OMFG! Sarah Palin Church Video! And she's giving speech!

[Soravia]

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Quote »From NBC's Michael LevineAs questions have been raised over how thoroughly Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign vetted Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for the V.P. slot, it seems the McCain campaign was unaware of a video -- available online -- in which Palin talks about God's role in U.S. military action overseas, according to a political operative familiar with the situation.

The video, first reported by the liberal blog HuffingtonPost.com, is from a June Palin speech to the graduating class of commission students at Palin's former church in Wasilla, Alaska. While describing her family, Palin told students about her oldest son, 19-year-old Track, who is set to be deployed to Iraq this month with the U.S. Army. She urged students to pray “that our leaders -- that our national leaders -- are sending [soldiers] out on a task that is from God.”

She added, “That's what we have to make sure that we are praying for: that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.”

“It's pretty uncomfortable stuff,” said the political operative, after watching the video online. “It's bad. It's really bad. … It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.”

In addition to talking about Iraq, Palin also referred to God's role in her work as governor.

“I can do my part in working really, really hard to get a natural gas pipeline, about a $30 billion project that's going to create a lot of jobs for Alaska. … [but] I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,” she said. “I can do my job there in developing our natural resources, in doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded. But really that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's hearts aren't right with God.”

It wasn't all serious, though. At one point during the address, Palin praised the graduating class as “a bunch of cool-looking Christians.” Then she picked out one student in the crowd and said with a smile, “Ben, I don't know you well enough yet, but looking at you, I'm thinking, people are going to interested in Jesus Christ through you because of the way you look - this red-headed Sasquatch for Jesus. You look good!” The students cheered. “Times are really changin'. And with the times that change, looks even change.”[/quote]

[rn79870]

We interrupt this broadcast to take you to Arizona where Sen. McCain has been taken to the hospital with back pain. blip...blip...blip...

Sen. McCain was admitted to St. DoOvers Presbyterian Hospital this morning with complications related to back pain. His aids reported that he has been on his knees since Friday begging his superiors to replace Palin as his running mate. He was seen mumbling "no, no, no, not her" as he was wheeled into the emergency room.

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[szh]

We interrupt this broadcast to take you to Arizona where Sen. McCain has been taken to the hospital with back pain. blip...blip...blip...

Sen. McCain was admitted to St. DoOvers Presbyterian Hospital this morning with complications related to back pain. His aids reported that he has been on his knees since Friday begging his superiors to replace Palin as his running mate. He was seen mumbling "no, no, no, not her" as he was wheeled into the emergency room.

Film at 11.

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Oh, please!

Z

[HashiriyaS14]

LOL

While I chuckle at Bob's post, this is another somewhat sensationalist story.

That said, there's certainly more meat here than with "Troopergate".

Palin's faith is not a negative, but the perception that she will assume that she has divine backing for her policy IS a negative. The portion of the US population that will respond positively to policy decisions (particularly military) that are made because "God mandates it" is a small slice of the US indeed.

The GOP can clean this up pretty easily, but they need to make sure that she doesn't say anything to this effect during the national campaign.

[Soravia]

So Obamites truly believe that address to Christian kids in a church about the war should not mention God.

I'm no Baptist myself, and not really in line with their crazy stuff on the pulpit. But this is far far away from the racist hate spewed at Mr. Obama's 20 years long chruch.

[dusred]

I would rather have a Religious person run my country then a terrorlst.

[Soravia]

Mrs. Palin sees that defending her country is God's plan for her children.

She's a Nazi.

[dusred]

^ Obama believes that the whole dam country are racists. "G-D America!" Says his pastor. . . If he doesn't listen in church he probably won't listen to anything else. . . in fact. . . running for president he is probably doing what his Pastor told him to do: Damn America! LOL

/sarcasm

[HashiriyaS14]

So Obamites truly believe that address to Christian kids in a church about the war should not mention God.

I'm no Baptist myself, and not really in line with their crazy stuff on the pulpit. But this is far far away from the racist hate spewed at Mr. Obama's 20 years long chruch.

No, I definitely don't believe that. As I said, this video in and of itself is not a negative, nor is Sarah Palin's faith. In fact, positioned correctly, both could be political positives for the GOP.

The DANGER comes if Palin says something in an interview that makes it sound like she feels she has a divine mandate to govern. That would be very undesirable, from a public relations standpoint.

Obviously, if she's a Christian giving a speech at a Christian school, she should feel free to give her own honest views.

[rn79870]

Oh, please!

Z

It was half in jest and half truth.

The fence sitters now have their two feet dangling on the dem side due to this appointment.

[smockers83]

The fence sitters now have their two feet dangling on the dem side due to this appointment.

Oh, I dunno about that one. If we want "change" in Washington, we have to have people who are willing to cross lines and people who haven't been affected by its politics. That's the McCain-Palin ticket. Obama has Biden who's been there for 30 years and that's going to be more of the same (not Bush, but politics). If we want to change the culture of politics, we have to be willing to vote in people new to Washington and people willing to cross lines. If we can change Washington, the rest of America changes with it.

[szh]

If we want "change" in Washington, we have to have people who are willing to cross lines and people who haven't been affected by its politics.

YES!

That's the McCain-Palin ticket.

YES!

Obama has Biden who's been there for 30 years and that's going to be more of the same (not Bush, but politics).

YES!

If we want to change the culture of politics, we have to be willing to vote in people new to Washington and people willing to cross lines.

YES!

If we can change Washington, the rest of America changes with it.

YES!

I stand up and applaud every single one of your observations above!

Thanks!

Z

[AZhitman]

...and yet, no one speaks a word of criticism when someone of another faith peppers their every utterance with "God willing"....

More double standards, more anti-Christian hogwash, and more sensationalist drivel.

Keep strengthening our resolve... We're taking notes... win or lose, it's all coming back.

[szh]

It was half in jest and half truth.

"Half truth"? Hmmm ... I must have missed something ... can you point me to the part of your post that had any truth in it? Here is your complete post again:

We interrupt this broadcast to take you to Arizona where Sen. McCain has been taken to the hospital with back pain.

blip...blip...blip...Sen. McCain was admitted to St. DoOvers Presbyterian Hospital this morning with complications related to back pain. His aids reported that he has been on his knees since Friday begging his superiors to replace Palin as his running mate. He was seen mumbling "no, no, no, not her" as he was wheeled into the emergency room.

Film at 11.

We return you to the regularly scheduled program...

The fence sitters now have their two feet dangling on the dem side due to this appointment.

Well, this publicly avowed fence sitter - see my posts on the topic recently and in the past: *Yours Truly* (Take a bow, Z!) is firmly planted, both feet, on the Republican side due to "this appointment".

Z

[HashiriyaS14]

If we want to change the culture of politics, we have to be willing to vote in people new to Washington and people willing to cross lines.

That's all well and good, and generally I agree with you. My gripe isn't one of aspirations, it's one of execution.

The party lines of this country are drawn almost precisely along social issues. Ultimately, in THIS country, social issues are what determines who votes for whom (unfortunately).

Palin is *not* palatable to the majority of the US population from a social standpoint, and the idea of having a conservative Christian pro-choice pro-censorship person in the oval office is going to override a lot of her competencies, whether it should or not.

Hell, she's farther to the right than Mike Huckabee, and he couldn't even with the GOP PRIMARY, let alone the general election. He'd have gotten mauled in the general election.

Despite the fact that she is admittedly a tough chick who is probably both pretty honest and a quick learner, she is just way way too far to the right for most independents to stomach. THAT is going to be why Palin was a bad idea, not because of any kind of BS like "Troopergate" or this pregnancy thing.

[AZhitman]

Abortion is the only issue I see where she differs from the majority.

And RvW is in NO danger of being overturned (and she knows it), so what difference does it make?

[Soravia]

I'll speak up against Palin when she says it is God's will that gay people can't marry.If she says it is God's will that she was chosen as VP pick, I'm fine.If she says it is not in God's will that gay people marry, I'm fine.

You see the fine line?

[AZhitman]

Well-stated.

You know, there's a difference between discerning and pursuing "God's will" in one's life and actions, and making one's perception of God's will a matter of national policy.

I don't think that line's been (or will be) crossed.

[dusred]

Dems: Let's not bring her Religion up as an issue here in this campaign. If you want to bring it up we can surely bring up Obama and his twisted pastor into the picture.

[HashiriyaS14]

Dems: Let's not bring her Religion up as an issue here in this campaign. If you want to bring it up we can surely bring up Obama and his twisted pastor into the picture.

Well, unfortunately, it is an issue, and while Reverend Wright certainly is a problem for Obama, these are different sorts of problems.

This has to do with how Palin will govern.

Abortion is not, as I see it, the only issue. If she comes across as pro-censorship (i.e. her "library debacle"), that will seriously hurt her.

Additionally, if she is too far to the right on guns, that will also not resonate with the majority of the American public. All Obama needs to do is adopt a sensible, centrist gun position to force the GOP ticket farther to the right.

Yes, Wright is a wacko. I'm of the opinion that Obama allied himself with Wright to buy credibility in the sphere of black Chicago politics. Even if you disagree, you must admit that Obama has not been speaking as if he plans to govern largely on the basis of his faith.

Granted Palin hasn't said that EITHER, I'm not saying that she has, I'm just cautioning that if she DOES, it'll be trouble for the GOP.

I'm just analyzing the political viability of her as a VP pick, not attacking her credibility or credentials.

[96Qowner]

Granted Palin hasn't said that EITHER, I'm not saying that she has, I'm just cautioning that if she DOES, it'll be trouble for the GOP.

When will you know if she does? If she's asked if she truly believes such things, will she turn a 180 and say that she can no longer ally herself with such beliefs? Would that be an admirable thing?

Is it good for the Democratic Party that Obama disavowed his 20 years exclusive association with Rev Wright's Black Liberation Theology Church?

What I'm finding terribly intriguing about this Palin nomination is that Democrats keep getting themselves deep into hypocrisy in their knee-jerk "questions" and criticisms of Palin. She has no experience? She's religious? She's a mother of 5 who has the gall to think she can do a job as well as a man????? She "allowed" her teen daughter to get pregnant????

It's appalling to watch, especially when Dems don't even realize what they're saying, what they're exposing about their true beliefs.

Wow.

[Soravia]

Well, unfortunately, it is an issue, and while Reverend Wright certainly is a problem for Obama, these are different sorts of problems.

Yes, Wright is a wacko. I'm of the opinion that Obama allied himself with Wright to buy credibility in the sphere of black Chicago politics. Even if you disagree, you must admit that Obama has not been speaking as if he plans to govern largely on the basis of his faith.

You just said my biggest fear.

I Never for once believed Mr. Obama was black racist. He's half white and raised by white grandmother.

He, I believe, would take advantage of ANYTHING to get himself above the situation.Compared to McCain's perseverance during the POW years, this is like day and night.

Would you want a leader who would throw you under the bus?

In my own opinion, a leader of a nation is the SERVANT of the nation. The leader should be bowing to the people, not the other way. The leader should hold the people high above his/her head. Not the other way around.

[smockers83]

That's all well and good, and generally I agree with you. My gripe isn't one of aspirations, it's one of execution.

The party lines of this country are drawn almost precisely along social issues. Ultimately, in THIS country, social issues are what determines who votes for whom (unfortunately).

Well, the VP doesn't do much governing to begin with. Also, Palin, from what I've heard has cleaned up (or however you want to say it) politics in Alaska. I know some will be like oh, its a rural area, its nothing like the city. But politics is politics no matter where or who you are, its the truth. I've seen it, I've lived it even in my short time on this planet. That aspect alone shows she's willing to put herself out there and clean it up in Washington.

As for party lines, that is the very problem and was George Washington's greatest fear. That's why we need someone willing to cross those lines to break them or make them softer, which McCain has been known to do. This country shouldn't be so bitterly divided just because of being Democrat and Republican. Now, there will be sides to issues, no doubt about that. But if we can break down or soften up party lines, we won't have people subscribing exclusively to party politics and hopefully do what's best for the country. We've heard it before in previous elections that they will reach across lines, and maybe they attempt to in the first few months, but in order to do so you have to negotiate, bring people together with an open mind and just simply think without worrying about what everyone else in the party is going to think about you.

[HashiriyaS14]

He, I believe, would take advantage of ANYTHING to get himself above the situation.

Honestly, this is what politicians do. McCain has done the same thing with Rod Parsley, who, until he said some very shocking things, had been McCain's "spiritual guide". He had never really been a very outwardly religious man before, he just picked up Parsley to buy himself credibility with the far right just like Obama picked up Wright to buy himself credibility with certain Chicago factions who didn't think he was "black enough".

Politicians say and do stuff to buy credibility and get elected, I don't really fault EITHER of them for it.

Hell, McCain has reversed his stances on several social issues to make himself a viable GOP candidate, and it worked, but no one can say that he hasn't been a bit of an opportunist about it.

Hell, Mitt Romney is more of an opportunist than either one of them, but I still think he'd make a better President than either one of them.

When will you know if she does? If she's asked if she truly believes such things, will she turn a 180 and say that she can no longer ally herself with such beliefs? Would that be an admirable thing?

Is it good for the Democratic Party that Obama disavowed his 20 years exclusive association with Rev Wright's Black Liberation Theology Church?

What I'm finding terribly intriguing about this Palin nomination is that Democrats keep getting themselves deep into hypocrisy in their knee-jerk "questions" and criticisms of Palin. She has no experience? She's religious? She's a mother of 5 who has the gall to think she can do a job as well as a man????? She "allowed" her teen daughter to get pregnant????

Being religious and injecting one's religion into policy when it's inappropriate aren't the same thing.

If she says something along the lines of "we invaded Iraq because God called us to a cause", that would be disastrous for the Republican party. You can't make decisions like that on religion, and even if you don't, you can't appear like you are doing so. That kind of shxt is popular with like 10% of the US population and is an automatic disqualifier to the other 90%.

Her being religious isn't a problem. Faith is, generally, a positive thing. The tricky part is when faith intersects with policy. The GOP doesn't have the market cornered on Christianity, there are plenty of Christian Democrats out there (i.e. myself), however the idea that we are doing "x" or "y" in Government (i.e. banning abortion, banning gay marriage, invading a country, censoring media) because "The Bible Says So" will NOT fly in America in 2008, not even among many Republicans.

I'm not SAYING that she'll do this, but I'm saying that if she does, it will be a BIG PROBLEM for the McCain campaign. It will override everything positive about her.

And don't lump me in with the d!ck that are dragging her daughter into this. I didn't say a damned thing about that and you are an instigator for suggesting otherwise.

[smockers83]

And another thing, there's all this talk about experience. Experience comes with time spent in Washington, generally speaking. If we want to change the country, we have to vote outside of Washington. Get new faces in there who aren't going to know the traditions, those ones will be able to see the bureaucracies, red tape, and everything else. They will be the ones who will shake up Washington. They'll go in there and say, well this doesn't make sense and everyone else who's been there for 20 years will say sure it does, because they've been apart of it for 20 years and they now believe it makes sense only because they think it does because that's been the way its been for so long. Its not experience that is an issue, its what you're used to and being able to see the things that don't make sense.

[szh]

They'll go in there and say, well this doesn't make sense and everyone else who's been there for 20 years will say sure it does, because they've been apart of it for 20 years and they now believe it makes sense only because they think it does because that's been the way its been for so long.

Very good point! That is exactly why I think someone with even the few years of experience that Palin has, will do well. She will challenge the status quo and "business as usual mentality" that Biden has. And keep McCain on his toes too when he becomes the POTUS.

Z

[themadscientist]

united states of KKK/

[wingFeather]

Is there something wrong with God talk? I like Palin even more now. This sure beats Obama's racist extremist church situation!

RN, your perfect know it all mask is starting to crack with prejudiced banter like this:

We interrupt this broadcast to take you to Arizona where Sen. McCain has been taken to the hospital with back pain. blip...blip...blip...

Sen. McCain was admitted to St. DoOvers Presbyterian Hospital this morning with complications related to back pain. His aids reported that he has been on his knees since Friday begging his superiors to replace Palin as his running mate. He was seen mumbling "no, no, no, not her" as he was wheeled into the emergency room.

Film at 11.

We return you to the regularly scheduled program...

[rn79870]

Is there something wrong with God talk? I like Palin even more now. This sure beats Obama's racist extremist church situation!

RN, your perfect know it all mask is starting to crack with prejudiced banter like this:

From your post I get the impression that you don't understand the meaning of the word prejudice? Here, this may help...http://www.merriam-webster.com/

[wingFeather]

You might want to look up the word yourself. You have an irrational age bias. Shame on you for owning yourself!

From your post I get the impression that you don't understand the meaning of the word prejudice? Here, this may help...http://www.merriam-webster.com/