Ok - who pulled their coal canister out?

[Aussie Q45a]

[/QUOTE]

Every little bit of redesign or deletion adds to the cars demise.

Especially changing oil filter from the top! That ranks right up there with child abuse.

Tech, if you were to relocate your oil filter to a more accessable place where would you put it and how would you do it? Greg

[paranoidjack]

I'd like to run the hose to the trunk, where I'd have a bunch of endangered animals.

[elwesso]

Anyone who doesnt want to listen to tech doesnt have to. No one is forced to take any advice that is mentioned on this forum.... Hell, its possible I have been thrice divorced and live in a van down by the river... The point is that just because you dont want or dont have to listen to him, does not mean hes not right...

I will say that Tech is not as mod-happy as a lot of us are, but he understands whats really going on.....

[FarFetched]

Quote »A common side effect to carbon canister removal is that the tank will almost always be under pressure.

ie,..- When you remove the gas cap you will always get a "sshhh" noise and a rush of fuel vapor venting from around the gas cap.[/quote]I can't do drugs, I've been "dry-clean" for years. Hovewer, it is exactly the way how I get my BUZZZZ on these days! Keem em' tanks pressurized all the way

[FarFetched]

Heheh, are you a lube tech, superuber? I've met Dennis. Have you had your Q45 for over 300,000 miles? Dennis has. Do you know all the numbers and theory? Dennis has. Have you been posting valuable information to Q45 forums for 7 years or more? Dennis has. Have you read the FSM cover to cover? Dennis has.

I'm just sayin' ...

It's not just one guy reading this thread, and for the sake of the others, it's important to stick with facts. Other than that, if someone finds an unidentified part on the engine and wants to take it off and see what happens, good for them - they should go right ahead.

Very true!It absolutely important to understabd the principles and know in details what you are dealing with.I am MB, Toyota and Ford factory trained technician and in some cases (when I had my Old Lady) didn't know how to act when I had a problem with her.Always ask questions and listen to people with greatest experience. Be humble and take critisism with pride.I've swallowed my pride more than few times...I've learned thing or two!Q45Tech is a great source of valuable information. Sometimes hard to chew on, but if you understand his approach, you'll get it!One thing I know, you can try "your" way, but you'll ALWAYS come back on a well traveled path. I've been there, so have many of us.

Cheers!

[bullittandy]

Looks like I stirred up the hornet's nest! LOL

You sure did!!!!

To those that defend accurate but impolite/condecending advice:Have you noticed that new members rountinely feel insulted?

I've noticed, and have been insulted because I was new about a year ago and didn't ask questions for a while because of the tone of some of the posts. It only takes ONE bad experience to lose a "customer."

And yes, I can tolerate it but I also tolerate my father-in-law!

If you don't have an engineering degree or are a master tech then you have to rely on shadetree's who have EXPERIMENTED and can report back. If we insult people-they won't talk. I know this because I'm a family therapist and am critically aware of the difference between good advice, and good advice that's heeded.

[Peter Therock]

Heheh, are you a lube tech, superuber? I've met Dennis. Have you had your Q45 for over 300,000 miles? Dennis has. Do you know all the numbers and theory? Dennis has. Have you been posting valuable information to Q45 forums for 7 years or more? Dennis has. Have you read the FSM cover to cover? Dennis has.

So what if he is? Atleast he isn't posting worthless numbers about coefficient drag! <78>+=45 deg. =mc2.... see anybody can make claims.............do you undestand this? I just computed the drag of mars in a polar storm! prove me wrong!As far as 300k, who cares, whats his car worth..50 cents?As far as reading, get a life!I hope he's not on flat rate, all the time he spends typing in worthless figures I don't see how he makes any money as a master tech!!

Aussie, I can answer your question, he won't! Remember it's abuse!Andy, you are right on. Unfortunately others on this forum are scared of this guy! He's on some sort of power trip, Any of us could be anybody!I'm really Elvis. I quess its back to the cadillac site!

[maxnix]

I thought it was crap chain guides and weaksauce transmissions that fail at 50-80k?

See Jaguar, BMW, etc. All have had their problems and most require complete replacement by 100K.

[maxnix]

To those that defend accurate but impolite/condecending[(sic)/I] advice:Have you noticed that new members rountinely feel insulted?

I've noticed, and have been insulted because I was new about a year ago and didn't ask questions for a while because of the tone of some of the posts. It only takes ONE bad experience to lose a "customer."

Yeah, a lot of guys form the Hyundai boards are miffed when they ask about neon spinners for the Q45.

Knowledge is not gained cheaply or easily by the lazy.
Modified by maxnix at 9:03 AM 7/20/2006

[Rex]

Wow, this thread went awry something awful .

First, let me say Dennis (Q45tech) is both a Mod and a valuable resource of NICO, and if you don't care for his advice or the manner in which it's dispensed, don't read it. It's simple as that. Disrespect, abuse or insulting of any Mod/Admin will not be accepted.

Second, seek clarity anf uderstanding before responding. Dennis and most others would agree changing the filter from the top increases the likelihood that the MAF, MAF connection or any other MAF related item could get bumped or unintentionaly damamged. I don't think Dennis ever said relocating the oil filter was bad, his point was reaching from the top was bad.

Third, this forum isn't solely about modding Q45's, it's about enjoying them, and for some that means "bone stock", for some that means race fuel tanks and nitrous, for some that means OEM tires and fitments, for some that means in the weeds dumped with low offsets and stretched tires. Just seek to understand what others are doing and ask questions, be nice and finally don't feel you have to respond just cause you don't like how or what someone said.

Thanks

[superuber]

Wow, this thread went awry something awful .

First, let me say Dennis (Q45tech) is both a Mod and a valuable resource of NICO, and if you don't care for his advice or the manner in which it's dispensed, don't read it.

This is the best advice on this post! My filter doesn't even come close to the maf. I'm not worried about it.

One more thing, Andy, Peter, you guys are rebels!Andy, I see you are a therapist, I think Peter could use some therapy. For goodness sake he thinks he's Elvis!!!!

http://community.webshots.com/user/neheadsuperuber


Modified by superuber at 12:02 PM 6/30/2006

[Jesda]

See Jaguar, BMW, etc. All have had their problems and most require complete replacement by 100K.

Good point. And then there's Nikasil, the reason why you can get an E38 740 or for so cheap.

[3rd Q]

Wow, this thread went awry something awful .

First, let me say Dennis (Q45tech) is both a Mod and a valuable resource of NICO, and if you don't care for his advice or the manner in which it's dispensed, don't read it. It's simple as that. Disrespect, abuse or insulting of any Mod/Admin will not be accepted.

Second, seek clarity anf uderstanding before responding. Dennis and most others would agree changing the filter from the top increases the likelihood that the MAF, MAF connection or any other MAF related item could get bumped or unintentionaly damamged. I don't think Dennis ever said relocating the oil filter was bad, his point was reaching from the top was bad.

Third, this forum isn't solely about modding Q45's, it's about enjoying them, and for some that means "bone stock", for some that means race fuel tanks and nitrous, for some that means OEM tires and fitments, for some that means in the weeds dumped with low offsets and stretched tires. Just seek to understand what others are doing and ask questions, be nice and finally don't feel you have to respond just cause you don't like how or what someone said.

Thanks

I agree with Rex!

Dennis has 16+ years and 300,000 miles of experience driving a Q as well as the technical backround to back up what he says. He has seen more of these cars torn apart and put back together than any of us ever will. I beleive that experience and the huge amount of great advice he has freely given deserve respect. You don't have to read his posts or take his advice, but don't rag on someone you obviously don't know.

I have 11 years and a combined 185,000 miles behind the wheel of 4 Qs and have done practically all the wrenching on my cars, and I've learned more from Dennis in the past 2 years since finding NICO than in all the previous 9 years together! He has saved me literally thousands of dollars on repairs and for that I am grateful.

Mod your cars all you want, that is how we jointly learn what works and what doesn't. Let us know your experiences.

Paul

[ScottJackson]

I don't visit this site much. Mainly because the Q runs pretty well and I can end up figuring out my own issues with it when they come up. However, Dennis' posts with technical jargon do make sense. He is often a little too concerned with having everything be exactly as the factory made it, but that's just my view. I don't torque my wheel lug nuts to spec with the approved lube, but tighten them in a criss-cross fashion and plenty tight but not too terribly tight. It works for me. However, it's good to know what the factory specific specs are to have a general idea where you should be headed. Some things are more important to keep stock than others. I have an active Q and can pull the filter from the bottom. But it is a tight fit. The factory built most of the car to match the rest of the parts in it. Sure you can put on some huge shiny air filter, but you won't take much advantage of it unless you get your cams reground for more lift, port your heads/intake, upgrade exhaust... yadda yadda. Yes, the factory has bean counters who cheapen a car out, but the car has been cheapened as much as feasible in all areas so it's rare that you can upgrade one thing and have it make a real difference. The rear ratio is one, but as with most things, is a compromise.

[heywier427]

so who's pulled theyre coal canister out??? and what happened???

[texasoil]

Qwning and maintaining 2 Q45 ACTIVES, I would be spoiled with the access space of a standard suspension. However, I have not found removing the filter from the bottom too bad, even for my 'oak-tree' style arms. It IS important to have the correct oil filter wrench that fits on the end of the filter. Once, I had it done at a DIFY place and the gorilla used a 'spec' filter with round cap and lots of torque and dry gasket surface--no indentations for cap wrench. Then it was remove MAF and a long screwdriver driven through the filter to get it off.

If I were to relocate it, in front of the A/C condensor fans is the only spot on an active.

A standard suspension car has lots of room in front of the left side fender well plastic.

Charcoal canisters do a lot to reduce evaporative emissions--even a 100,000 K mile old one. One just does not smell gasoline around autos anymore.

[TAI CHI MASTER]

found canister hose not attached, reattached and notice car runs better after take off.

[DrewQ45]

Especially changing oil filter from the top! That ranks right up there with child abuse.

Sheeet! Try getting me to do it any other way....

The thought of pulling the belly pan to change the oil each time would lead me to commit car-abuse as I probably would skip now and then. At 203K I must be doing something right.... right?

...Drew...

[vicQ45]

So if I buy a car for 5,000 and sell for 10,000 thats not an increase?

By the tone of his posts its obvious he is! He doesn't like mods. A lot of us do. He knows these guys have moved their filters, and it works great!As far as his numbers, we don't care. Most of these guys are wrenching in the back yard. Not your master techs! As far as science, do YOU understand all these numbers! If so you are smarter than me! Signed, The stupid tech

[Q45tech]

203k is just getting broken in well for a modern aluminum V8 [not made by GM or Furd].

We need the 300,000 club.

[DrewQ45]

203k is just getting broken in well for a modern aluminum V8 [not made by GM or Furd].

We need the 300,000 club.

HA! I'm glad to hear that Dennis...

I sometimes wonder how much life she has left in her. No smoke and still idling smooth. 3,200 miles since my last oil change and not a drop of oil nor coolant added. Life is good.

[gniknave]

So your gonna believe some guy on the internet to fix your car? He could be a lube tech for all you know!

Some guy on the internet educated me about the chain guides on a 90-93 Q, and actually taught me how to do them myself successfully - TWICE. Both times, the car was close to death. So yes, I believe some guy on the internet lube tech or not.

Especially changing oil filter from the top! That ranks right up there with child abuse.

That's the only way I'll do it, and I've never had an issue with it. Don't even see a problem with it.

[bullittandy]

Yeah, a lot of guys form the Hyundai boards are miffed when they ask about neon spinners for the Q45.

Knowledge is not gained cheaply ro easily by the lazy.

I missed this the first time round. This is astounding! In response to my sharing that insulting people is a poor way of gaining their insight/expertise-Maxnix insults me!!

Lazy? Others or me? If you think I'm lazy then you're mistaken. I've replaced ALL maintainence items and a few wear items myself in the 22,000 miles I've owned my car.

I've been reading posts here for going on a year and I routinely, and almost always hear you "helping" people by telling them to search. I don't think that I've ever heard you offer a solution that was your own (although I'm sure you'll quote one). Telling people to read 9,000 posts by Q45 tech and using the search button is sanctimonious posturing.

[Peter Therock]

so what is bs?

[superuber]

I missed this the first time round. This is astounding! In response to my sharing that insulting people is a poor way of gaining their insight/expertise-Maxnix insults me! Telling people to read 9,000 posts by Q45 tech and using the search button is sanctimonious posturing.

Be careful Andy, remember we're not allowed to say anything badabout the mods. Oh, it's ok for them to throw out insults, but we can't.This post is proof of that.

Owners and incompetent repair persons [masquerading as techs or web site experts] and those that suggest some modifications are the number one cause of Q ending up in a crushers.

See, its ok for some but not for others,

So what if he is? Atleast he isn't posting worthless numbers about coefficient drag! <78>+=45 deg. =mc2.... see anybody can make claims.............do you undestand this? I just computed the drag of mars in a polar storm! prove me wrong!As far as 300k, who cares, whats his car worth..50 cents?As far as reading, get a life!I hope he's not on flat rate, all the time he spends typing in worthless figures I don't see how he makes any money as a master tech!!

Now look what Peter wrote. He got in big trouble! (He's a newbie)Are you getting the picture?

Wow, this thread went awry something awful .

First, let me say Dennis (Q45tech) is both a Mod and a valuable resource of NICO, and if you don't care for his advice or the manner in which it's dispensed, don't read it. It's simple as that. Disrespect, abuse or insulting of any Mod/Admin will not be accepted.

OK for some, but not us.In conclusion:If you insult anyone make sure it's a newbie.(unless your someone special)To avoid any future insults:Use the search botton.(do I sound like someone?)Buy a service manual.(unless you want someone to tell you how to fix your car)If all else fails, go back to the Hyundai site!

http://q45.org/

[qsiguy]

Sooo, how about that coal canister, hehe.

[squeefoo]

Sooo, how about that coal canister, hehe.

Unless you can jump in your time machine and go back to 1987 or so, and argue with a bunch of Japanese engineers about it... -it's best to leave it in. ...unless it is really, actually, diagnosed as bad.

[qsiguy]

Hehe, didn't really care about the coal canister, just pointing out this thread went way off track.

[squeefoo]

Hehe, didn't really care about the coal canister, just pointing out this thread went way off track.

I know... that was my way of putting it on track (if possible).

[skywise6854]

wow i guess i didn't really expect to see this on this site shame on all of us

coal canister threw a cel when one of the small vacuum hoses was disconnected and it smelled like gas on occasion also perf felt slightly off but that could just be me being over sensitive