Popular Mechanics: Infiniti G37 vs Hyundai Genesis Coupe

[Epik151]

http://www.popularmechanics.co....html

Edmunds

1st Place: 2010 Genesis Coupe"Gorgeous, capable and intuitive, the Genesis offers textbook rear-drive reward at a bargain-basement price."

2nd Place: 2009 G37S Coupe"Potent, proven and pricey, the G does everything better - just not in proportion to its additional costs."

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...60233



Modified by Epik151 at 9:56 AM 2/27/2009

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

But it is still a Hyundai!

DJ

[370Z/28]

Geeze....what total copy cats. Even the rims look the same.



Aren't there any kind of copyright laws??

Look at how the G is all dirty and the Genesis is clean.

[joe603]

Not a good comparison. The Genesis coupe was made to compete with the Ford Mustang.

They should stick with new home technology and stay away from reviewing cars.

[Poyzinous]

If I had 33 grand, I would not buy a Genesis. Instead, I would wait till I had 3k more and get a G. The Genesis is new and untested. No one knows if it will catastrophically fail in 2 years. Besides, There are WAY bigger things to compare. The Genesis is a standard coupe, not a luxury coupe. Its like comparing an M45 to a Maybach. First place, M45. It is just as fast and handles and brakes just as well. And it still seats 4 in comfort. what?No, the Genesis is nice, but it still isn't comparable to the G. When you compare the G and a 335, there are very few differences in features and amenities and etc. However many more in a comparo between these 2...

[Jacko3]

The Genesis Coupe is just as powerful as the IS350. No doubt, even the IS 350 is a tad faster than the G-37. Once again, the issue of relaibility is significantly ignored in these tests. So far, data shows that the G-37 has far less issues after abuse than many cars in its category. Consumer report bears them out. here is evidence to what i am talking about.

http://consumerguideauto.howst...2.htm

Here is the data for the same model year BMW

http://consumerguideauto.howst...2.htm

Here is data for Hyundai's top end car----the Azera--no data available for the Genesis, yet.

http://consumerguideauto.howst...2.htm

I would generally say that Infiniti tries to balance driveability with reliability. This same relaibility issue, where the BMW 3.35i was claimed to have spanked the G-37, became apparent as well---purpotedly with fuel pump issues, turbo problems, etc. I am not sure how well the Genesis Coupe will hold up under severe torture. But we do know how the g-37 will hold up---it will hold up excellently.

Data does not lie. I would advise any automotive magazine to be cautious about their overall perception of the Genesis as a product and as a matter of customer experience. Infiniti's warranty work, is second to none. So, Hyundai still has to prove to the world that they are reliable and that their warranty and customer service operations, will meet or exceed those of Infiniti. Acceleration and braking isn't all there is in fully assessing a car.

[tollboothwilley]

Every post that Epik has is about Hyundais.

Do a search on his posts.

GO AWAY! You're just a fire starter.

The only reason they compare is because they have attempted to copy the G in everything except options and quality. G37 is obviously their benchmark.

[G37 Man]

Please don't post articles that are meaningless,an Infiniti G compared to a Hyundai?

If you own a G37 and compare the quality of the Infiniti to a Hundai,you would see the difference like apple to oranges.

I drive an original and not a knockoff for a reason!

[infinitgkid]

I really like the Genesis... I would love to at least test drive one to see for what it's like for myself

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

Please don't post articles that are meaningless,an Infiniti G compared to a Hyundai?

If you own a G37 and compare the quality of the Infiniti to a Hundai,you would see the difference like apple to oranges.

I drive an original and not a knockoff for a reason!

I like the fire... I get to tell them that an Infiniti is way better than a Hyundai

[tollboothwilley]

I guarantee you that the Hyundai falls apart like ever other hyundai before it...

I drove my friends car today for about 10 min. The whole time I couldn't help but think "Everything in this car is cheap". Thats how I feel every time I get into a Hyundai. It gives the appearance of quality to the untrained eye. Buy eventually they always learn...

[Epik151]

Well it's common knowledge Hyundai's reliability is on par or better than Honda/Toyota.
Modified by Epik151 at 5:00 AM 3/2/2009

[notalk]

Not a good comparison. The Genesis coupe was made to compete with the Ford Mustang.

They should stick with new home technology and stay away from reviewing cars.

I realize you are a moderator here, but, you are flat wrong on both of your points. According to Hyundai, their target was the G coupe. Some people look at only at a price point comparison and decide the Mustang must be the competitor. Look at the similarities between the G coupe and the Genesis coupe. It is clear Hyundai is going after the Infiniti and not a Mustang or Camaro.

Second, Popular Mechanics only reprinted the Edmunds comparison. Popular Mechanics did not actually do the comparison.

[notalk]

Please don't post articles that are meaningless,an Infiniti G compared to a Hyundai?

If you own a G37 and compare the quality of the Infiniti to a Hundai,you would see the difference like apple to oranges.

I drive an original and not a knockoff for a reason!

Actually, you, like the rest of us here, do drive a knockoff. We drive a knockoff BMW.

Moderators, please retitle this thread to "It's okay for us to bash BMW's but it's not okay for Hyundai owners to bash us! (Also, it's okay to post wrong and incorrect facts if they happen to support my views.)"

[av8or]

I guarantee you that the Hyundai falls apart like ever other hyundai before it...

I drove my friends car today for about 10 min. The whole time I couldn't help but think "Everything in this car is cheap". Thats how I feel every time I get into a Hyundai. It gives the appearance of quality to the untrained eye. Buy eventually they always learn...

people like you said the same thing about nissan during the early 80's... back then, good japanese cars were either mitsubishi or toyota.. nissan was a POS.. we had a nissan then, a 2nd gen sentra and barely a year when the suspension gave way, we also had a mitsubishi galant '80 which never gave us problems... i know "hyundai" has a long hill to climb.. but they are slowly getting there...don't be hating just coz the '09 genesis can beat your g35 hands down... so, how do you like your nissan now?

[joker350gt]

Its an impresive car none the less, but at the end of the day IF money isnt an issue and pure power and handling is the the G37 wins.

Now wait 5 years and see what the resalve value of both cars is and how much you have spent on serivice and how many recalls haven beem issued, and them come back and brag about the car.

G37 is still the better car, just not the most practical any more.

[av8or]

Actually, you, like the rest of us here, do drive a knockoff. We drive a knockoff BMW.

Moderators, please retitle this thread to "It's okay for us to bash BMW's but it's not okay for Hyundai owners to bash us! (Also, it's okay to post wrong and incorrect facts if they happen to support my views.)"

well said ++1....stop with the " my car is better than your car" mentality... you guys ever drove a ferrari? rent one for a day, and see how you feel about your precious g35... don't get me wrong, i love my g35... i just don't go around bashing other cars..

[G37 Man]

well said ++1....stop with the " my car is better than your car" mentality... you guys ever drove a ferrari? rent one for a day, and see how you feel about your precious g35... don't get me wrong, i love my g35... i just don't go around bashing other cars..

I could tell you how I feel if I drove a GT-R and then drove a Ferrari,now that is comparing an apples to apples performance car!

[G37 Man]

Actually, you, like the rest of us here, do drive a knockoff. We drive a knockoff BMW.

Moderators, please retitle this thread to "It's okay for us to bash BMW's but it's not okay for Hyundai owners to bash us! (Also, it's okay to post wrong and incorrect facts if they happen to support my views.)"

When the BMW has an interior like the G-37 with it's superior quality and Electronics than I will accept the G-37 is a knockoff of the BMW!

[370Z/28]

When I was looking at cars, the BMW was a lot more expensive to get the performance and options that I have in my G.

[G37 Man]

A little dated but here is an example of way Nissan is better and by the way how does BMW stack up? Where is Hyundai? they got no track record!

Ward's Auto releases annual 10 Best Engines list

It's the beginning of December, and that means it's time once again for Ward's Auto to release its 10 Best Engines list. The winners for 2007 - the 13th year for the awards - are as follows:

* Audi AG 2L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3) * BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6 (Z4 3.0si) * BMW AG 3L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i) * DaimlerChrysler AG 3L DOHC V-6 turbodiesel (Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec/Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD) * DaimlerChrysler AG Hemi 5.7L OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C) * Ford Motor Co. Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Ford Edge/Lincoln MKX) * Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT/Mustang Shelby GT) * Mazda Motor Corp. 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3) * Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35) * Toyota Motor Corp. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

Three of these - the pressurized Bimmer straight-six, Ford's Duratec, and the DCX turbodiesel - appear for the first time. Displaced from last year's list are GM's turbocharged Ecotec I-4 and HV V6, and Audi's V8 missed the cut as well. Nissan's VQ35 (above) makes its 13th appearance, and maintains its status as the only engine to appear on the list every year since the inception.

[Jacko3]

http://car-reviews.automobile..../1094/

Hyundai is now beating Toyota at their own game, reliability.

Modified by Epik151 at 3:01 AM 2/28/2009

You had posted a JD Power and Associates Name Plate Reliability ranking on another thread. Well, here is my comment, again.

A dependability study is exactly that, a study. This means, all models maybe grouped into the same pot for a single but not specific study. Thus, the sub title of the study, "Name Plate" ranking. This study has no bearing on actual data when you want to compare one model against its equivalent competition. I provided data on actual model reliability. So, your data does little to support specific reliability issues. In fact, the data you supplied, could be affected by one well built model in the auto-line up of the manufacturers. That specific model may be smoothing out the data for that auto manufacturer in such a way that it obfuscates actual data for each specific model in the auto manufacturers stable. Again, JD Power and Associates NamePlate ranking, does not provide specific evidence of which model is reliable and which model is unreliable. Go back to the link I supplied and you can be more specific about which model and its competition, are reliable. I work with data all the time and i do actual research and so I know how numbers behave and what specific studies are supposed to represent. That study, does little to extinguish the terrible record of a Hyndai Azera----one of Hyundai's top cars, but also does little to suggest that the Genesis will be equally bad. "

[Epik151]

A little dated but here is an example of way Nissan is better and by the way how does BMW stack up? Where is Hyundai? they got no track record!

Ward's Auto releases annual 10 Best Engines list

It's the beginning of December, and that means it's time once again for Ward's Auto to release its 10 Best Engines list. The winners for 2007 - the 13th year for the awards - are as follows:

* Audi AG 2L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3) * BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6 (Z4 3.0si) * BMW AG 3L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i) * DaimlerChrysler AG 3L DOHC V-6 turbodiesel (Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec/Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD) * DaimlerChrysler AG Hemi 5.7L OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C) * Ford Motor Co. Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Ford Edge/Lincoln MKX) * Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT/Mustang Shelby GT) * Mazda Motor Corp. 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3) * Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35) * Toyota Motor Corp. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

Three of these - the pressurized Bimmer straight-six, Ford's Duratec, and the DCX turbodiesel - appear for the first time. Displaced from last year's list are GM's turbocharged Ecotec I-4 and HV V6, and Audi's V8 missed the cut as well. Nissan's VQ35 (above) makes its 13th appearance, and maintains its status as the only engine to appear on the list every year since the inception.

It's interesting you bring up Wards but fail to use the latest top 10 list from December 2008.

The winners for 2008 (engine and tested vehicle):

* Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)

* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)

* BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)

* Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)

* Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)

* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)

* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)

* Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)

* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

* Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strai....html

Unfortunately for your case, Hyundai is now up there and Nissan/Infiniti is not

[G37 Man]

for

It's interesting you bring up Wards but fail to use the latest top 10 list from December 2008.

The winners for 2008 (engine and tested vehicle):

* Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)

* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)

* BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)

* Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)

* Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)

* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)

* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)

* Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)

* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

* Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strai....html

Unfortunately for your case, Hyundai is now up there and Nissan/Infiniti is not

For 13 years straight Nissan was rated 10 best,when Hyundai does the same for 13 years straight let me know,that is the point,Nissan followed no one it is the other way around.

[Epik151]

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For 13 years straight Nissan was rated 10 best,when Hyundai does the same for 13 years straight let me know,that is the point,Nissan followed no one it is the other way around.

lol tough to face the truth eh?
Modified by Epik151 at 4:55 AM 3/2/2009

[G37 Man]

you tal

Oh, come on! Really? You're not even going to give Hyundai a nod of acknowledgment for it?

Just a few posts ago it was how Hyundai has "no track record" but now it's up on Ward's just like you were saying about Nissan.

Now they have to be on it 13 years!? I agree with you it's quite an achievement for Nissan obviously but to be honest, I'm not sure I'll remember this in 13 years to let you know how Hyundai is doing.

You gotta give them some respect with the progress they're making

You talk about quality and how Nissan is following BMW,nobody was on that list for 13 years straight.When you have a quality car you don't need a gimmick like a 10 year warranty to sell cars.

I am sure Hyundai will not be on it for 13 years straight but if that is what you set your standards on when looking for a car to buy that is your choice mine is something different and that is why I drive a Infiniti/Nissan!

[Epik151]

[Tonysg35]

im not sure why you guys seem to be getting mad here, both are sharp looking cars and you CANT said no to that, we will just have to see what the Genesis will bring to the table in the next few years, i saw one today and it looks nice, im in the middle, Genesis being a new car i dont know whats going to happen to it but it is also 6-8k less from what i am finding where i live but i love the Gs, if i had to buy one right now it would be the G because i know how good Infiniti is and what they make, HYundai i dont know so much about.
Modified by Tonysg35 at 2:35 AM 3/1/2009

[zozoka1212]

I think most people not hating on thwese cars they hating on people like the op who goes forum to forum and post the same just for looking for trouble. I understand he is korean and he is proud of it but c'mon. Be a grown up man. To go the myis, my350z and all other carforums and waste all the people's time. Even if I was considered the Genesis it would turn me off just due to all these crap. LOL I guess whatever works for people. He reminds me of the other Hyundai dude. sababssbfowrgjeirgj or whatever his name is.

You are right. It is almost as good looking as the G37. However they should of copy the whole car. Maybe it would of have been trouble free. The Genesis sedan owners are not hapy due to the rough ride and noe the coupe owners won't be either. Apperently they screwed up the calibration of the tacho and no it cuts the power at redline for 3 seconds. So if you screw up one shift than your 0-60 will be 9.4 seconds instead of 6.4 seconds which is well slow anyways.

What Hyundai does well let sell them anyways. Maybe they will fix it later. Maybe not.

Edmunds saysBut Hyundai Doesn't Quite Trust UsAt our test track, the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track hits 60 mph in 6.4 seconds (or 6.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip) and goes through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 97.9 mph.

Those numbers are fine, but short of Hyundai's "under 6 seconds" 0-60 claim and suspiciously pokey for a car with more than 300 hp. The overweight G37 is over half a second quicker through the quarter-mile at 13.8 seconds at 102 mph, even with 330 hp at its command. Also consider that the 128i, which is 300 pounds lighter than the Genesis but down 76 hp, easily keeps up, recording a 14.3-second quarter-mile at 96.5 mph.It's impossible to say exactly why the Genesis coupe isn't putting up better numbers. But we do know that there's a torque-reduction feature on this car that would suck some of the fun out of Conrod Straight. Accelerate hard in 1st gear and then do a hard upshift to 2nd at or just before the marked 6,500-rpm redline. You'll get your upshift, but as the revs drop back, you'll feel an additional, artificial cut in power. It lasts for about 3 seconds.Hyundai says this is a drivetrain protection measure that's triggered at 6,800 rpm (the engine's true redline). However, the car's tachometer lags behind actual engine rpm, so it takes trial and error to find a shift point that keeps you out of the protection zone. Oddly enough, you don't get any intervention until you actually complete your upshift — you can ride the engine to the rev limiter with impunity."There's some talk about minimizing the delay, so that it's maybe just a second, but nothing has been signed off," Miles Johnson, Hyundai communications manager, tells us. "The car is going to market with the 3-second calibration."Even a 1-second delay compromises acceleration, though. Moreover, the automatic torque reduction makes it difficult to get a smooth gearchange at even two-thirds throttle, as it exacerbates the drivetrain lash already present due to the Genesis coupe's soft engine mounts I thought they launched it in Korea for a reason. Work out the bugs before they hit the shore in Nort America. I guess I(we) was wrong.

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...42686

Also everybody said before it will be 10-15k cheaper. Well it turns out 10k but if you check the real #'s. It is even less. Since Infiniti gives you 4-5 k of. Hyundai dealer try to sell it for 3k over MSRP. Also the equipment they com with is lot less than you can get with Infiniti. No AWD no convertible, etc, etc. Not even with he sedan.

Hyundai wanted to sell 2000 sedans a month since they launched it. Never get to 2k a month. Although they knew the economy is down they thought everybody will looking for bargain. I guess not.

To be honest they are nice cars but hm no thanks. Stay with Infiniti.

Here is a good car compare I guess epik like to use jd power.

Here is Hyundai and Infiniti built quality by jdpower.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/r...brand

Here is another interesting thing. Forbes magazine did as they usually do the 10 most dangerous vehicle of the year. There was only 2 cars the rest were pickups and suv. The 2 car were Kia(which owned by Hyundai) and Hyundai. Rest were all pick up and GM built. Some Hyundai cars are still rolling out with dangerous side inpact and rear inpact ratings.

They are getting better though. So thety deserv a big .

zozo
Modified by zozoka1212 at 12:21 PM 3/1/2009

[Jacko3]

Zozo:

Awesome! Excellent!