Please pray for my brother

[tl1000sga]

yeah, a link is posted on this thread, on the 1st page in a post from Slider

[krazy skwerel]

Wow I have no idea how I missed that. Very sad situation indeed.

[AZhitman]

lookatme:

Keep in mind that prayer is a powerful tool. Even those who have committed what we believe in our puny understanding to be unforgiveable acts are worthy of our prayer, just as we are unworthy of the grace we receive every day.

Remember, we can condemn the act, but not the actor. Our brother has stumbled, and while he deserves punishment, it is not ours to deliver.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Keep up the good work guys.

[Nathan]

tl, I've experienced a good deal in my 20 years but I'll admit, not everything. However, I am a person of very strong convictions and I can tell you with confidence, my opinions rarely change.

[The Riot Hero]

eh, sorry to say it bro but i he gts what he deserves, no prayers from me, one of my good friends was killed by a drunk driver recently.

afteall he killed someone and seriously wounded someone else... i hope he goes to jail for a long time and i hope it wakes some people up, maybe there will be a few less drunk driving incidents.

[toki]

yes, i made my other post pretty pissed off reading what had happend. I'm sorry, but what your brother did was really fvcked up, any way you look at it. He excersized some horrible judgement, and you just as bad actually giving him his keys. I mean seriously, it never crossed your mind what he was up to?!

I do feal for your brother, I can't imagine what pain he feals, or should be fealing over this. But hopefully through all this he will learn a very valuabe lesson, and maybe one day stop you or someone you love from getting in a car drunk.

[Turb0wned]

AZhitman i understand wha you mean but 3 beers getting u to the point where you cant remeber anything? thats wha i mean

[GELLIS2586]

I agree with AZHITMAN, "we can condemn the act but not the actor" I am sure half of you condemning nolaw's brother have driven under the influence of something. I'm not perfect I've driven from a friends house to mine drunk (only a few blocks) but I was still drunk and you never know what can happen. I regret it everyday even though nothing bad happened it was still a risk that I shouldnt have taken. Nolaw's brother is the same as the rest of us on this board. A human being, a sinner, and in the eyes of god all sins are equal. I pray for all parties involved in this accident and those condemning Nolaw's brother. When you could be guilty of the same thing, except you didn't have consequences that cost a life.

[Nathan]

I am sure half of you condemning nolaw's brother have driven under the influence of something.

I'm going to go ahead and feel free to condemn as I have NEVER even contemplated driving under the influence. I know how alcohol affects me and could not in good concience do so. I do occasionally drink, but I haven't ever thought of driving after doing so. I only drink when I'm certain I wont need to drive anywhere for at least 12 hours or have a friend I know wont be drinking to drive me home. Besides, I never drink enough to significantly compromise my decision making abilities as I just don't care for loosing control. Nolaws brother showed blatant disregard for anyone but himself and for that, he should face the strictest consequences possible. ESPECIALLY considering he ran the red light.

[Turb0wned]

GELLIS2586you have a point there but he did kill someone......

[tl1000sga]

I'm going to go ahead and feel free to condemn as I have NEVER even contemplated driving under the influence. I know how alcohol affects me and could not in good concience do so. I do occasionally drink, but I haven't ever thought of driving after doing so. I only drink when I'm certain I wont need to drive anywhere for at least 12 hours or have a friend I know wont be drinking to drive me home. Besides, I never drink enough to significantly compromise my decision making abilities as I just don't care for loosing control. Nolaws brother showed blatant disregard for anyone but himself and for that, he should face the strictest consequences possible. ESPECIALLY considering he ran the red light.

You're still young....... and nieve....But that will change

Ever heard the statement "only God can judge me"?You have no right to judge a man you know nothing about. Even if you did know him, you will never be all-knowing.

[Nathan]

Perhaps you've just put yourself in the wrong situations. Not all bad experiences in life are necessary and it's quite possible that your experiences are a direct reflection of your choices. I dont set myself up to be in situations like this one, plain and simple. Not to say I don't make mistakes, just that some things are avoidable and driving drunk is one of them. It seems that in order for me to be naive and you to not be you must have bad some bad experiences in life which most likely were at least indirectly caused by a bad choice on your part. Only god can ultimately judge people, but I'm very much capable of coming to my own conclusions about a situation and "judging" someone to have made a poor decision that led to something terrible happening. Tell me something, are you not judging me by calling me naive? I believe you are. Before you say something like "You have no right to judge a man you know nothing about" look at your own actions. You know me no better than I know nolaws brother. Hence, you have no "right" to judge me either. Not that I really care because what you think of me is your business and you can stick to your judgement if you desire

[mark]

I dont beleive in praying.

[hadokenny]

I pray for everyone that got involved in this accident. I pray that his brother will learn from his mistake and be more productive with his life to make up for his mistake.

I am pretty sure most of you guys have commited mistakes one time or another. Think about this...if people didnt forgive you guys for your mistakes, where would you guys be? Dont tell me that you guys have never driven after u had a beer or two. Just because you guys are luckier than todd in that u guys didnt hit anyone while ur driving under influence doesnt mean you guys are less guilty for DUI.

[SmallBrownSilvia]

I feel for you bro. I feel all different things though. Some you may not like to hear. I don't know ALL the facts though, and niether does anyone else here. So that said... I'm sure it's going to be and already has been a very difficult time for you and your family. No parent wants that phone call. No brother wants to be in your shoes. Hindsight is always 20/20, if you could change the past I'm sure you would. I believe your brother is the only one at fault in this situation. He apparently made some grave decisions that night and his luck ran out. Maybe the alcohol wasn't even the cause of the accident, but it's still a factor. If someone causes an accident while they're sober, but changing the radio station or talking on a cell phone, should not they be held just as accountable? I believe so. It was a conscience decision they made to be innatentive while driving, and it could just as easily have led to someones death, and does quite often. I cannot imagine what her parents have gone through because of this accident. I am a parent of a 2 year old and fear the day she starts going out with friends in highschool. I've been there and seen what happens, hell, even done some of it. You can't hold thier hand all the time though. It's unfair. For her. For them. If your brother ran that red light while sober, he'd be just as at fault. I pray he didn't intentionally run the light. Not that it's any better to accidentally have done so. But things add up. Drinking, probation (for whatever, I'm sure it was something similar), driving, and running red lights=bad decisions. He took an innocent life and has to face the music, however harsh it is. I pray he has faith in God and accepts the consequences like a true man. He made the mistake (and I'm sure that's what it was) now he has to live up to his actions. It will be hard for everyone involved. Life isn't always easy. Learn from your mistakes, and learn from others too. Don't let this same thing happen to you.A couple weeks ago, a teenage driver here in Wisconsin was convicted and sentanced to 5 years for killing a girl. It happened back in Feb. She was speeding and playing with the radio. The girl she hit was waiting for the bus. She wasn't drunk, or under the influence, but she killed the other girl just the same. There are enough distractions on the road as it is... don't add more by drinking and driving.I hope the other family doesn't go after your parents/you too severely on this. But I hope your parents/you understand that they most definately will be sued. Just imagine if she took your brothers life that night. Have faith and I will pray for everyone involved to make it through this difficult situation.

[SmallBrownSilvia]

Hey, and anyone who says they'd condem their own child for doing this obviously doesn't have a child. You may be ashamed, or upset, but no parent wants to see thier kid in this situation. You have to do some Jeffery Dahmer chit to make your parents feel that way. Kids do stupid things all the time. Drinking and driving may be REALLY stupid, but no parent wants to see their kid spend 25 years in jail over it. They may have to accept it, but they would not support it.

[Bubba1]

I dont beleive in praying.

Prayer is not required. This is not a religion-based website. But I hope you'd consider compassion and sympathy for all of the families involved.

Josh, please let us know how things work out.

Good luck

[tl1000sga]

Perhaps you've just put yourself in the wrong situations. Not all bad experiences in life are necessary and it's quite possible that your experiences are a direct reflection of your choices. I dont set myself up to be in situations like this one, plain and simple. Not to say I don't make mistakes, just that some things are avoidable and driving drunk is one of them. It seems that in order for me to be naive and you to not be you must have bad some bad experiences in life which most likely were at least indirectly caused by a bad choice on your part. Only god can ultimately judge people, but I'm very much capable of coming to my own conclusions about a situation and "judging" someone to have made a poor decision that led to something terrible happening. Tell me something, are you not judging me by calling me naive? I believe you are. Before you say something like "You have no right to judge a man you know nothing about" look at your own actions. You know me no better than I know nolaws brother. Hence, you have no "right" to judge me either. Not that I really care because what you think of me is your business and you can stick to your judgement if you desire

I never claimed to be perfect, but it sure sounds like you are. I have made many mistakes in my life, but I have learned from all of them and I don't regret none of them. Everyone makes mistakes, and not all bad experiences are caused by the victim of it. You seem smart enough to know that.

No, I'm not judging you by calling you naive, that is simply an observation not a judgement. I have judged people before I am sure, but that doesn't make it right and I try my best not to.

For you to say that you "know" you will never be in a certain situation or you "know" you will never do something makes you (among other things) either a prophet or "simply" naive. We are all naive when looked at in perspective.

While your at it, why don't you go ahead a claim that you're better than his brother, me, or someone else you know nothing about.:rolleyes

[SmallBrownSilvia]

Damn.

[Nathan]

Tl, I don't really want to make this an argument between us anymore. So lets just suffice to say that I KNOW I'm not perfect, hell...I'm far from it. However, there is a difference in doing something just plain stupid, and making occasional poor choices or bad decisions that are not as malicious as say, driving while intoxicated. I guess I don't KNOW for certain I never will, I just know that it's certainly something I have not done and at this point, me being who I am, I would do everything possible to prevent it. As for the difference in judgement and observation...well, lets just agree to our own definitions there

[AZhitman]

:Werd

[240_Keyy]

I didn't read the whole 3 pages, because I have a short attention apan for crap. However, I would like to say just a few things about DWI in the U.S.

Every year, almost 18,000 people are killed in alcohol related accidents in the US. That is 18000 people who wer fathers, sons, daughters, sisters, mothers and friends. 18000 people that will never come back because someone was too stupid to know not to drive drunk. Deaths resulting from DWI REALLY piss me off because they are 100% preventable. it is absolutely unnecessary for a drunk to get behind a wheel. Just because you have the keys to a car, doesn't mean that you can get wasted and terrorize the rest of the general population.

Every year in texas alone there are 25000 DWI related injuries, once again, these are 25000 injusries that never should have happened. In Texas alone there are 90,000 DWI arrests annually, and 6000 of those people will be arrested again for DWI within the same year. Texas alone has 1200 deaths from DWI each year, about 400 of those deaths are children.

Personally, I hope your brother can be rehabilitated, but then again, I think he should get the chair for murdering that poor girl.

Some of you may ask why I am such an advocate for sever punishment for DWI offenders, so I guess I will tell you... When I was 5 years old, my best friend was riding his bike down the sidewalk in our neighborhood. It was a nice Sunday morning in March, and he and his family had just got back from Church. As he was riding down the sidewalk, a drunk driver swerved off of the road and onto the sidewalk, hitting my friend. He then veered back onto the road and drug my friend (who became trapped under the truck) about 200 yards down the road. Whenever the drunk turned down a side streed, my friend came free and was promptly run over by the back wheels of the truck. We arent sure if the dragging killed him, or being crushed by the tires did, but he was dead just the same. The police caucht the driver a short while later later parked in someones front yard. He had no recollection of hitting my friend.

I hate drunk drivers, I hope they all burn in hell...

[Foreva180]

don't think this thread is going anywhere..... why not leave him alone..... i am sure he feels like crap already due to his bro...we don't have to make him feel even worse.

[tl1000sga]

Tl, I don't really want to make this an argument between us anymore. So lets just suffice to say that I KNOW I'm not perfect, hell...I'm far from it. However, there is a difference in doing something just plain stupid, and making occasional poor choices or bad decisions that are not as malicious as say, driving while intoxicated. I guess I don't KNOW for certain I never will, I just know that it's certainly something I have not done and at this point, me being who I am, I would do everything possible to prevent it. As for the difference in judgement and observation...well, lets just agree to our own definitions there

Nothing wrong with a good discussion, I meant no offense with it.

[Nathan]

Nothing wrong with a good discussion, I meant no offense with it.

Agreed

[90Q45blue]

I think we can all agree that we feel terrible that this tragedy ever happened and we all are hoping that justice is served (while our view on exactly what is appropriate justice varies) and that some good can come out of this horrible thing. Why don't we just leave it at that until Josh comes back with an update?

Nick

[s13sr20chris]

im sorry to get in on this so late guys. nolaws, i was once a very bad person and i feel i should offer you at least something to consider. punishment is not a bad thing. its painful, but it can bring repentance. i reformed while doing time in jail. in fact i spent most of my high school life in jail. while there i met my lord and saviour jesus christ. i also managed to finish my three years of high school(that i had left) in the 19 and 1/2 months of my last stint. i will most certainly pray that he finds salvation while doing time as he will most likely have lots of time to think about it. im not trying to sound cheesy or anything, but if you or your brother want to talk im here. look at the story of job who lost everyone and everything. he was a righteous man who was not deserving of anything like that. sometimes god lets that stuff happen. one of my "pat answers" for this is that god never wastes a hurt.

[GELLIS2586]

s13sr20chris that's awesome. A friend of mine did 18 months for auto theft and in that time he found his salvation. Now he is a great man and everyone thing he does, he does in Christ. He started the Christian car club I'm in called STEADFAST, the name correlates with Titus 1:9, It is a great verse. Jail may be terrible, but people like you and my friend that find ways to make the bad good, and find salvation truly are blessed by God.

[AZhitman]

:ylsuper

[s13sr20chris]

thanks for the encouragement fellas