Pentagon Conspiracy

[WDRacing]

I was sent this link at my Gov account. Pretty spooky stuff. A friend of mine in EOD syas he suspects its a version of a bunker buster. Since the possible missile drove a straight line through 4+ walls.

http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

[Jesda]

Debunked. Stupid conspiracy theory first concocted by some French guy.

Eyewitness accounts:http://urbanlegends.about.com/...w.htm

See video:http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/...tures/

[WDRacing]

I forgot the link....lol.

[Zydeco]

this is the one hes probly talking about http://www.muchosucko.com/flas...#Main

[HashiriyaS14]

Sweet Flash movie nonetheless, very high production values. It reminds me of the 'Vannevar Bush" flashback from Serial Experiments Lain, or the little info sessions from Metal Gear Solid.

[StrangeLove]

Jesda, I've read loads of information on both sides of the arguement, and nothing I have read can even begin to explain the things on this page:

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Read that whole page a couple of times

[Jesda]

Do you know what actually happens to a plane as it slams into a thick reinforced structure? It "atomizes" into millions of unrecognizable pieces.

http://www.big-boys.com/articl....html

This nonsense conspiracy is often perpetuated by those who want to believe there was a government coverup. Remember the ridiculous right-wingers who said Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster? You're now officially in the same loonybasket as them.

I read that site, and they made their nonsensical motives quite clear. It even has to preface itself with a statement that says "This is not about Conspiracy Theories."

[PoorManQ45]

Do you know what actually happens to a plane as it slams into a thick reinforced structure? It "atomizes" into millions of unrecognizable pieces.

Actually, it would go right through. When one of the planes hit one of the World Trade center buildings part of it actually flew out of the other side of the building.

This nonsense conspiracy is often perpetuated by those who want to believe there was a government coverup. Remember the ridiculous right-wingers who said Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster? You're now officially in the same loonybasket as them.

I guess that I'm in the same loonybasket as them too.

We have NO proof of who actually committed these terrorlst acts. All we have is circumstantial evidence and a dumbass president.

Do you guys realize that what is happening in the United States right now is the same thing that happened in Nazi Germany in the 30s~40s. Our government has taken complete control of our lives. Perfect example, go to the airport once. While there, talk about plastic explosives not be detected by metal detectors. Guess what happens. You are gagged and bagged in a matter of minutes. If you are taken to court, you will be charged with conspiriousy to commit terrorism. Does this seem just to you?

How can you be charged with something that you had no intentions of doing? It's like this. A cop sees a black man on the sidewalk looking at a house(has a for sale sign), at night. The cop is white or black, he thinks that the black man might be thinking about breaking into the house. So, he arrests him(this can and has happened). He is held under "conspirering to commit larson/burglurary". All the black man was doing was looking at the house. Does this seem right to you? Even if he was thinking about breaking into the house, the cop had no right to arrest him. You are allowed to think what ever you want in a "free" nation.

[SmithSR]

I grow weary of posting the same warnings for them not to be adhered to.

Until the owner OK's political threads, they will all be locked and/or deleted without warning or explanation, per instructions from our senior admin.

[gabossie]

Wha? Why? Only when they get out of hand, or all together?

[MaineExport]

Wha? Why? Only when they get out of hand, or all together?

Hopefully all together. But regardless, I'd say we've seen some out of hand posts anyway. Logic and reason seem take a back seat to juicy gossip and conspiracy theory.

[w1ngzer0]

terrorlst are everywhere, there is no stoping them. Its a endless war.

Though, they found an Al Qaeda member on the mexican border trying to get in with nuclear items.

[hannibal]

First, I dont consider this a political thread, thats the only reason Im posting...

I dont think we understand what happens when a plane going that fast hits a building. The other plane crashes weve seen/read about (including those shown in the clip) were pilots trying to avoid crashing and loss of life. Even the crash in rural PA left minimal debris. The plane at the pentagon was not attempting an emergency landing. Thats why there are no videos of a plane hitting the buiding. It was travelling at 500mph, no security camera with its 10 frames/sec could capture that.

The plane that crashed in NYC hit a steel framed skyscraper hundreds of feet above the foundation. The pentagon is made of tons and tons of concrete and the plane hit the strongest part of the building. Imagine a car hitting a concrete barrier head on at high speeds (100mph+). The car would be demolished. Now imagine a plane travelling at 5 times that speed. I believe it would literally disintegrate as Jesda said.

As far as the small neat hole in the inner wall, that could easily be caused by a PIECE of the plane. In the WTC clips, you can see engine parts continuing thru the building after impact.

And if that was a bomb/missle of some sort, what really happened to AA Flight 77???

More conspiracy theories.WHile watching the live broadcasts, I swear I heard about a 4th plane missing that day. Like the other 3 planes, it departed from the East coast heading out west. I think its destination was LAX. I never heard anything about this plane after the day of Sept 11. My first reaction was that this plane was shot down before it could reach its intended target. Or maybe the plane was later accounted for. Regardless, no seems to remember hearing about this incident on Sept 11.

[WDRacing]

This is just a thread to spur on some conversation fella's. Not a political debate. Just a cool presentation to get your mind thinking.

If the Owner or senior Admin want to close it/delete it/edit it they can. But this is in NO way out of hand, nor does it look to going that way.

[Cold_Zero]

This nonsense conspiracy is often perpetuated by those who want to believe there was a government coverup. Remember the ridiculous right-wingers who said Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster? You're now officially in the same loonybasket as them.

1. It wasnt Bill Clinton, it was an Arkansas State Trooper that did the dirty work.2. How dare you lump me in with these Pentagon loons.3. How dare you call me a loony basket.

[w1ngzer0]

at least he doesn't have hong kong fooey in his avatar

[jdmfreak]

LOL! That show was great.

[SmithSR]

This is just a thread to spur on some conversation fella's. Not a political debate. Just a cool presentation to get your mind thinking.

If the Owner or senior Admin want to close it/delete it/edit it they can. But this is in NO way out of hand, nor does it look to going that way.

This thread was doing very well, and is obviously back on track in that odd nico way..

I should have 'quoted' PoormanQ's remarks within my earlier post! His post was the bait that could have turned this thread into a big mess so the move was to restate the rules.

Everybody please feel free to carry on, but plz don't respond to poormanQ, who set up a bit arguement that thankfully nobody took him up on.

[WDRacing]

True enough...Thats always the problem with a spirited debate of any type. Someone will get ugly and offensive. However, I think this thread has petered out.

Time for me to go look for another topic.

[PoorManQ45]

Everybody please feel free to carry on, but plz don't respond to poormanQ, who set up a bit arguement that thankfully nobody took him up on.

Please take the bait little fishies.

There is no reason that we cant have a debate on this thread. It would be wise to have an administrator monitor this thread. If anybody started to get really pissed off and start flaming, the admin could delete the inappropriate comments. So, in essence, it would be a controlled debate. Would that be possible?

Here's the first few questions.

1. Do you think our economy is in an up-trend or down-trend?

2. What are your thoughts about the United State's two party political system?

3. What are your thoughts about the current presidential candidates? About there goals for America?

4. Do you think that the USA should have gone into Iraq? Should we have stayed there as long as we have?

Please try to answer these questions from an objective rather than subjective point of view.

If possible, please post links that support your thoughts. Please refrain from slandering anybodies name.

This can work, we just have to control ourselves.

[navysnail]

the problem is, that some people hold there beliefs close to them and controversial topics like our involvement in iraq and the presidential election just pisses people off, and on top of that, it doesnt change any bodys mind, so whats the point?

[PoorManQ45]

the problem is, that some people hold there beliefs close to them and controversial topics like our involvement in iraq and the presidential election just pisses people off, and on top of that, it doesnt change any bodys mind, so whats the point?

Like most of my posts. It's just to get people thinking. This thread could be used to broaden peoples horizons. I don't think that it is meant to offend anybody.

If you guys don't want to talk about this stuff, then whats the point of this thread? Wait, better yet, if you don't want to talk about this stuff, than go away. You do not have to partake in the learning/sharing experience.

This thread would be a good place for people to explain there beliefs. For you guys to tell us what you think and why you think that.

[WDRacing]

Far to many to

Please take the bait little fishies.

There is no reason that we cant have a debate on this thread. It would be wise to have an administrator monitor this thread. If anybody started to get really pissed off and start flaming, the admin could delete the inappropriate comments. So, in essence, it would be a controlled debate. Would that be possible?

Here's the first few questions.

1. Do you think our economy is in an up-trend or down-trend?

2. What are your thoughts about the United State's two party political system?

3. What are your thoughts about the current presidential candidates? About there goals for America?

4. Do you think that the USA should have gone into Iraq? Should we have stayed there as long as we have?

Please try to answer these questions from an objective rather than subjective point of view.

If possible, please post links that support your thoughts. Please refrain from slandering anybodies name.

This can work, we just have to control ourselves.

To many topics to have any type of decent discussion, narrow it down to one perhaps two related topics and it will work better. I'm not very up to speed as far as economy as whole goes, so I can't offer much there. The rest of the topics are decent if people can keep personal bias out...or atleast enough to not be all pissy.

I'm intrested in the two party topic myself. Not that I'm well informed on either party, I would however learn from a discussion.

My personal feelings are of dislike for the entire electoral college in general, let alone the 2 major parties who sit in leadership.

I mean really...The Republican party as well as the Democratic party are not what they used to be. They are mere semblences(sp) of what they were 20 years ago. The only real reason I can honestly say I'm republican is because they pay me. The military has never done well under democratic rule. Aside from that I'm not educated enough on the issues to make a better choice.

When I turn 40, atleast I think its 40, I'm going to run for President. Simply by word of mouth and free advertising. I mean really...why not. Consider your choices right now. Both Su ck...its just a matter of which one su cks less. So why not vote for me. Ask me your silly little questions, I'll even tell you the truth...imagine that...a guy who speaks the truth running for president...lol, comical huh.

I'm rambling...someone elses turn.

[StrangeLove]

"Do you know what actually happens to a plane as it slams into a thick reinforced structure? It "atomizes" into millions of unrecognizable pieces."

Can you explain how you turn something into nothing? What happens when you burn 100 tons of wood? 100 tons of ashes, right?

WDRacing, Over a thousand people run for president each year

[Onizuka]

I dont know weather or not a plane hit the pentagon, thats not really what bothers me. What bothers me is that the government keeps everything it finds a secret. The government doesnt own this country, we do. I want to see the evidence myself.

As far as the election process, I think it would be most appropriate with 3 well defined and equally influential political parties. Presidential candidates should not be allowed to run commercials. On the soap box and in the public is where politicians should be fighting for what they believe. I wand un-scrippeted debates with candidates who are really involved with that they are talking about, not a bunch of pre-planned lies to make them look good.

I may not be making any sense, maybe im just feeling this because im forced to choose between two weenies who like to call eachother names.

[Onizuka]

"Do you know what actually happens to a plane as it slams into a thick reinforced structure? It "atomizes" into millions of unrecognizable pieces."

Can you explain how you turn something into nothing? What happens when you burn 100 tons of wood? 100 tons of ashes, right?

Law of Conservation of Matter

[navysnail]

but the law of conservation of matter applies to all matter, so if you burn 100 tons of wood, you do get ashes (carbon) but also alot of gasses and energy released in the form of heat and light

i still think a plane hit the pentagon, alot of the data on that site is kinda vage and, if you think about it, irrational

i also think that the government should release some things but they have to keep some stuff a secret for national security.

my question is this: if the government tested a missle or whatever, why would they hit there own building, when it can be tested perfectly well on a target in white sands or somthing

[WDRacing]

WDRacing, Over a thousand people run for president each year

Yeah, but I love fast cars, I hate the CARB, I would love to tax the crap out of people who make an asston of money and I'd close down our borders and work from the inside out to make this country a once agin nice place to live. ..I'm WDRacing and I endorse this message...lol.

[StrangeLove]

You'd get my vote!

[w1ngzer0]

Yeah, but I love fast cars, I hate the CARB, I would love to tax the crap out of people who make an asston of money and I'd close down our borders and work from the inside out to make this country a once agin nice place to live. ..I'm WDRacing and I endorse this message...lol.

you don't quite understand the whole picture and reason carb was made. If you read the history of carb you will understand why. They are getting more strict in the next couple years.

When you can't see the sky in california anymore. You will understand.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO ME!!!