please read!!! frying ecu's

[ragenasian]

AGREED!!! If you have a service that can benefit those who own the CAs then by all means please put it out there but don't shoot yourself by posing as an a-- on the forum. If you have a way to salvage ECUs and Tune them with great results even better (as I don't have the knowledge or support to go standalone) but those people you are aiming to help or support will be put off by this thread alone. Keep it civil and clean and you will make great friends in this section.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

As long as im not told to suck on standalone i will be perfectly civil.

[good morning]

What do you mean as far as ign? if your are talking about the ign. table then yes there is full acess to the 16x16 table. The software I use is not MY software it is a ROM editor software..I am working on software and a realtime ROM editor. Throttle tip in retard I do do not have control of.

I mean, have you actualy verified the timing on the tables is the same as the motor is seeing. I have seen that ROM editors are a hit and miss with control of the engine.

[The_Chosen_One]

As long as im not told to suck on standalone i will be perfectly civil.

knowing R34 GTR he wasn't refering to you.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

No the CA doesnt support the consult interface. I use a pair of det cans to dial in timing appropriately. The actual timing values are always less than what is shown in the maps. You have to take into consideration that the CA timing values in the maps are all doubled so you have to devide 2 from the values to find the respective timing advance. I have verified this with a timing light on a dyno.

[johngriff]

I really hope all of that was not aimed at me, that would be really horrible.

I started out with rom tuning in the 90's, it is a cool gig, and you can do quite a bit with them. Their largest downfall is AFM, as the maximum readable air past the AFM is the tuning capacity of a chipped ecu.

Obviously standalones are not for everyone, but tuning is, if you are upgrading practically anything around a turbocharged engine, you will not see maximum potential, or safety for that matter if you are not tuned correctly.

Timing is the largest issue of tuning, and the downfall of mail order tunes. Even slight changes due to head gasket+block+head thickness can effect maximum output/knock. To reach full potential and safety timing must be done on a load based dyno in person with the specific vehicle.

Timing "suggestions" in ROM tuning are hard, because you constantly have it ballanced against your VE making changes to the timing. It is not always predictable, especially when using different AFM than that matched to the specific ECU from factory.

Best of luck to you on the ROM tuning, and I see no reason why you should not be able to eat well from it, both RSEnthalpy and JWT have made good money respectively with their businesses.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

Griff. Not aimed at you. Just dont see the real reason for this particular person to need a standalone..especially if he is frying ECU's.

[johngriff]

Because he all ready has an E8. He has the chance to use equipment he currently has in his existing setup.

[cheap_sticker05]

And to clear things up. I am not frying them, my friends car was. I have had my CA in my car and running for over 1.5yrs now. The Haltech I have is for my s14's ka-t setup that is on hold. I see no reason to just let it sit around and collect dust when I can put it to good use. I am getting ready for a series of upgrades anyways, so this seems like a good time to hook it up.

BEST1TUNING.COM- I am very aware of the power of the stock ecu. I have a willem writer and romulator too. I have done a few light tunes with I am just going to use the Haltech because I have it.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

makes sence....so where are we as far as your friends car?? was this fixed?

[cheap_sticker05]

Yes, it is fixed now. When I did the wiring for him I noticed some of the wire insulation was kinda "bubbly" like it had been really hot at one point. I went through most of it and replaced wires where it was needed. Well I do claim fault because I had missed a wire that shorted out internally in the harness. A friend went back through it and found it. You live and learn, and I enjoy learning. So next time I am going to go through the whole harness if I see anything fishy.

[ca18datsun510]

so your tell me that the ECU I sold you worked you guys just cooked it????

Mind paying to replace **** you broke since I graciously gave back the 100 bucks cash you bought it from me for?

this was for tristans car right?

what about this?

[cheap_sticker05]

I contacted her on a local forum about that. The deal with that was I tested the ecu out before we even thought about putting it in my friends car, and I knew my car ran perfect before. I plugged her ecu into my car and it would not allow it to idle or rev past 2k rpms. The other ecu that I was referring to that was fried was a spare one I had, that was also good, and ran my car previously.

[dash]

ca18 ecu is garbage ? Explain how numerous "smart folks" have extracted *excellent* performance from their setups using "garbage" ?

Some have even figured out how to make the ca18 run 20-24psi on pump gas tuned via $300 Emanage blue - fuel & ignition timing adjustments.

Its a definite plus to hear BEST offering ecu repair, that will help stop ca18 ecu supplys from drying up.... and it'll be an even bigger plus IF a 'local ecu tuner' shows up around here who can make ca18s sing like Jez, Dr Drift and others have been doing for years.-"Build it and they will come"- lol

det cans to dial in timing ?Is this a home made jobbie to "listen to" detonation, as detailed on Jez' website.. or something else ?

I don't see how a thread is ruined when it produces useful info.... I just look beyond the drama

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

^^ SO true.

Yeah the det cans amplify detonation noise and it is a cheap tool but works really well.

I hate to see people chucking ECU's because they really are getting hard to find. So i did some research and found replacement parts and also found the most common areas for them to fry and the reason.....which is pretty much what happened in this situation.

[cheap_sticker05]

I still have mine. I have no plan of throwing it away. I think gabby still has hers. I may buy hers and send both of them to you. I don't want to right now because that is a hundred bucks I can spend on something else at the moment.

[good morning]

Some have even figured out how to make the ca18 run 20-24psi on pump gas tuned via $300 Emanage blue - fuel & ignition timing adjustments.

Small comment about this.

Just because you can do it, does not mean it is right. Emanage does not have proper control over the ECU. Just because you can do it, does not mean it is the right way.

No the CA doesnt support the consult interface. I use a pair of det cans to dial in timing appropriately. The actual timing values are always less than what is shown in the maps. You have to take into consideration that the CA timing values in the maps are all doubled so you have to devide 2 from the values to find the respective timing advance. I have verified this with a timing light on a dyno.

It is a consisent retard? or does it range?

[johngriff]

If you are tuning timing off of knock, you are doing it wrong. You need to go to school.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

Griff you want to start throwing disrespect around we can play this game again. You are really starting to piss me off now. Ign timing is tuned until power is ceased or knock occurs. If there is no knock and tq is still increasing you keep advancing. An ign number is just a number.

good morning: the timing is very consistent and off by the same amount.

[johngriff]

Well you have it right in that post. For STOCK, detonation sensors work, but after your upgrade cams, turbo, valvetrain, there is alot of noise that reads as knock.

So reading the post before, I was like... whoa whoa whoa wtf..

I am pretty conservative, I will push each point out to max tourqe in 500 intervals (dynodynamics, not a dynojet), gap, full 4th pull for dynoqueen, then scale back 2degrees on load to be safe.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

pulling back a few degrees is always a good idea.

[dash]

u frequently hear the ever popular term, "doing it right".One day u may realize that there is NO such thing.... ONLY what is "right" for YOU. Unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around 'your' standards, or mine, or hers, etc..Pick up a tool to do a job, end of story.Emanage + ca18s were fast, reliable, ran well and comfortably surpassed their 300+ goal =VERY happy owners. So we whine about it ??

Jez has tuned lots of impressive street and track cars including his own. So he doesn't know what he's doing tuning "with knock" ?What about blistering fast DSMs and GNs pushing 25-30+psi on their old 150k+ mile stock long block or bottom ends - not effective ??When I was into GNs we had lots of clubmembers with reliable 10sec full weight airconditioned daily drivers tuned via nothing but O2 volts and knock sensor monitoring - no wideband or dyno. My buick was quick, responsive, economical (off boost only) and pulled ridiculously hard.... so all of a sudden this performance becomes unacceptable ??

[good morning]

u frequently hear the ever popular term, "doing it right".One day u may realize that there is NO such thing.... ONLY what is "right" for YOU. Unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around 'your' standards, or mine, or hers, etc..Pick up a tool to do a job, end of story.Emanage + ca18s were fast, reliable, ran well and comfortably surpassed their 300+ goal =VERY happy owners. So we whine about it ??

Jez has tuned lots of impressive street and track cars including his own. So he doesn't know what he's doing tuning "with knock" ?What about blistering fast DSMs and GNs pushing 25-30+psi on their old 150k+ mile stock long block or bottom ends - not effective ??When I was into GNs we had lots of clubmembers with reliable 10sec full weight airconditioned daily drivers tuned via nothing but O2 volts and knock sensor monitoring - no wideband or dyno. My buick was quick, responsive, economical (off boost only) and pulled ridiculously hard.... so all of a sudden this performance becomes unacceptable ??

Yeah, F1 should run emanage because there is no "doing it right". A lot of people use log manifold with success, but a equal length is better.

All your examples are people doing things halfass and getting lucky. Push the limits like that with a high end racer car and watch motor parts fly.

[BEST1TUNING.COM]

Yeah but the thing is...right now we rnt talking about F1 cars and Im sure few people posting in this thread own an F1 car....I may be wrong but just my intuition.

There are situations where an e-manage may not be capable of controlling the engine properly...but the only STANDARD for "doing it right" is producing its full power potential while maintaining reliability. If the person is able to use e-manage, a ROM tune, standalone to obtain that standard then there is nothing to say that this is not doing it right because he has used the method efficiently and with success. If you dont meet the power/reliability standard then you are not "doing it right" because apparently there is a better method. You can have all the standalone you want but unless you have maxed out the potential of an alternate form of engine management then you did it wrong. You may have tuned the car well but you had the availability to do the same thing through a less expensive system with the same results and you spent additional money on something that wasnt needed. Less expensive doesnt have to mean cheap or bad quality, it can can mean more efficient by using an alternate method. All of performance is focused around efficiency.

Engine management is only as good as the person controlling it. It is not a bolt on part that has been engineered better to give you a performance gain simply for the fact that it is a "standalone". If you need to use what the standalone offers and can use it correctly to benefit you, then you will see the gains. Other-wise your just wasting money. You can be ooo'd and aaaah'd over all of its awesome features but if you never use them or never see the benefit of them then they do you no good at all but take up space on your PC and give you something to show your friends. Maybe some people like hearing others say "He is running a standalone" or maybe they like putting "AEM EMS" in their list of modifications on forum threads, but for the people who's sole goal is to go fast, we dont care about the attention factor, especially If we can spend the money we save on something else to benefit us more.

The choices people make pertaining to their automobile depends on their education and intentions. Some people want to pick up girls, some people want to brag and other people dont know enough to make a good decision when it comes to aftermarket parts and simply think the more expensive the product is, the better it is. For some like myself who were never able to just go blow money on expensive parts regardless of whether I needed them or not, we have found effective and sometimes even MORE effective ways of doing things, often times at a fraction of the cost. If automotive tuning and performance had one way of doing things...then this would not be a competitive or interesting sport.

Build, test, tune, find where your lacking and why you are lacking and if an upgrade is necessary, then by all means upgrade. If you are better off going standlone, I will be the first to tell you.

[good morning]

It is a simple thing. You can do anything you want, but if you are using a hack. It is not the proper way. Just do not try to use "OMG, my friends brother does this, so it has to work" BS.

I think you have somehing against standalones. I mean, ROM editors are great, but they have their limits. I tune more street cars on ROM editors then standalones. I will not tune hacks because they do not offer the control I demand.

[dash]

who here gives a 5h1t about F1 or is building a highend racer ???Buddy, scroll up to the top of the page and get a clue where u at because apparently u r reaallly lost.

Getting lucky, eh ? Big difference is you obviously have no idea of what they're doing while they do. Understanding how the equipment you're using functions, is what produces numerous repeat results. Luck has absolutely nothing to do with it, don't be ridiculous.

Find that single fool who "needs" a motec, a $1600 header and a $1500 turbo as part of their 300hp ca18 recipee. I'm sure he has met your "doing it right" standards, thank gawd. Bless our remaining 'halfass' 300hp efforts - how dare we experience '12sec type' acceleration using a pos budget 4cyl without buying a porsche, ferarri, lambo.... the nerve

The most impressive ca18 around here by far; 30mpg, done 10k+ miles since rebuild, 10sec/500hp capable AND managed by an SR20 ecu. Who here wouldn't like to have that "halfass hack" under their hood ?

I have nothing against any type of equipment.... only those clowns that try to belittle more CLEVER folks' SUCESSFUL efforts. Too hung up on "controls" while remaining totally ignorant to end results.

[Sil40sK]

My god will you 3 year olds just shut the hell up!? ROM Edits and Standalones; they have the pros and there cons, end of story. Doing it right and doing it wrong, depends on the person's deffinition of "right" and "wrong". There end of topic.

[good morning]

who here gives a 5h1t about F1 or is building a highend racer ???Buddy, scroll up to the top of the page and get a clue where u at because apparently u r reaallly lost.

Yep. I thought this was a insult thread from your posts.

Another thng. I think it is funny you said money has to be spent to do it right. I never did said that. MS/rom editor cost less than your emanage.

[dash]

wasn't me who said that guy.... you'll never hear the words, "doing it right" coming from me or suggest what anyone 'should' spend. Yes, MS/rom editor costs less than Emanage -initially. Its the extensive reading, learning curve, frustrations and *time invested* that do u in. Eman is lock, loaded & ready to rock far quicker than MS/rom.With no spare, didn't wanna chance desolder/chip this perfectly good functioning euro 4port ecu. EM has its advantages.

good morning & BEST,either u guys have any success ROM tuning a 300+hp ca18 ?I'll use a chip on my other ca18

[wewders]

if youre trying to get a ka24de maf to work in it, it will fry the ecu, it did it to mine.

only a single cam maf will work.

First reply to the thread answered the guy's question. Can anyone verify this? I haven't done my swap yet so I wouldn't know which MAF you need.

As for all you hijackers, using a ROM editor to tune the stock ECU certainly has its advantages, such as low cost, plug and play, and a stock tune to start with. On the other hand, standalones, though they are more expensive, ultimately offer more control over the performance of your engine and give you the ability to tune a higher performance vehicle.

Both have advantages, and both have disadvantages. It's just like anything else in your tuner: pick what's most efficient for your application, your goals and your wallet. Don't go telling everyone else how wrong they are for not doing things your way, because that only shows how ignorant you are.