Plans to supercharge your Q45 for sale on ebay.

[AZhitman]

Then post the blueprint(s) for the BRM exhaust. If not -why not?

The catback? No problem.

[Rex]

Found an interesting little tidbit on the Princeton University Library

Quote »Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified in that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

But note that the concept of "fair use" provides limited exemption, and does not encompass wholesale copying and distribution of copyrighted work for educational or any other purpose, without permission.

Copyright law does not specify the exact limitations of fair use. Instead, the law provides four interrelated standards or tests, which must be applied in each case to evaluate, whether the copying or distributing falls within the limited exemption of fair use.Here are the four standards:

1. The purpose and character of the use. Duplicating and distributing selected portions of copyrighted materials for specific educational purposes falls within fair use guidelines, particularly if the copies are made spontaneously, for temporary use, and not as part of an anthology. 2. The nature of the copyrighted work. Fair use applies more readily to copying paragraphs from a primary source than to copying a chapter from a textbook. Fair use applies to multimedia materials in a manner similar if not identical to print media. 3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole Copying extracts that are short relative to the whole work and distributing copyrighted segments that do not capture the "essence" of the work are generally considered fair use. 4. The effect of use on the potential market for or value of the work. If copying or distributing the work does not reduce sales of the work, then the use may be considered fair. Of the four standards, this is arguably the most important test for fair use. [/quote]

[PoorManQ45]

The catback? No problem.

Then post them!

Quote » 4. The effect of use on the potential market for or value of the work.If copying or distributing the work does not reduce sales of the work, then the use may be considered fair. Of the four standards, this is arguably the most important test for fair use.[/quote]So basically, anything that is for sale can NOT be reproduced. That really sucks

Good info Rex!

[AZhitman]

Why?

You're not gonna use 'em.

Actually, there's nothing "special" about it, nothing a competent exhaust shop with a mandrel-bender and some talented fabricators couldn't do.

[elwesso]

Correct me if im wrong but the BRM exhaust isnt any bigger than stock, correct.....?

I think what they did with my system is used the stock pipes and welded in new mufflers.....

[PoorManQ45]

Why?

You're not gonna use 'em.

Actually, there's nothing "special" about it, nothing a competent exhaust shop with a mandrel-bender and some talented fabricators couldn't do.

Because! Is that a good enough reason . j/k

Well, you said that the exhaust was actually engineered, and not just some pipes and mufflers welded on!

So, lets see some schematics!

[AZhitman]

2.5", with a NASCAR-style X-pipe (same as on the Borla Cobra system), dual Magnaflows, with a dual-in, dual out Magnaflow at the rear.

Simple, and effective. Note - very similar to the Stillen setup from back in the day.

[PoorManQ45]

What is the exact placement of the X-pipe? You said that extensive work was done to ensure the proper placement for maximum gains!

[AZhitman]

If you're getting to something, spit it out, son.

We're not going through this again.

[PoorManQ45]

If they're not patented or Copyrighted, lets see the actual plans for the exhaust. Was everything used off the shelf parts?

What are the exact placements of the different parts?

Can you provide us with the testing information that was done?

We'd like information!

[AZhitman]

Nothng is copyrighted or patented, I thought that was pretty clearly stated. Even something unique can be copied without consequence.

You'd have to ask the fabrication shop about measurements. If you'd done your homework, you'd know that I don't spend a whole lot of time under a lift.

All off-the-shelf parts. Again - if you'd read more and post less, you'd have gathered that.

I'm not interested in playing into your theoretical ramblings and armchair engineering. Regardless of what's been done or proposed, you'll have a 'better and cheaper' way, and we'll all be in awe of your creativity.

And regardless of any of that, there aren't any more being built, so it's an irrelevant discussion.

[elwesso]

I thought I might mention that an exhaust nearly identical to mine was on eGay... Ryan bought it...

Whatever the case is it was a cat back and it looked identical to the mufflers and stuff that i have on my Q.....

[PoorManQ45]

And regardless of any of that, there aren't any more being built, so it's an irrelevant discussion.

Ok, i'll stop. but what's this about no more exhaust? What happened?

[elwesso]

Seriously, the BRM exhaust is good, but its nothing that cant be fabricated fairly easily (i use that term loosely)

Someone could easily weld in some new mufflers and modify them to use stock mounting points.. Thats what my exhaust is, but they may hvae used new pipes...

[PoorManQ45]

Someone could easily weld in some new mufflers and modify them to use stock mounting points.. Thats what my exhaust is, but they may hvae used new pipes...

Hang on, didn't I talk about doing that about 1 month after I joined Nico? IIRC, I got flamed alot!

[elwesso]

Remember that what theyre using is TOP QUALITY stuff..... The mufflers and stuff may cost around $250....

This isnt stuff that you find on ebay..... This is good (Dennis approved) stuff......

[AZhitman]

Wes, yours is actually pretty impressive on paper.

Ancient Chinese Secret under that Q...

[1qckser]

Wes, yours is actually pretty impressive on paper.

What about on the road

[AZhitman]

Well, based on my pretty extensive drive, it FEELS fast as all hell.

But Wes's video of it running against his well-worn maroon Q (on it's death parade) is less impressive.

That catback is kind of a homologation of the Stillen setup and some thing Borla was cobbling up (if I recall the story correctly).

But hell, my memory sucks lately.

[1qckser]

When you see my new exhaust you will surely be impressed here are a few of the ingredients, Burns&Stainless, Magnaflow, Hooker, should make a good amount of hps with the other set of manifolds I have

[PoorManQ45]

Hooker = Headers?

Or are you using a resonator, CAT, or something else from Hooker?

Quote »Even something unique can be copied without consequence.[/quote]Wait, I just caught this!

So, are you saying that I can legally copy CDs, DVDs, Software, and anything else? If so, then how is it that the music industry companies have been able to sue people for ripping their CDs/Music? The Music is unique right?

[Jesda]

Hooker = Headers?

Or are you using a resonator, CAT, or something else from Hooker?

Wait, I just caught this!

So, are you saying that I can legally copy CDs, DVDs, Software, and anything else? If so, then how is it that the music industry companies have been able to sue people for ripping their CDs/Music? The Music is unique right?

[1qckser]

[AZhitman]

LOL @ Jesda.

Copyright covers intellectual properties.

An exhaust system is not "intellectual property".

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