Possible sr20det shortage??

Post by **cardinal** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

I have been setting up containers for delivery to the US (mainly holding the sr20det we all know and love) for several months now. I have been over to a hand full of countries to visit and inspect the yards since last December. It was an interesting trip, but that is another post.

Here is my question/comment... Has anyone noticed that the market is changing? When I was first over to Japan and elesewhere, there were sr20dets everywhere - some in great shape and some real pieces. Now, it is getting really tough to find any at all. The ones my people over there have found, they did not buy because they were trashed. Is it possible that the market could be running low on the s13 and s14s? Nissan only made so many, and they have been getting bought up for a long time now. Typically the ones I have had located are looking worse than before. In fact, finding a complete clip is really getting hard. A trick I learned on my visit was that they pull the motors out of the cars which have the highest miles on them or were extra bad shape. Without an odometer to back it up, who knows what you are buying.

Just a thought. Anyone else have any ideas??

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Entirely possible, only a certain number made, X amount distroyed in accidents X amount with massive mechanical failureX amount destroyed at scrap yardsX amount poorly cared for

Doesnt leave too many in 'excellent' condition.. and I am sure they were the first to get shipped out.

Lets hope the major companies recognize there is also a market for maintenince and OE replacement parts. Otherwise there are a ton of motors in this country surviving on borrowed time.

Post by **themadscientist** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

well there were only so many made, Nissan discontinued the motor, Americans and Aussies have been buying up as many as they can find and Japanese guys are grenading them at an increasing rate, what do you expect? If you have 5 apples, you sell one to John and another to Nigel and Kenji and tetsuya eat two, you have one left and Daisuke isn't selling it because it makes his car go.I love my CA18DET, I can find them all day long and I can't kill it. I feel for you SR guys:(

Post by **ride4lame** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

I feel scared and alone...someone hold me?

Post by **themadscientist** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Grouphug!:dogpile

Post by **cardinal** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

I'm not posting this to make people lose their warm fuzzy feeling about being able to get motor. Just wanted to see if anyone else is seeing this trend. If anything, everyone should be a little more careful buying a motor these days. Almost all of the engines they looked at (when they could find one) were junk. I am sure someone will box them up, claim that they have 35k on them, rubber stamp a comperssino test (another trick I saw going on) and they will be in someones garage soon. These were going to be for a container that was to ship to the US in May - June. Right now, I doubt I will be able to fill it. I guess I could fill it with some really nice honda motors - NOT.

Post by **kingsoup** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Nice info, no suprise really, I wouldn't buy a motor without doing a comp. test then and their, although it must be tough too test bearing condition eh?

So we run out of SR's, I'll take a CA anyday.

Website · Post by **the_invisible** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

With all the stock SR20DET gone and sold in Japan, that means people will start to cut up the highly tuned Silvias or 180SX with upgraded turbo and internals, and send them to us.

Website · Post by **the_invisible** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Besides, I have a s14. If s13 Silvias engines are running low, I can take the 98 180sx clips or s14 clips. I am sure there are plenty of those around.

As you can see, I am try trying to escape the truth.

Post by **Samabra** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Yeah I actually have noticed that trend, I think one thing too is that the swap has gotten really popular in the US, so the market kinda expanded here, making the engines a little more scarce, cause I remember back before SCC did the story about the engine swap, they were fairly easy to get ahold of, and now it seems a bit harder to find. We'll see I guess as time goes on, but nothing to worry about, I figure that as long as enough of us will pay for replacement parts, someone will make them.....................hopefully Chris

Post by **slw240sx** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

wonder what it would cost to set up a engine manufactoring plant and produce New Sr20dets over here in america?? anyone have a really really really rich friend or relative that has a few millions to blow on helping out the nissan culture ???

Post by **flashoptions** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

News from Flashoptions

The motors are running very low now, very little day by day...

Cardinal is true, the motors are running very low now,

Even now we have 4 clips and coming another 3 more for this 2 weeks. for the sr20det black or red top.

The S14 are worst, they are one of the highest competed motor now ..

I guess Nissan after this summer the price is going to boom for the motors.

" Flashoptions forcast 4G63T , KLZE , KLFE MAZDA as the next motor people are going to compete for " The trends -- - HONDA -- NISSAN ---Mitsubishi MAZDA / -- Toyota ..........

we forcast this.

The competition is getting tougher and tougher everyday.

All i can say is get your SR20 before it's too late.

Post by **namrak** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

woot glad I got mine before they became WAY WAY WAY too common hehe. Now I also have to watch my back.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

I already got mine and it was in great condition so yeah, whatever for the rest of you guys.

Post by **Infamous** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

im scared....should i buy the 240 first then the SR, or the SR first and then the car?:(

Post by **Phax** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Though the English was broken, the message from Flash Options was an interesting one. It will be interesting to see over the next couple of years, if their predictions for Toyota and Mazda motor demand will substantially increase.

I'm fully willing to admit that I jumped on this band wagon way late. I'm glad that someone came and pulled me off of the Spec-V board, and saved me spending my money there. Given the predicted engine shortage, I'm even more happy to remember reading posts from guys in Austrialia, with 150k+ on fully boosted engines. With the strength of aftermarket internals, and smart tuning... these engines should last for quite a while.

Someone just asked about whether to get the engine, or the car first. At this point, I'd say buy the clip if you're serious about doing the swap. The cars, especially in the S13 body style are all over the place. The SR20DET on the other hand...

Post by **ZERO** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

One question though...

Didn't the X-Trail come with an SR20 in Japan???

If so then there shouldn't be a shortage, you'd just have to source them from an SUV.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

the wireup would be different.. as well as a bunch of other minor things i am sure.. But if the engine importers can get together and say "there are almost no s13 motors left to be had" the price will skyrocket.

Post by **cardinal** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

I will check and see what my sources have to say about the X-Trail. These guys I have been working with were searching by motor type, not by the make/model so I wonder if there are many out there. Also, I have never seen a front clip from an X-Trail which makes me wonder just how hard it would be to swap it. For sure there will be wiring problems (more so than now) and who knows what else. I will see if I can find anything out and post it.

Post by **NEED4BOOST** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Great now car theives will be stalking the SR powered 240's instead of the Type R's

And yes I am a statistic...my Type R was stolen

Website · Post by **creophus** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

kingsoup wrote:Nice info, no suprise really, I wouldn't buy a motor without doing a comp. test then and their, although it must be tough too test bearing condition eh?

So we run out of SR's, I'll take a CA anyday.

No my friend...if we run out of SRs then its straight to the RBs!:ylsuper

Post by **martin** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

ZERO wrote:One question though...

Didn't the X-Trail come with an SR20 in Japan???

If so then there shouldn't be a shortage, you'd just have to source them from an SUV.

Hmm.. do they have a FWD trans with the motor mounted north/south? This would make an interesting swap into a 240, might even be a suitable powerplant for the rally car project I've been thinking about.

-Martin.

Post by **cow** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Ok well maybe I'm way off here, but I think y'all are jumping the gun a bit in saying there is going to be an SR "shortage." I mean think about it, Nissan made 1000's of Silvias, and they are still not nearly as popular as Honda swaps (at least as far as I can tell), which are still going quite strong.

Consider the relatively tiny amount of people buying up these motors, and the good sized amount that are probably still floating around in Japan.. some may not have been found yet, but I doubt the supply is just gonna dry up this soon.

But I could be wrong. :p

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

there were 1000's of Silvias, but its only the Silvia K motor we are after..

Post by **ZERO** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

The X-trail is the japanese equivalent of the X-Terra... I might imagine that the engines are longitudaly mounted. It would be interesting to see if they can use this as an alternate source of SRs, but another question still stands...Where will the people source the trannys from?...

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

ZERO wrote:The X-trail is the japanese equivalent of the X-Terra... I might imagine that the engines are longitudaly mounted. It would be interesting to see if they can use this as an alternate source of SRs, but another question still stands...Where will the people source the trannys from?...

use the KA one...

Post by **Onizuka** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

or just get a sr20de transmission, i think they have the same gearing.

Post by **ZERO** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

That is going to be one royal pain in the a$s. Getting the engine in one place and getting the transmission from another source...Just the extra footwork you will be paying for will make the price go up anyway.

Post by **ItzGenX** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Well besides Japan and Malaysia, doesn't Europe have a bunch of SRs too?

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:47 pm

europe has a bunch of CA's sir

Possible sr20det shortage??

Possible sr20det shortage??

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