, just making some clarifications)

Post by **Onizuka** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

ahhh ok :thumbup

Post by **cortina-mk1** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

ca19det, that silicon hose that was a 90degree bend was ballooning. we wanted to more boost into next time so we thought wed better improve on it...didnt want it to blow off and wreck/interrupt the dyno day.

now its fitted with a mandrel bent pipe with only one short straight silicon hose much better!i sold the BB turbo of that engine as we are going to bigger custom garrett ball bearing.

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

when you say ae101 race motor are you refering to the blacktop 20v? because those were available in a select few ae101 levin cars.

most ae101's have a silvertop 20v motor, the difference are in intake port shapes, throttle body length and bore, and the black top motor is balanced to 9k

Post by **hachigo** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

DJ_SPARKY wrote:

"An AE-101 is a Levin not the Levin motor, it is a 4A-GE, the AE101 motor is a TRD motor that is race only, not production. The differnce in the designations is the "-" then car has it, the motor doesn't." "

You're right, the AE101 is the code for the Levin generation after the AE86. But the AE101 motor is NOT a TRD race-only motor. Are you referring to the TRD Group A racing 20v motor?? If you are, then that engine was based on the 20v silvertop (ie. AE101 engine).

People just say AE101 engine instead of saying 4A-GE 20v. the AE101 Levin came with the 20v Silvertop(AE101 engine) and the AE111 Levin came with the 20v Blacktop(AE111 engine).

I'm also not flaming, just trying to clarify things.

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

hehe, you are some what right. race 20v's use the silvertop bottom end but a black top quadthrottle body setup(not sur eif they modify the silvertop head to fit the black top throttle bpdies or if it is a black top head)

i was almost positive ae101's were optional with a black top 20v and six spee transmission, maybe it was just ae111's, but i've seen ae111's with silvertop motors, maybe they swapped to silver for the stronger internals?

Post by **AkaiRPS13** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

rrriiight......

AE101s had the quad throttle. I know. my best friend has one in his 89 AW11 MR2. right now we are having to rig up some kind of throttle braket because one bolt is just not enough.

AE111s had lighter(weaker) bottoms, 11:1 comp(101= 10.5:1) and spun higher-faster.

as far as I know ALL silvertops are 101 motors and all 111s are blacktops(from the factory). ALL 4A-GELU motors(5 valve heads) had the individual throttles for driveabillity as well as performance.

Also the 3SGE comes in the altessa and so the 3S is not just a transaxle motor. but you were talking about GTEs so whatever. but supposedly the transmission is the same 6spd as a S15 and sweet too.

someday I will have my 6spd 9k rpm CA18DET.

Post by **elballoonrat** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

just in case no one could figure it out by the last 10 million posts, the 20 valve motors DO have 4 throttle bodies, and the black top motor does rev higher(lighter internals), and the silvertop came in the ae101 and the black top came in the ae111.

4a-gelu is the small port version or "j-spec" version of the large port 4age found in pre 1989 model toyotas, it doesn't have 5 valves per cylinder toyota changed to the smaller port size because the large port has a few cubic inches of dead space in the intake ports 4agelu's also used oil squirters for the pistons and eliminated the need for t-vis due to the re design of the intake ports, the black top and silvertop intake ports also differ because of a redesign in shape, the "j-spec" 4a-gelu is available in 1991 geo metro Lsi's

Post by **AkaiRPS13** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:32 pm

ok whatever. this isnt a toyota board. so even a friendly discussion about the 4As is pointless and silly.lets see some more engines!I liked the yellow valve covers on the UH engine.

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