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VStar650CL wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 12:46 pm
Zero police died from actions of the rioters, the tapes are quite clear on that. That is, for those paying attention. Ranting about "tourism" is of course your prerogative.
It is important on where you get your news and information from.
The Wall Street Journal is not exactly a liberal publication.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/biden- ... U2zavPvFD5

"LIVE COVERAGE | CONCLUDED
Simmering Tensions After Pro-Trump Riots - Live Analysis
Some lawmakers called for President Trump to be removed from office, after a pro-Trump mob forced its way into Congress.

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Apr. 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM EDT
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Jan. 7, 2021 at 12:32 AM
Four Deaths, Police Injuries, Dozens of Arrests Tied to Pro-Trump Capitol Riots

"D.C. police reported four deaths, dozens of arrests and 14 police injuries tied to the unrest at the U.S. Capitol, where a pro-Trump mob stormed both chambers of Congress.

Metropolitan Police Chief Robert J. Contee III said Wednesday night that 52 arrests resulted from the riots and from people violating the 6 p.m. curfew ordered by Mayor Muriel Bowser. Mr. Contee said that 26 arrests were made on U.S. Capitol grounds.

One woman was shot by Capitol police while three other people, one woman and two men, died from medical emergencies, said Mr. Contee without providing details.

Mr. Contee added that internal affairs is investigating the fatal shooting by the Capitol police officer.

Meanwhile, 14 police officers sustained injuries, two serious." ........

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... =undefined

How Oath Keepers Are Accused of Plotting to Storm the Capitol

By Denise Lu and Eleanor LutzJan. 19, 2022

In laying out the sedition charge against Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the far-right Oath Keeper militia, and 10 others, federal prosecutors have built a timeline of events as evidence of a conspiracy to storm the Capitol on Jan. 6 last year.
The 11 Charged With Sedition

Founder and leader of

the Oath Keepers

Stewart Rhodes

Accused of participating in the first Oath Keeper group to enter the Capitol

Accused of participating in a second Oath Keeper group to enter the Capitol

"Seditious conspiracy can be a difficult charge to prove, and it requires prosecutors to show that at least two people conspired to overthrow the government or delay the execution of a U.S. law. The charge is the most serious yet to be filed in connection with the riot. So far, more than 700 people have been accused of crimes related to the Jan. 6 assault. "

The lawyers are having a field day with these A Holes. I hope they enjoy the cell mates that they will end up being paired with.


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The security tapes are quite clear. It's important to know when reports are inaccurate, exaggerated, or outright lying.

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"Trump Indicted Indictment Against Trump Is Unsealed

“We have one set of laws in this country and they apply to everyone,” Jack Smith, the special counsel, said in a statement after prosecutors released the details of the charges against the former president, who was set to appear in court next week."

"Trump’s allies have portrayed his actions as a paperwork fight not worthy of prosecution. Smith rebutted that, casting his investigation as a defense of U.S. national security — and the fulfillment of an obligation to defend those who risk their lives to gather intelligence for the country. He urged people to “understand the scope and gravity of the crimes charged” and said that laws “protecting our nation” must be enforced."

I suppose there are still some that support him?

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Bienvenidos a Venezuela.

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telcoman wrote:
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"Trump Indicted Indictment Against Trump Is Unsealed

“We have one set of laws in this country and they apply to everyone,” Jack Smith, the special counsel, said in a statement after prosecutors released the details of the charges against the former president, who was set to appear in court next week."

"Trump’s allies have portrayed his actions as a paperwork fight not worthy of prosecution. Smith rebutted that, casting his investigation as a defense of U.S. national security — and the fulfillment of an obligation to defend those who risk their lives to gather intelligence for the country. He urged people to “understand the scope and gravity of the crimes charged” and said that laws “protecting our nation” must be enforced."

I suppose there are still some that support him?
When you pop the champagne cork, you may want to toast ol' Bill Clinton for setting a legal precedent that renders this whole farcical case moot. That 10 year old case is titled Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration – also known as the “Clinton sock drawer” case. Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said that "the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office".

I guess you don't want to bring up the documents that Biden illegally took while serving in the senate and didn't even bother to store in a secure manner (cardboard boxes in his garage).

Have you (and special counsel Jack Smith) forgotten about David Petraeus? He was Obama's CIA director (as in not a president with declassification authority) stole classified documents and gave them to his mistress in exchange for sex for years. He was allowed to plead to a misdemeanor and got probation. It would appear that in this country we have two sets of laws, one for democrats and their ilk, and another set for everyone else.

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My prediction is this is going to end in a similar manner as it did for Spiro Agnew fifty years ago. Agnew publicly stated that he would not resign.
A short time later he resigned to avoid jail time.
A 77 year old twice impeached, ex president with so many indictments and charges against him is not going to feel well facing a prison term. It only takes a conviction on one of the many charges against him to send him to prison for the rest of his life.
Pleading guilty to one charge in return for no prison time and a withdrawal for ever running for public office again is going to seem to be a very attractive offer especially when Georgia and New Jersey bring additional charges against Trump.

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telcoman wrote:
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Pleading guilty to one charge in return for no prison time and a withdrawal for ever running for public office again is going to seem to be a very attractive offer especially when Georgia and New Jersey bring additional charges against Trump.
So you basically admit that your objective (and DOJ's) is to eliminate a political opponent by whatever means you can invent. Very sad.

Bienvenidos a Venezuela.

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No! The objective is that no one is above the law. Not even an ex president that is fleecing his supporters to give him more money to pay his legal fees.

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You're hopeless, Howie. So is the country if anyone listens to you. You don't jail the political opposition, period. Ever. For any reason.

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Left-wing politicians today have become so insidious and stupid, it's almost like one of my favorite cartoons in the sixties was actually prophetic, and their fan base followers have no critical thinking sense left in their pea brains. I blame it on Russia-Russia-Russia and goof gas.

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The biggest loser

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Now change the subject. Typical. :facepalm:

You're just a hater, old son. Admit it, it will be healthier for your psyche.

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" I ain't no fortunate son..ya "................ever hear of CCR ..................ever hear of LAUGHTER????? ..ZEP :rotfl

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macgiver wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:16 pm
" I ain't no fortunate son..ya "................ever hear of CCR ..................ever hear of LAUGHTER????? ..ZEP :rotfl
Those in the DPRNJ have no sense of humor that they're aware of. Trust me, I know. To my eternal shame, I was born there.
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PS - Fortunately, that was at a time when they still taught civics. It's evident they don't anymore.

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they now think civics is ten or more Civics :lolling: :rotfl :whistle:

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In consolation , Howie's TV looks like 1962 , where midnight you got the Native American Profile and four 45 rpm vinyl looking things in all 4 corners of the 'set' . Maybe he just sees a distiorted view ? Like it's a crackli'nRosey screen full of SNOW ?? What can we E X P E C T ? I dunno any more to say ,but should we pitch in for 4' x 6'......w/ 4k for him ?? There's spose to be a new " Super-Smart " TV out , sorely needed posssibly ?? 6 2 & even over & out

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Did I leave out the trigger-warning ........................scuse me .......................so sorry :lolling:

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macgiver wrote:
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Maybe he just sees a distiorted view ?
The fact that New Jersey reelected a governor who thinks the Constitution is "above his pay grade" should tell you everything you need to know. I'm officially a "Damn Yankee" now. The difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee is that a Damn Yankee won't go home, and I will never go back to that polluted, distorted, little pisspot of a state. The difference between me and all the other people fleeing it right now is that I took the hint 30 years early.

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You know, it really is a different world. People who don't know any better find out in the strangest ways. I was a typical east coast Yankee when I moved to El Paso, walking around wearing my "Jersey face" and looking at nothing but my watch and the sidewalk. After a week or so, I discovered the strangest thing. When I dared to glance at my neighbors, they actually smiled at me. How weird! Even the apartment gardener was friendly. When I asked him why they kept watering the dead, brown grass, his puzzled reply was, "But senor, you want grass, don't you?" Then I realized that in the desert, if you don't water the dead, brown grass, you end up with dead, brown rocks.

It was delightful. I haven't worn a Jersey face since, and I haven't found the slightest reason to make my smartphone into a surrogate for my long-discarded wristwatch. Time and people are different here in the south. Different and better, and I thank God every day for the job and the divorce and the rest of the broken road that brought me here. Otherwise I might never have known better, and my life might still be focused on a watch and a sidewalk.

If you want to know what's wrong with Howie's focus, that would be my guess. It isn't his TV. Just look down, the sidewalk will tell you the answer.

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Send him more money

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He finally met his match

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He will finally obtain his number 11780 soon

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Hopeless.

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It's hard to fathom that this is an actual indictment that was filed. According to Democrats rightfully calling Mike Pence a “wimp” is an “overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.”

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Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Amdt14.S3.1 Overview of Disqualification Clause

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All Trump supporters need to send him more money as he doesn't like to use his own money.
Lawyers are expensive and from Trump they need to be paid in advance as he his known for stiffing many lawyers and contractors.

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Hopeless.

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VStar650CL wrote:
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Hopeless.
Yes! Not looking good with four indictments and 91 Felony charges in four locations
One conviction could very well be a life sentence.

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Smarta$$ too. Still hopeless. Hope you enjoy Venezuela when we all arrive.

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PS - Please don't think all your hurraying on the sideline will make you safe when Venezuela happens, either. Robespierre thought he was safe too. So did a lot of Maduro's friends. He wasn't, they weren't, and no one here will be.


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