Pole: Can FWD Drift?

[Megaseth]

isnt hella a banned word on this forum?

and a 240 is interesting in the snow, to say the least. if people arent going to say FWD cars can drift, then RWD cars in the snow/rain cant be considered drifting because the water has a lower coefficient of friction than pavement making it easier to slide.

[w1ngzer0]

isnt hella a banned word on this forum?

and a 240 is interesting in the snow, to say the least. if people arent going to say FWD cars can drift, then RWD cars in the snow/rain cant be considered drifting because the water has a lower coefficient of friction than pavement making it easier to slide.

i don't concider snow sliding drifting im just saying its easier to control. Once you loose control in a FWD there is nothing you can do.

[nametakennow]

In a FWD you point and click. Put the wheels in the right direction and get on the gas and you're usually going to be okay. Unless you're spinning, in which case you're flat out screwed.

[StrangeLove]

FWD cannot drift!

They can slide, but I'd like to see a ff car travel sideways like in D1. Show me that, and I'll say that fwd can drift

I saw the cv4 video, thats not drifting...

[scruffy63]

FWD cannot drift!

They can slide, but I'd like to see a ff car travel sideways like in D1. Show me that, and I'll say that fwd can drift

I saw the cv4 video, thats not drifting...

Drifting is a controlled slide.rwd is better 20 times better for drifting thats why there is no fwd in d1. but just watch. one day you will see a fwd in d1 and he could win just b/c of originality:ylsuper I'm not really a fwd fan I just think they can drift.

[StrangeLove]

So by your logic I can drift with my bicycle! Sweet! I'm going to go do that right now! I'm going to lock my rear wheel, and go into a controlled slide, this is going to be so sweet! I'm going to be a drift masta!

[/sarcasm]

fwd cannot drift

[scruffy63]

motorcycles can drift. watch a video of dirt bikes racing, they actually do drift.your bicycle probably can drift. you should try it and let me know what happens.lol, just don't kill yourself. the only prob would be breaking traction(bikes are not fast enough)

[StrangeLove]

A better example would be a tricycle, they are front wheel drive, I'm going to try and drift a tricycle

[krazy skwerel]

You know there are Bicycle drifting comps. Those kids are crazy.

[Mr1der]

A better example would be a tricycle, they are front wheel drive, I'm going to try and drift a tricycle

big wheel driftin' ain't easy son.

[Bubba1]

...especially if you're an adult.

[Megaseth]

we're still waiting on pics James...

[downshift]

FWD cars can drift imo. Of course RWD cars do it better and longer but i still think both types can.

[skydragoness]

All drifting is is controlled oversteer and the use of weight transfer. People seem to think that just because a car is fwd it cannot experience oversteer--wrong. Any car, and i mean any car can exhibit all 3 handling characteristics (oversteer, neutral, understeer) on a course depending on how the suspension was setup/varying conditions, the chassis' design-- etc. A fwd car could be set up for oversteer, i.e. a rear sway bar at its most rigid setting, but still the "drift" or the "slide" could only be executed at the first part of the apex until the front wheels ultimately gain traction and pull the car through. So theorectically, a fwd could 'drift' but a rwd car does it much better, and can carry it beyond the turn just because of the drivetrain (which is the whole damn point of drifting exhibitions). I won't bring up rally driving into this because any car can be pitched into a slide because of the general poor traction that dirt and gravel offers.

[spec-u-later]

No because it cannot maintain the slide. It will die out and stop or straighten back up. It's over glorified arse sliding at its best. Try it without and ebrake or do a 360 from a dead stop.

[StrangeLove]

No because it cannot maintain the slide. It will die out and stop or straighten back up. It's over glorified arse sliding at its best. Try it without and ebrake or do a 360 from a dead stop.

EXACTLY

[scruffy63]

well then explain y e-brake drifting is in the drift bible?

[StrangeLove]

Its there to induce oversteer. You e-brake to brake the rear traction, and then hold the drift via throttle

makes sense to me at least...

[downshift]

Its there to induce oversteer. You e-brake to brake the rear traction

Isnt that what FWD cars do? Do they not do that to intiate drift? Using the e-brake is one way to drift.....it may be a little odd since FWD cars do a hell of a lot more than RWD cars but the fact remains. FWD cars drift.

[scruffy63]

very very true. all cars can be drifted IMO. it just takes work.

[StrangeLove]

Isnt that what FWD cars do? Do they not do that to intiate drift? Using the e-brake is one way to drift.....it may be a little odd since FWD cars do a hell of a lot more than RWD cars but the fact remains. FWD cars drift.

You can't just ignore the other part of my post to try and make it seem as if you are right. FWD can oversteer, but they cannot drift, oversteering is not drifting, it is only a part of drifting

[scruffy63]

the point is they can make the back tires break traction then countersteer to hold. I know its only for a second but it does happen. it happens for 1 second not 0 seconds(if that makes any sense)

[nametakennow]

I've broken my rear end loose before, both on pavement (sorta accidental, but whatever) and on dirt. On dirt, well... whatever, everyone knows that dirt is too easy. On pavement the rear came out a little, the car slide sideways (aka powerslide), and then instincts kicked in, pointed the wheels dead ahead and hit the gas.

My point is that by your definition, powersliding (and thus arse sliding) is drifting, but then why would we have different terms? Because they are different things.

[downshift]

It is true that they are two different things, but I still and will always think that FWD, RWD, and AWD cars can drift. Powersliding and drifting are two different things, but some people confuse the two because they sometimes look similar. One last thing.....nametakennow why dont you give me your definiton of powersliding and drifting? You will see how they may be confused with one another.

Sorry bout that pills....didnt mean to offend you by only using part of your post. Ahhh.....perfect example. I only used part of your post but i still quoted your post right? Oversteering is only part of drifting but i think all of us would agree that it is an important part so it is needed in driftin. I would not so strongly stick with my decision if people were not out there in the world trying it out right now.....sure they may not be as successful as if they were to drift a RWD car but it still can be done. So like i said before, mostly all types can drift.....fact remains that RWD cars and do it better and longer.

[scruffy63]

correct me if i'm wrong the power over(powerslide) is a form of drifting according to the drift bible.

[Stuntman240]

i drifted my old ff. it was on a mountain road upstate new york. it was in the dry and i didnt use my e-brake, i ushifted instead of downshifting. the *** slid out and i had to control it through the entire turn literally drifting it(and barely touching the throttle) or i was going to be getting really personal w/ some cows. FWD can drift its just not what you are used to. and they do have bicycle drifting competitions in japan.

[downshift]

I believe you are correct Scruffy power over IS a form of drifting. And stuntman's "accident" is yet more proof that its possible. But dang, bicycles drifting.......that must be a kool sight to see.

[scruffy63]

if anybody has a vid of these bikes drift you should post it. i'm sure we all want to see.

[C-Kwik]

A fwd car could be set up for oversteer, i.e. a rear sway bar at its most rigid setting, but still the "drift" or the "slide" could only be executed at the first part of the apex until the front wheels ultimately gain traction and pull the car through. So theorectically, a fwd could 'drift' but a rwd car does it much better, and can carry it beyond the turn just because of the drivetrain (which is the whole damn point of drifting exhibitions). I won't bring up rally driving into this because any car can be pitched into a slide because of the general poor traction that dirt and gravel offers.

Well frankly, I wouldn't consider a RWD car does that to be drifting either. Being able to sustain it and control it is the important part. Anyone can pull an e-brake. Doesn;t mean that they are drifting when they do. I still maintain that until I see turns 8 and 9 of willow springs drifted in it's entirety by a FWD car, I won't consider an FWD car to be driftable. Keep in mind the turns together is probably about half a mile long and is a high speed turn. A FWD car would need to have a lot of momentum to be able to slide that ling. And it wouldn't be able to turn in at those kinds of speeds at all. It would just slide right off. But feel free to try to prove me wrong...

[StrangeLove]

Any car can slide... but a drift is a MAINTAINED slide. FWD cars CANNOT keep a slide going under its own power. Don't even try to pretend, its just not happening, its not possible. Not now, not even, done, end of story.