Popular Mechanics: Infiniti G37 vs Hyundai Genesis Coupe

[zozoka1212]

[tollboothwilley]

Do a search on google for "Epik151"

You find nothing but saying how much better Hyundai is compared to: Audi, Infiniti, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porche, Lexus

I'm done reading anything he posts.

[uncbeers]

I don't understand his reasoning either. His profile even states he owns a CTS-V so is he just going around to every forum and saying Genesis is better than everything (save the CTS-V)? Is he trying to justify his own inferior feelings or something...angry Honda owner?

Even if Hyundai is directly targeting Infiniti, good! As consumers, that only means we will win in the end. Infiniti will step it up and offer what the Hyundai can't in the coming years and Hyundai will try to match it with a lower price tag. All that ultimately translates to is a win-win situation for us. Thank God for competition!

[zozoka1212]

I don't understand his reasoning either. His profile even states he owns a CTS-V so is he just going around to every forum and saying Genesis is better than everything (save the CTS-V)? Is he trying to justify his own inferior feelings or something...angry Honda owner?

Even if Hyundai is directly targeting Infiniti, good! As consumers, that only means we will win in the end. Infiniti will step it up and offer what the Hyundai can't in the coming years and Hyundai will try to match it with a lower price tag. All that ultimately translates to is a win-win situation for us. Thank God for competition!

He probably owns a Hyundai. Maybe he was looking for a Genesis coupe and try to justify his buy here and all other forums he posted and sure he'll post. If I wasn't as lazy and would be stupid enough I would register in all other forums and post the same. I am ust too lazy.

You are right about we all going to win. I just don't get why he spend hours and hours daily ang go forum to forum just to do this crap. Oh well.

I don't think it is a korean thing for him tho. I have few Korean friends and they are actually hate Korean cars and most products from their own country. But it seems to be the opposite with this Korean dude and the other Korean dude from the past. I am from europe and don't go around and try to save a ll the europian cars. Maybe they are the same who knows. With these guys hard to beileve anything.

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If I wasn't as lazy and would be stupid enough I would register in all other forums and post the same. I am ust too lazy.

[Epik151]

I'm neither Korean nor a Hyundai owner, just an enthusiast who adores these type of cars and how they affect insecure people.

This car is so much better than the GTR was.



In any case, this is simply a thread where someone posted a G related article. You should be grateful.


Modified by Epik151 at 6:24 AM 3/2/2009

[ACoupe]

Epik151 = Epic Fail.

Quote »"im not sure why you guys seem to be getting mad here, both are sharp looking cars and you CANT said no to that"[/quote]Yes they are because Hyundai aped the G for all it was worth.

Nice performance at a good price. But I'd rather have my G.

[Poyzinous]

Lets get a few things straight here, Epik151The Genesis looks like a Tiburon who went through massive reconstructive surgery and megaton facelifts to TRY and look like its idol, the G37. Then Hyundai tries to build a bigger motor, manages to make less hp, and rev much lower, and can't touch the G37 in the speed department. They try to make up for those shortcomings by infusing a little bit of bargain luxury into it. However the G37 has options and features that come STANDARD that are nothing but a forgotten point on hyundai's powerpoint presentation to the world, that couldn't be custom installed with even the largest batch of imagination. The difference between Infiniti going after BMW and Mercedes a few years back and what Hyundai is trying to muster up to Infiniti now is that Infiniti aimed for their target, and hit bullseyes every time. When they didn't, it was darn close. The Genesis aims at the G37, takes an extra step forward when no one is watching, and fires an arrow that grazes into the very edge of their target, missing the bullseye completeley, but hitting their target far off where they wanted to hit it. I applaud the Genesis. I think it is absolutely adorable. Going after a big boy, tsk tsk. If Infiniti wanted to, they could remove all the features from the G that the Genesis doesn't have, lower their quality somewhat, and cut costs here and there, and make a car priced cent for cent with the Genesis, and you know what? It would still be the better car. Genesis owners would say 'Hey look! a G37 priced equal to my....uh...Dreamcast? Saturn? oh, yeah, Genesis! I can have a G instead of settling for this inferior knockoff!Infiniti managed to meet or exceed every aspect necessary to be put with or ahead the Germans once superior competition. Hyundai is close, but close don't cut it.

[Jacko3]

Lets get a few things straight here, Epik151The Genesis looks like a Tiburon who went through massive reconstructive surgery and megaton facelifts to TRY and look like its idol, the G37. Then Hyundai tries to build a bigger motor, manages to make less hp, and rev much lower, and can't touch the G37 in the speed department. They try to make up for those shortcomings by infusing a little bit of bargain luxury into it. However the G37 has options and features that come STANDARD that are nothing but a forgotten point on hyundai's powerpoint presentation to the world, that couldn't be custom installed with even the largest batch of imagination. The difference between Infiniti going after BMW and Mercedes a few years back and what Hyundai is trying to muster up to Infiniti now is that Infiniti aimed for their target, and hit bullseyes every time. When they didn't, it was darn close. The Genesis aims at the G37, takes an extra step forward when no one is watching, and fires an arrow that grazes into the very edge of their target, missing the bullseye completeley, but hitting their target far off where they wanted to hit it. I applaud the Genesis. I think it is absolutely adorable. Going after a big boy, tsk tsk. If Infiniti wanted to, they could remove all the features from the G that the Genesis doesn't have, lower their quality somewhat, and cut costs here and there, and make a car priced cent for cent with the Genesis, and you know what? It would still be the better car. Genesis owners would say 'Hey look! a G37 priced equal to my....uh...Dreamcast? Saturn? oh, yeah, Genesis! I can have a G instead of settling for this inferior knockoff!Infiniti managed to meet or exceed every aspect necessary to be put with or ahead the Germans once superior competition. Hyundai is close, but close don't cut it.

You are hilariously excellent in the way you write and express yourself. It is so much fun reading your write-up. I love it. I really think you should have another title, may be, "Nico's Poet II". You have a unique gift of expressing yourself in the most creative of ways. Keep it up.

[Poyzinous]

did you read my other posts? I think i made some pretty good ones while you were out. The Matic J one is my fav. If I knew how to post links, well i'll try. http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/402966

[zozoka1212]

I'm neither Korean nor a Hyundai owner, just an enthusiast who adores these type of cars and how they affect insecure people.Modified by Epik151 at 6:24 AM 3/2/2009

insecure ha. LOL not really. There is nothing other than the look to compare the 2 cars. Performance wise they are behind the G(6.4 if you are lucky if not 9.4 sec), Luxury wise they are way behind the G, Built quality they are way behind the G. They don't even offer GPS. LOL You can get a gps with the entry cars on now if you wish. Not on the Genesis coupe tho. Here you go the new camaro running 6.1 seconds and they tweak it to get it to 5.9 seconds.http://www.motortrend.com/feat....html

My friend if you ever owned an entry luxury or luxury car you would know the differences when you see and feel the car. Also as I said before no convertible no AWD which is well you know people prefer that (some places) once you get to the luxury limit.

If you look at the sale of Hyundai there is an easy answer how much they actually gained here in NA. The 2000 pcs was because they thought that would be a good gain. They used to sell around 1000 azeras. So from that point selling 1000 Genesis sedans are no gain especially when your sale on Azera drops to 200-300. That tells me people who would end up buying Azera ended up buying the Genesis sedan.

See it yourself. Add the numbers together see what you get. Last year january sale of the Azera almost = with This January sale of Azera and the Genesis together. Hm interesting. So they really sold extra maybe 200 "high end" cars.HYundai still cutting corners. When you cutting too many corners you end up in a cirlce as probably you know since you go nowhere it looks like anyways.

BTW their top is 33K for the Genesis coupe. You could of buy a 2008 G35Xs sedan for 32k fully loaded. Which is more lot more car than the beloved Genesis coupe. It is even faster which is not a big thing. Almost every peformance car faster than 6.4 seconds.

32K is a teritory for Subaru WRX, Camaro you don't even have to get the biger engine. You need the 3.6 liter engine and it would do better than 6.4 second with better hwy gasmilage. Also G8,G6 GTP, Cobalt ss. Some of them even cheaper and faster with the same options or more. Genesis does not offer more than those cars so to me that is the teritory for the Genesis coupe.

[Jacko3]

Zozo:

I am always extremely impressed with the way you systematically and surgically take apart the statistics on cars. It is so precise and compelling that it is scary. That is awesome. Well done!

Her is another article on the Genesis Coupe, supporting your comments, from the same motortrend site.

http://www.motortrend.com/road....html
Modified by Jacko3 at 11:27 AM 3/2/2009

[Epik151]

6.4-9.4 seconds 0-60?

[joe603]

It's interesting you bring up Wards but fail to use the latest top 10 list from December 2008.

The winners for 2008 (engine and tested vehicle):

* Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)

* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)

* BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)

* Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)

* Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)

* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)

* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)

* Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)

* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

* Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strai....html

Unfortunately for your case, Hyundai is now up there and Nissan/Infiniti is not

The coupe (which is the car we're discussing) does not offer the V8. The Genesis coupe and sedan are totally different cars.

[joe603]

I realize you are a moderator here, but, you are flat wrong on both of your points. According to Hyundai, their target was the G coupe. Some people look at only at a price point comparison and decide the Mustang must be the competitor. Look at the similarities between the G coupe and the Genesis coupe. It is clear Hyundai is going after the Infiniti and not a Mustang or Camaro.

Second, Popular Mechanics only reprinted the Edmunds comparison. Popular Mechanics did not actually do the comparison.

Really....prove it. I've read that the Genesis coupe has a target of the Ford Mustang...

http://jalopnik.com/369509/201...ealed

Another...from a MotorTrend article

"In our instrumented handling tests, the 3.8 Track cars recorded lateral acceleration of 0.90 g (manual) and 0.91 g (auto), and figure-eight runs of 26.2 seconds at 0.67 g and 26.3 at 0.68. Again, these figures outgun those of the upper-echelon Jag XK (0.89, 26.8 at 0.66), but not of its two main rivals, the Mustang GT and 370Z. Ditto for 60-to-0 braking, which, at 111 feet, is just shy of the spans from the Ford (108) and the Nissan (109). As usual, credit goes to the Track model's unfaltering Brembo braking system, which uses meaty monobloc fixed calipers and substantial 13.4-inch front/13.0-inch rear vented rotors."

http://www.motortrend.com/road....html

I didn't read the PM full article...but I assumed that since your title was "Popular Mechanics: Infiniti g37 vs Hyundai Genesis Coupe", they wrote the article. I shouldn't have assumed that you posted a correct statement.

[thahman]

It's interesting how different the numbers are from MotorTrend (5.5) to Edmunds (6.4) to 60.... I think the Genesis Coupe will be a decent car, kind of sucks how there is competition. People are going to be just as annoying with them as Civic Sis, Corollas, etc.

[marlin29311]

So if the Hyundai is so amazing Epik, why do you have a CTS-V?

[C-Kwik]

WTF?

"Accelerating the Genesis quickly can be tricky because of a drivetrain protection feature built into its engine calibration. Shift the Genesis coupe aggressively at redline and you'll occasionally experience a power cut in your target gear which lasts 3 seconds. "

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Translation = Hyundai doesn't trust you to take their car from 0-xx quickly so don't try it. They don't want to actually do warranty work.