Optimum drift

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Dattebayo
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Experimenting on drift techniques yesterday, i found that the DOHC KA 240 has a tendency to really oversteer to the point where i find myself facing almost sideways; I Lose alot of speed that way:( I dont know if silvias and the like have the same issues, but i feel like when you hit the gas there is way to much torque to really drift well (without a LOT of practice). I can handle it at low speed, but i have to just tap the gas at the beginning and tap brake at end to get it to ride out without fishtailing. Any opinions or stuff you wanna say?


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No comment... Stop trying?? Turbo??... what size wheels do you have along with tire size?

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How about a little slap with that acid remark. Thanks alot guy. I have 16 inch watanabes, i think they are a little wider than stock i'd have to check when i get my car back from my girl.

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Drift bible says s13's and 86's have understeer problems!!

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Drift bible... huh. OK ill bite but i wish i had a eight-six to compare it against.

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2BN_S13 wrote:Drift bible... huh. OK ill bite but i wish i had a eight-six to compare it against.


Umm.......... Excuse me?

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do you have an lsd?

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Yeah, its from a canadian model. Oh and crizack, all i meant was i dont know about the "drift bible" and i want to test drive an AE86 to see the difference.

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if by oversteer you mean your rear is swinging out too far that means you did not countersteer fast enough. I will get you a link for the "drift bible" these guys are talking about :)

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ive experienced what you are talking about, you may just be entering the turn too aggressively-> turning too extremely to the inside. you need to keep your front wheels spinning so they can control the rear, if you dont than they act as a pivot point. the best thing ive learned is when to stop turning to the inside, and when to start to countersteer. letting my steering wheel spin freely at times seems to work. remember u can control where your car is going without turing at all.

that is only from personal experience, i have only really had success with taking my time and not getting excited about it, my best 'drifts' (if u can really call them that!=)) started by mistake. dont mean to question your ability, just a thought.

oh...this seems stupid, but it has really helped me at times...pay attention to where u want to be going in your car, not where it is pointed, or where it is actually going (sideways). other than that im horrible at it =)

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this movie actually help me just to be able to reveiw in my head how it all works: http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....37880

-matt

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Okay that would be awesome. By the way i fudged that term i meant understeer, (I drunk, im think) so dont crucify me. But same general idea of whats going on.

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well my 'puter says dundun dah! FORBIDDEN, so thats not good. Maybe the FBI will come and eat my children so you gotta help me...

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I have lsd on mine and mine gets to the side as well.. fully stock ka24e 90yr in an 89 canadian 240.. have the same problem.. hmm

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Well to the side is good, but not ALL the way to the side. Just maybe i should afford me a better lsd or better a mechanical diff. OOOOO AHHHHH yeah right i WISH :)

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Learn control...don't try to blame it on your car right away..you might need practice

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Its alright, i did love the look on the faces of those mall shoppers anyway when i went sideways. At least it went in the right direction (not into curbs and such) and sideways and made large rubber marks HEHE. I love taking it out after the rain and just slow speeding it into turns and whipping out that back. By the way, dont drive drunk (it's bad for your rims and tires).

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you know yuo were funny till the drive drunk deal.. you shouldn't drive drunk period

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well it dosent happen with me anyway, something a friend told me once I thought it was funny. once there was a time where i had to step into my friends car when it was snowing and he thought up the idea to go snow drifting after he was at the bar for a few hours. He zipped around the parking lot and had some real good slow speed manuvers, untill he went into a 360+ thing and bounced his car over a curb sideways and bent the drivers side wheels inward and the pass. wheels out. Thats what he said when he got out of his car to check the damage. It scared the sh*t out of me but i was laughing at the dumb a$$ for like 2 hours. Anyway yall check out that video cause its real cheap only $20.

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do u have any suspension work?

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no LSD = no drift

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sleepy_nokkie wrote:no LSD = no drift
:bsflag

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I have an 86 and an S13!!

Yea!

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I have done drifting with no LSD, i sucked hard core :D

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You guys should;ve seen Josh at the DGtrials events...that guy shredded so hard for a while with an open diff...

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MrFox wrote::bsflag


Do you even know what "drifting" is? When your car does fish tail for about 2 sec, that does not mean it's drifting. Or when one of the rear tire spins faster than the other does, that does not mean drifting either. It's ONLY drift when both of the rear tires spins at the same amount of speed and in order to do that you'll need LSD ..

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not to start this OLD argument all over again, but it takes a little more than just having your back tires spinning...i would also say that i would want my tires to be spinning at different speeds, exactly why i am getting a 1.5 way lsd instead of a 2 way. there really is no point in trying to describe drifting, there is more than one way to do it.

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1.5 way LSD does not mean the wheels spinning at different rate. It just means the LSD will engage slower when decelerating. Yes, before the LSD engages, the tires will be spinning at different rate. Once engaged, it's basically same as 2 way.

As for drifting... In theory, you can drift anything on wheels. Bikes, motorcycle, FF, FR, RR, 4WD or MR, you name it. Drifting in a nutshell is basically carrying the momentum sideways. That's why if you talk to ppl who's been drifiting for a while, they'll say it's all about weight shift. And if you talk w/ the pros, they'll tell you they can drift anything. So can you do it on open diff? F*** yea, if you can't do it on open diff, then I suggest you don't even try. B/c you don't know the essence behind drifting. The mix up about drifting is a RWD or 4WD car exclusives is b/c w/ these platforms, one can carry the drift through out the whole course provided you have the skill.

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SCC must be wrong then, not that i doubt what u said

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SCC as in "sports compact car" the magazine? I have no comment....

Here's is a place where I learn alot from and attended their events quite often(use to).

CLICK HERE

In the writeup, the author goes in more detail about how LSD really works.


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