plz dont be too biased mustang vs. 240sx

[rubin]

OK heres the thing, I'm not planning to do an sr or kaT swap or anything, maybe a few mods here and there jus to keep me occupied

I'm having a hard time deciding between an s13 240 and a fox body stang(please dont hate)

heres the way i see it240sx PROS: looks, handling, gas milagerustang PROS: WAY faster (like 14.5s 1/4 stock), cheaper to supe up

please if your just gonna flame me then dont post... i jus need some un-biased opinions

EDIT: also the mustang community is much bigger here then the 240 is so lota support there too

[Bruno240]

well the 240sx does not have much power unless u turbo it or swap the motor. the KA is a great motor, just doesnt have that much horsepower with a turbo.

the 240sx will always handel better than a fox body.

so basically if you want to go fast in a straight line you cant beat a fox body mustang. many cars cannot beat a foxbody mustang with all the aftermarket for the stang and its cheap to upgrade.

now if you want to go fast in the curves get the 240sx. it is a great handler and with a few upgrades it can be a lot of fun.

cliffnotes- 240sx if u want handelingstang- if u want to go fast in a straigh line

[flohtingPoint]

Foxbody's dont do too bad in SCCA either. I'd go with the stang. Cheaper to upgrade, easier to find parts, less fanboy factor.

[rubin]

yah been looking into it and if i would put like a 1000 bux into the stang I could get some subframe connectors, shocks, springs

[rubin]

Thisis the look im looking for.... this is a gt, i would preffer an lx coupe, black with blacked out headlights and tail lights

i think that looks soooooooooo mean

[4felix20]

i've driven a few different mustangs.

i was NOT impressed.

[madbouncy]

I'd go with the 240 but that's because I prefer going fast around corners. Hence why I bought the car over something like a mustang. However, the mustang will be way easier and way faster for straight line. If you just want speed, go with the mustang. Also I live near chicago, so it's easy for me to find parts. The shop I go to will usually beat most prices I find online.

I also love flip ups, so that was part of it.

[4felix20]

that looks nice though.

[GrubyFngaz]

I can only say this which might not help. My fiance owns a 2001 Mustang and it is a horrible car. It sucks on gas, handles horrible, and it is very heavy. I have never driven a fox body so I don't know if they compare at all. But if they are anything like the newer ones I would definetly say stick with the 240.Josh

[TurboSilvia7587]

well if the mustang community is bigger then i would say go with the 240 to be different

[AZhitman]

5-liter fox body stang: Awesome drivetrain in a crap package.

2.4 liter 240sx: Weak drivetrain in an awesome package.

I'd love a 93 LX 5.0 droptop, white on white.

[Juujai]

a lot of wrong info everyone spreads about the mustang. being too heavy and handling like crap. would i buy one? no haha butit weighs 3300lbs, pretty decent handling pushing quite a bit of hp and good torque at 3-4krpm. decently built it could probably run with supras and nsxs.

if 3300lbs is heavy then what about gtr, supra, evo, nsx.

if you compare 3klbs to like an lightweight car like the mr-s or like a crx then itll seem like the handling is crap.

i'd probably never buy a mustang thats like hell no haha but fake rumors spreading around is gay.

[AZhitman]

^ Agreed.

They're not a bad handling car, and with a couple grand invested, make a MEAN track car or street machine.

Just crappy build quality, especially the interior components and fit & finish.

Of course, S13 door panels suck, the dashes crack, and the console falls apart...

[Nismo_Freak]

You gotta be kidding me... a fox body is about as nimble as I am on ice. The chassis is absolute crap, evident by the nice creaking and popping every Mustang I've ever been in has had.

If you want an overall well rounded American sports car then get a Corvette. If you want cheap go-fast then get the Mustang.

If you wanna spend a good amount of money for a well rounded car that looks alot better than a Fox Body then get a 240. Nothing is aestethically pleasing about a brick on wheels.

[rubin]

if 3300lbs is heavy then what about gtr, supra, evo, nsx.

fox bodys (79-93) only weigh like 2800 lbsthen you can stick the axles from the 94+ on the back and the front spindles with brakes on there and u got 4 wheel disc brakes all around with 5 lugs

sub frame connectors (like 200 bux) some shocks and springs and it'll handle like a champ

true that stock mustangs handle and brake like crap but I've been doing some research and it doesnt take much (like 1000 bux) at all to bring it up to par

personnally i like the fox body look... looks like a really mean muscular brick on wheels (joking, but i dont mind it) especially with the blacked out lights like the picture above and maybe a 2 inch cowl hood

[Red coupe]

well it sounds like youve got your mind made up...Thats actualy same car I was looking at before I got the s13..I like my s13...

[GrilledCheese33]

get a 240, way to many stangs out on the road.

[JTinJacksonvilleNC]

You could do like I am and have the best of both worlds. Currently I'm in the progress of putting a 5.8l (351) in my '89 240SX coupe.

[MAXIMUS Nismo]

You could do like I am and have the best of both worlds. Currently I'm in the progress of putting a 5.8l (351) in my '89 240SX coupe.

^ What he said.

[flohtingPoint]

Mustangs suck at handling and 240sx's are so much better, right????

Lets take a look at the SCCA National Solo II championship vehicles. In the couple decades this competition has been going on there have been countless mustang's that have won in the various catagories.

With the above in mind, can you take a guess at how many 240sx's have won?

10? Nope5? Nope2? Nope1? NOpe

A BIG NONE! There has NEVER been a Nissan 240sx SCCA National Solo II champion. Heck, there are more VW Rabbit champions than all of Nissan put together (this is not, however, counting Datsun, as there are quite a few Datsun champions).

Dont get me wrong, I love 240sx's as much as the next guy (well, maybe not as much as the next fanboy, but you get my point). I work on them because I'm a creature of habit. I've had them ever since I was 17, and will continue to own them, and thats about the only reason why I dont switch to a focus or a miata.

[Nismo_Freak]

Mustangs suck at handling and 240sx's are so much better, right????

Lets take a look at the SCCA National Solo II championship vehicles. In the couple decades this competition has been going on there have been countless mustang's that have won in the various catagories.

With the above in mind, can you take a guess at how many 240sx's have won?

10? Nope5? Nope2? Nope1? NOpe

A BIG NONE! There has NEVER been a Nissan 240sx SCCA National Solo II champion. Heck, there are more VW Rabbit champions than all of Nissan put together (this is not, however, counting Datsun, as there are quite a few Datsun champions).

Dont get me wrong, I love 240sx's as much as the next guy (well, maybe not as much as the next fanboy, but you get my point). I work on them because I'm a creature of habit. I've had them ever since I was 17, and will continue to own them, and thats about the only reason why I dont switch to a focus or a miata.

Describe to me one handling benefit the Mustang has over the 240SX

[flohtingPoint]

Describe to me one handling benefit the Mustang has over the 240SX

Other than its not a fanboy vehicle that has been screwed over by the drift trend as far as price for parts? A broader knowledge base (they've been around for... how long? Everyone and their dog has worked on them, you can go anywhere and chat with any backwoods moonshine drinker about them), more displacement, a much better NA motor, easy interchangability with most ford products (ie: F150 rear end swaps and such), which are cheaper than Z32 items and MUCH more abundant in bone yards, more head room (which is always a plus for me, I'm 6'1 and until I chop my seat bracket in my current S13 here in Germany, I have to ride like a gangster when I wear my helmet), the list goes on.

Issues with Mustangs? Rear drum brakes, live axle, bit more weight.

Like I said, I dig 240's too, but I'm a fan of all vehicles. I'm far from being a hardcore "it better be Nissan or I'll punch you in the face" kinda guy. When you look at the success track record that the Mustang has had in Solo II, its kinda hard to say that they "cannot handle".

[Nismo_Freak]

Other than its not a fanboy vehicle that has been screwed over by the drift trend as far as price for parts? A broader knowledge base (they've been around for... how long? Everyone and their dog has worked on them, you can go anywhere and chat with any backwoods moonshine drinker about them), more displacement, a much better NA motor, easy interchangability with most ford products (ie: F150 rear end swaps and such), which are cheaper than Z32 items and MUCH more abundant in bone yards, more head room (which is always a plus for me, I'm 6'1 and until I chop my seat bracket in my current S13 here in Germany, I have to ride like a gangster when I wear my helmet), the list goes on.

Issues with Mustangs? Rear drum brakes, live axle, bit more weight.

Like I said, I dig 240's too, but I'm a fan of all vehicles. I'm far from being a hardcore "it better be Nissan or I'll punch you in the face" kinda guy. When you look at the success track record that the Mustang has had in Solo II, its kinda hard to say that they "cannot handle".

You still have yet to provide one handling benefit the Mustang has over the 240.

Anyone that is good in Solo II is at least 50% driver. This isn't an open road course where the machine can make large differences.

[flohtingPoint]

You still have yet to provide one handling benefit the Mustang has over the 240.

Anyone that is good in Solo II is at least 50% driver. This isn't an open road course where the machine can make large differences.

My bad, I didnt see handling in there. You'll have to excuse me, I work nights here in Germany now, so my body is all messed up.

As far as stock suspension layout goes, the 240 has it beat with IRS easily.

You're right about the driver part. But lemme add this. When you are a national level solo II driver, you dont play favorites. You pick a vehicle based on statistics, facts, and cost effectivity. The 240sx does not fit into any of these catagories as far as national level competitions in solo II are concerned.

[RedSVTFlareside]

rubin, you have already mistaken the picture you showed everybody. That is not a black GT. That is a 1993 Cobra. Unless someone put wheels and a badge on a GT.

Lecturing you aside, like most people are saying, the mustang is going to be MUCH faster in acceleration. The mustang can also handle great too, but stock worn out suspension is not going to make that happen. You'll want to replace/upgrade the suspension and you'll have a better car. If you want to dump mucho money, check out Griggs for parts. Engine parts are cheaper for the mustang. If you plan on open tracking the car, the first upgrade must be brakes. The brakes on the 79-93 mustang are the suck. Upgrade to the 5 lug hubs and cobra brakes or some other aftermarket company. Knock out the fog lights and put in brake ducting and only then will you possibly eliminate brake fade.

I made the decision to build a SR powered S13 over a fox body because I think I can make it go faster than a mustang on a road couse, but then again I am upgrading alot(brakes, engine, suspension, weight)

As a final note in the KA vs 302 disagreement. Who wants to hear the BUZZZZ!!!! Mustangs have to be one of the best sounding V8's in the world especially the ohc 4.6's.

I am definately a ford guy but also a nissan guy(read sig) if you're worried about biasedness. But if you aren't going to do the SR or put a turbo on the KA, I'd get the mustang.
Modified by RedSVTFlareside at 2:36 PM 5/22/2005

[cstang1968]

the 240sx will always handel better than a fox body.

not true

If you're gonna do any kind of competitive racing the fox will outhandle/brake/accel for cheaper.

Ford used the same chassis for 15 years, so aftermarket companies have a lot more experience setting them up for different types of racing. My buddy has a 93 Cobra that will run circles around my S14(tokico blues + sways).

Another + for the rustank is cheap replacement parts, also the abundance of tuning that is avail w/ the ford computer.

[cyrus240sx]

hey the only reason i have a 240 right now is because my friend wouldnt sell me his 12 sec 91 mustang gt.... and as far as handling, you can go down to griggs racing at sears point (well i can which is only 30 mins away ) and buy a suspension setup for 2k that will make a stock 5.0 with the kit beat a new m3 in the turns.... theres your handling benefit !http://www.griggsracing.com/gr40street2.html

[Juujai]

the 180sx/silvia/240 is one of the "Worst japanese made RWD sport"y" cars under 3klb haha besides those econo cars.

compare it to any of the others: ("price is not the problem here since all you suckers pay 1-8k for the car then 3-4k for your sr done at some shop, drop in 500-1k for bigger brakes/5lug and all that".)

rx7 old/new fc3s fd3s come on now, miata roadster na/nb, s2000, mr2 with supercharger, mr2 sw20, mr-s, 80's corolla/trueno/levin any of these cars will tear apart the 240 in the handling department.

i like the 240 for its decent handling but i like it more for the LOOKS and the fact that the hp potential is pretty high so it can fight with the upper end cars when built right like how they used to use silvias in some of the jgtcs.

a lot of people talk about the 240 like its outhandles any american made car. the newer mustangs may not be the "best handling" car but its decent. compared to the older brick on wheels cars with 4000lbs.

just dump some konis on there, some advan neovas lol, some thicker adjustable sway bars and it should handle pretty good.

[Chicagos13]

My brother took out my 240 the other day (SR swap) and walked a mustang gt with an exhaust (who know what else under the hood) by three car lengths from 30-80mph. Just my 2 cents.

[cstang1968]

a lot of people talk about the 240 like its outhandles any american made car. the newer mustangs may not be the "best handling" car but its decent. compared to the older brick on wheels cars with 4000lbs.

The only heavy classics were the 71-73 models, which weighed out around 3500-3700lbs with a big block. My 68 pegged the scales at 2900 lbs w/ a full tank of gas/full interior/302.