Please pray for my brother

[thephatone]

Act like a man, get treated like man. He was 'man' enough to drink, he is 'man' enough to get charged like one.

He deserves what he has coming, no sympathy here. I feel sorry for you and your family and the victims involved. Way too many people are killed in drunk driving accidents, and where I live they are cracking down extremely hard. Maybe they will make a example out of your brother.

in the United States your trialed as an adult when you are 13 years of age usually grand theft, murder, etc..

now when it comes to rape they give you a 5 year leway...youll be trialed as an adult when your 18...

regardless, law is the law, judges dont symthasize, if it was the girls fault, the kid gets off on a dui, if its the other way around hell get locked up for quite some time 25 to life...

and for those who say, blah blah you shouldnt drink and drive this and that, but think about how many people do and how many people drive under the influence of marijuana, crack, heroine, extasy, crystal meth etc... if you guys were truly serious about what you were saying do something about it, dont condemn a person because he was asking for advice...

and Nathan yeah you were with the girl for 2 years and best friends before that, were talking about brothers here, whether he did it or not 16 years is along time, living with each other, going through problems, helping each other in hw, playing basketball etc...whether you like it or not brothers usually arent seperatable

im not saying dont put him away or anything, just think like a human, the kids family has feelings and so does the girl that died, compromise when you guys talk..dont just blurt out drinking and driving is bad...and as i said if he is guilty as charged itll be 25-life, i dont know guys, seriously think before you talk...think about both sides of the story not just one

[TrueSlide]

Driving under the influence of ANYTHING that impairs you is bad, drinking, coke, heroin, etc. etc. Iam not really sure how the law works in some ways, but I just see it as it should be, act like a man, get treated like a man. Some ppl just have to learn the hardway.

[thephatone]

so your saying this a 3 year old child accidently grabs his parents cocaine and gives it to his 2 year brother, he overdoses of course, so thats 1st degree murder...technically thats first degree murder, but the judge will think babies cant think, didnt know what he was doing etc...then what? would the baby be executed in the gas chamber? oh but hes only a baby but we can let him go right?.................

that whole cocaine thing is just an example...

[TrueSlide]

A child that young doesnt comprehend the difference between right and wrong unlike the 16yr old who should be able to comprehend such things.

BTW the child situation the parents should be held responsible, the possesion of cocaine around young ones that have no clue what it is and results in the death of 1 of the children, hell ya the parents should be held responsible.

[Nathan]

So are you saying it's ok to drink and drive as long as you dont kill anyone? You dont make much sense. I DO do something about it, if my friends are drinking I'm more than happy to be the designated driver, I wont let them drive drunk, I call in cars that are driving like they are drunk whenever I see them, if ever I am on a jury in a drunk driving case you can also bet I will not back down from the harshest punishment possible either. I'm not saying that he should condemn his brother, I understand that might not be possible for HIM to do. What I'm saying is that it IS something I could do. I dont have a brother to condemn but hypothetically if one of my parents did that then well, they'd get whatever they had coming and I'd tell them what I thought of their actions as well. Oh, and your tenses are wrong, it wasn't "were with the girl" it's have been, or are still Still, if she did something like that I wouldn't be with her anymore...the amount of idiocy I can tolerate is far lower than that.

[Nathan]

Good lord, thephatone: speaking of my idiocy tolerance, your about to surpass it. It's blatantly obvious that a 16 year old DOES know the difference between a good decision and a bad one, unlike a 3 year old with cocaine. I agree with TS, I'd nail the parents to the wall on that one.

[I30T]

and for those who say, blah blah you shouldnt drink and drive this and that, but think about how many people do and how many people drive under the influence of marijuana, crack, heroine, extasy, crystal meth etc... if you guys were truly serious about what you were saying do something about it, dont condemn a person because he was asking for advice...

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[flyfishz]

Very sorry to hear about your brother and the mess he is in as well as al the pain he has caused so many other people.

I don't think your brother is going to benefit a great deal by spending the next 5 years in a jail cell. I also don't think this will really ever make the families of the victims any better off either.

16 is very young and to deal with this situation and at this young age it is difficult to really grasp the magnitude of all the pain he has caused.

I hope somehow your brother gets through this situation and is able to continue in his life and recognize everyday how lucky he is to be alive. He survived this incident for some purpose. What that purpose is may not be clear for some time.

I have three kids and I can tell you that I would be devestated if my kids were part of a event like this.

Whoever told a sixteen year old that he needed to be drinking in order to have a good time is messsed up as well... the person that allowed alchohol at the party you were at is as responsible for this situation as anyone.

It is very easy to sit back and judge your brother, your parents, and even you because there is lots of guilt to go around.

But in the end I will pray that your brother someday fully realizes what has happened here and that he never drinks and drives again. I will also pray for the victims family that they will someday find a way to forgive your brother. And I will pray that your family somehow gets through this difficult time as well.

As for all else on this forum... If you are drinking don't drive the damn car! 1 beer or 6 beers...it is not just your life you dealing with... and to all the underage drinkers that think this will never happen to them... Think again! It is not worth it to drink and drive, If you think you are old enogh to drink the booze, be responsible enough to get rid of your keys and choose a sober driver.

[50AEZ31]

Im sorry to hear about ur bro and the other 2 involved...I am only 17 and i know someone who was killed because the driver was stupid and he didnt realize the power he had and he wrecked his mustang racing and didnt know how to correct a slide and his gf died in the wreck...i dont drink because i am not 21 and if i did i wouldnt want my keys...not worth the risk...

Chris

[nolaws4evr]

well guys, again I really dont know what to say. first off Toki your a fvckin prick. some of the s*** you said was pretty messed up about me being responsible for this. I hold myself accountable for giving him the keys every day, you dont. we were not at a party, he wasnt even with me that night untill 10 min before he left. I didnt allow him to drink any beer, and how am I goin to tell him he cant drink when I myself go get drunk occasionally and im under age. I tried to do the right thing by not letting him leave.

he doesnt remember anything just like alot of other crash victims who just black out and have no idea what just happened.

I really appreciate some of you guys concern for the whole situation, but anybody that is just here to condemn me and my family, you can go f*** yourselves because that is not what we need right now.

again thank you guys for your help, its very much appreciated.

Josh

[GELLIS2586]

I absolutely hate the way people treat each other on these forums. The kid made a mistake, one he will never forget for the rest of his life. As a christian forgiveness is very important to me, so is judging people. How can you judge a person by this one mistake, it doesn't make him evil. Everyone makes mistakes and I hope that the girls family can forgive him however hard that may be. I pray that your brother finds peace and is justly punished. That may sound harsh but for every action you make there is a consequence good or bad.

[krazy skwerel]

Sad situation indeed. I agree with the blacking out thing. I got hit and the woman was asking me what happened. She wasn't on anything. So I can see him not remembering for something other than alchohol. Yeah drinking and driving is wrong, but damn .05 is not very high. Why was he on probation if I might ask?

[slw240sx]

prison isnt a solution, its a cause for more problemns in the future.

i think since the kid killed one of the other familys kids, they should get to kill his brother so that he has to endure what its like to loose a family member.

the gene pools need a good clensing nowadays

[spec-v5150]

I absolutely hate the way people treat each other on these forums. The kid made a mistake, one he will never forget for the rest of his life. As a christian forgiveness is very important to me, so is judging people. How can you judge a person by this one mistake, it doesn't make him evil. Everyone makes mistakes and I hope that the girls family can forgive him however hard that may be. I pray that your brother finds peace and is justly punished. That may sound harsh but for every action you make there is a consequence good or bad.

I dont thinkmost of us were being harsh. There are different degrees of mistakes. Like hittign me from behind or stealing my car or not doing somethign right the first time. Sme mistakes to em are unforgivale...maybe because I am not religious. I mean takign another life because you wanted to drive drunk is NOT forgivable. I can see if it was just a car accident...hey **** happens, but some **** can be avoided. Besides, if you dont want opinions, dont post a public forum especially owith somethign so touchy.

[AZhitman]

Wow... How did I miss this thread?

I commend you guys (most of you anyway) for keeping your cool, speaking your mind, and sharing your concerns, and I concur with Bubba1's sentiments to the letter.

It's very obvious there are ONLY victims in an incident like this. No one gets out unscathed.

Be careful out there, and if you have a hair on your arse, you'll stand up for each other and say NO to your friends who don't take DUI seriously.

Keep up the good work - My prayers go out to everyone affected by this senseless, ridiculous tragedy.

[Bubba1]

I'd like to add that John showed some real courage sharing this story with us. While I fully understand Toki's feelings, I don't think berating Josh is productive. Josh obviously feels awful about it, and would certainly have done things differently if he could. This was a tragedy, not pre-meditated murder. I believe its fairly common for some people to mentally block out horrific images, as knowing you killed someone by acting recklessly is not an easy concept to handle, especially to an immature teen.

I think we should give Josh a break. He's not a villian, and needs our support because he and his family have a very difficult road ahead. I don't feel Todd is a monster either, as long as he acts honorably. He's been given a rare second chance to redeem himself by surviving. I hope he makes the most of that opportunity.Good luck

[Bubba1]

Oops typo on the first line. I meant to type Josh, not John. I need to work on my proofreadin'.

[90Q45blue]

Josh,

I'm sorry that your brother was in a car accident. I'm glad to hear that he wasn't seriously injured physically. I'm even sorrier to hear that he took the life of an innocent girl and seriously injured a man.

Drinking and driving is a very poor decision, no one would argue that. It is one decision that people make because they are unable to rationalize their decision at the time. Josh, I don't believe that morally you are at fault for Josh's accident. You did say that he didn't drink in your presence and you told him no once and you only let me have the keys to get something out of his car.

I do, however, believe that you are legally at fault. After telling him he couldn't have his keys back and then him asking you if he could borrow the keys to get something out of his car, the prosecution could argue that by the act of giving him the keys, you were consenting to his driving. In the state of alabama, it is a DUI the minute you put your keys in the starter. They are pretty harsh about their laws and I don't think it will result in a favorable outcome.

What I would recommend is to talk to your lawyer. You feel terrible about this incident, no doubt. But you should not have to suffer jail time as a result. As I said, I don't think you are morally at fault. Ask your lawyer to talk to your friends who were at the party and witnessed the scene. It is possible they could testify to your favor. Good luck and let us know what happens.

As for your brother, as hard as it is to say to you...I do hope he goes to jail and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I think that is what will happen and right now you should be focusing on being considerate for the family of that poor girl and supporting your brother who made the worst mistake a kid can make.

I hope that while most people would like to see Josh's brother in jail, that we could be civil about our comments.

Nick

[AZhitman]

Well said, Bubba and Nick.

Perhaps this will be a wake-up call to others who think "It can't happen to me."

So many lives ruined...

p.s. Josh, all of us here at NICO are behind you and your family 100%. Keep us posted.

[MainEvent212]

yeah, this is a huge reality check for me, because until recently, i've been known to drive under slight influence, i always know when i'm DEFINATELY unable to drive, but i've driven with up to 5 beers before...now i know it's foolish to say that my tolerance is high, and i'm extra cautious w/ driving after a couple brews, but i think that's going to stop definately, if i'm at a party where there is drinking, i'm gonna make sure i turn in my keys before the night begins

[Turb0wned]

sorry about ur brother but he killed someone... almost killed another person to, those people didnt do anythin to have that happen its ur brothers fault for being dumb i would want someone like that put in jail for a while..... not meaning months ether.. sorry

[Turb0wned]

another thing... 3 beers only..... and he doesnt remeber anything...?

[I30T]

Apparently, he weighs 40 lbs.

[AZhitman]

yeah, this is a huge reality check for me, because until recently, i've been known to drive under slight influence, i always know when i'm DEFINATELY unable to drive, but i've driven with up to 5 beers before...now i know it's foolish to say that my tolerance is high, and i'm extra cautious w/ driving after a couple brews, but i think that's going to stop definately, if i'm at a party where there is drinking, i'm gonna make sure i turn in my keys before the night begins

Keep in mind you do NOT have to be over (or even near) the legal limit to be charged with DWI.

I'm 6'2", 180, and if I have 2 beers in an hour, I'm approximately .08. But even after 1/2 beer, my reflexes are slower...

Keep it simple - NO alcohol before driving. How hard is that?

[bdawg46]

I will definitely pray.....

B

[lookatme!]

Why would you even come here asking people to pray for your brother? Pray for what? That he doesent go to jail, that they let him off because he's a minor, that the parents of the girl he murdered dont hate him? Asking the people on here to pray for your brother, who caused an accident because he was drinking, underage, and decided to run a red light is a bad idea in the first place. You should have known you werent going to get sympothy here... too many people have been the victims of DUI accidents. When I clicked on that thread, I expected to read a story similar to nebraska240's... some stupid drunk ran a red light, and hit your brother. Instead what i read was appalling... pray for my brother, he killed someone. So unless you meant pray that he is never able to take the life of an innocent person again, I wouldnt holkd my breath waiting for people to pray for him.

[tl1000sga]

I can tell you with the utmost certainty that she would NEVER do that, why? because I don't date those types of people and my friends are not those types of people either. If my child ever commits that kind of atrocity (hopefully he would know better after being raised by me) then yes, I would condemn him. You have to face your mistakes and he or she would have to as well.

Nathan, you are obviously someone that has a lot of experiences yet to be seen.....

I hope you remember everything you have said on this thread when you finally experience more in life, because I am sure you'll look back and wonder how you could think like that. I'm sure you'll claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, but that'll change in the future. no offense intended.

As for nolaws brother....

He is human, and I'm sure that he'll pay for this in his own way and others' ways for a very long time. Death is painful to everyone, even the cause. I hope that he learns from this, because that is the only decent thing that can come of this. I am sure he will though.....

I hope for the best for everyone involved, especially for the family that has forever lost thier love.....

[krazy skwerel]

Why would you even come here asking people to pray for your brother? Pray for what? That he doesent go to jail, that they let him off because he's a minor, that the parents of the girl he murdered dont hate him? Asking the people on here to pray for your brother, who caused an accident because he was drinking, underage, and decided to run a red light is a bad idea in the first place. You should have known you werent going to get sympothy here... too many people have been the victims of DUI accidents. When I clicked on that thread, I expected to read a story similar to nebraska240's... some stupid drunk ran a red light, and hit your brother. Instead what i read was appalling... pray for my brother, he killed someone. So unless you meant pray that he is never able to take the life of an innocent person again, I wouldnt holkd my breath waiting for people to pray for him.

We don't even know who caused the accident. Just because he had a couple doesn't mean he caused it. We don't have enough information to pass judgement. Even if we did it is not our place to do so.

edit: I am dumb and didn't see the link on the first page. Though I still think we have no right to pass judgement.

[tl1000sga]

We don't even know who caused the accident. Just because he had a couple doesn't mean he caused it. We don't have enough information to pass judgement. Even if we did it is not our place to do so.

I completely agree, we should not pass judgement.Just for information purposes, the article in the paper said he ran a red light.

[krazy skwerel]

Thanks tl for the info. Was it in your paper or was it thrown up on this thread somewhere and I missed it?