OK - Mechanic is stumped. any ideas??

[onosqv]

HAHAHAHA. As long as he gets the job done.

GOOD LUCK!

[Mustangs_Suck]

HAHAHAHA. As long as he gets the job done.

GOOD LUCK!

I should of found some blow for him - maybe he woulda got the job done sooner

o well - thank you!

[Mustangs_Suck]

Mother ****er. He got the new plugs + ignition coil - still NOTHING.

I just called and talked to him for 30 min. giving him all sorts of ideas/things that could be wrong. EVERYTHING you guys have mentioned - he has checked at least 3 times over and over again, pressure tested, ohm test, everything - everything is hooked up correctly, he has checked every hose on it at least 5 times. He has checked the wastegate on the turbo 3 times to make sure - it's not stuck - He has seriously done everything on this car, and the turbo simply just does not work.

He started up my car and let me hear it - It idles perfectly - and revvs to 3000 rpm's without a hitch - the second it gets to 3000 it just sputters and falls flat on it's face. The turbo does not spin - he said the turbo is just not emitting the exhaust gases...very little exhaust comes out when it hits 3000 rpm's.

To me - this sounds like a bad turbo after talking with him...which is ****ing ridiculous - T25's suck complete *******, but the only other turbo I can get for my manifold is a T28 - and I'm not spending $700 for a new one of those.

He has also tested all before/after the turbo and inside the manifold - no leaks - nothing.

As a last resort - he is smoke testing the car on Tuesday, and seeing if smoke moves anywhere, which would indicate air is leaking out of that place.

What would cause a turbo to not spin? The blades aren't bent to the point it just wouldn't move - it has normal shaft play.

I'm stumped. After tuesday, if he finds nothing, I'm probably just going to spend $150 and get the turbo rebuilt and ****ing hope that's the last of it.

[iknowyoulike]

hey mustang i started to have this problem too only i killed both turbo's i had...do you have a restrictor on your oil line? i do and i think that might be my problem...i think the hole is too small and is starving the turbo of oil...right now the car idle fine, drives fine, vaccums fine ,just it wont boost i took the inlet pipe off of the turbo..to fine a bad shaft play though so im looking for a t28 now and i'm gonna enlarge the oil restrictor to hopefully solve this problem...i'll let you know if this fix the problem,,,the second turbo crapped out on me in less than 2 hours i was so freakin pissed....here's the restrictor i'm running it does look REALLY restricted doesn't it?

[Mustangs_Suck]

Ya I do - restrictors prolong the life of turbos though from everything I've heard, so idk what to tell ya.

[Mustangs_Suck]

OMG - Ok I just talked with the mechanic for about half an hour. He's lost it..he's MENTALLY INSANE.

I have to get my car out of his shop - but there are 2 problems.

1) The car doesn't work right and it's a 45 min. drive back home2) He's going to charge me TONS of labor for stuff he DIDN'T do - but I can't prove he didn't do it - even though I KNOW he didn't because of the conversation we just had. I'm not paying him a penny.

He slipped up on his lies. He recommended me this guy to rebuild turbos. I called him and told him what was going on. The guy told me it doesn't make any sense why it wouldn't work if the wastegate was functioning properly, the flapper in the turbo was functioning properly, the wastegate line was pressurized, and you could move the shaft with your hands (meaning the blades aren't so bent that they can't move).

So he asked me if I could bring the turbo in to inspect it. I said yes.

I called back the mechanic and told him he wants to inspect the turbo, and he flipped out on me. He started saying "But i'm the ****ing mechanic, it's my ****ing job to fix the car", and "Why would he want to inspect it? that's crazy!"

He then told me "Why don't you have him inspect the blown turbo instead of this one" (WTF)

He also tried to get me to say no, by saying that "you know all the rack and pinion steering and bolts and all that need to come out before I can take the turbo off right?"

And he ended it with "I'll inspect the turbo myself - no..I"ll call Jeff instead" (which is the guy who he recommended me to) and then he hung up on me.

I called him back 20 min. later and he said that Jeff wasn't in anymore, and that he guarantees me the turbo is bad. He then proceeded to tell me why he "knows" that. He said " I put a turbo we have from an Audi on your car and it worked perfectly" (I can NOT believe he thinks I'm this dumb).

Later on he said "I'm putting new vacuum lines on right now call me back" (why would he do that if the car worked with the Audi turbo?? I'm just playing his game now even tho I know the Audi turbo is not compatible with my manifold. I don't want him to get suspicious - who knows what this guy is going to do).

I Finally got him to say he'll pull the turbo off and I can come pick it up at 3pm tomorrow.

My dad is going instead of me - honestly I'm afraid...this guy is a nutcase - I believe he's a coke addict - seriously.

How the **** am I gonna get my car back, working, and not pay this *******?

god damn my luck. **** this car. **** it.

[onosqv]

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives..."

I feel so bad for you, but I can't help laughing, HAHAHA. So sorry, hahaha. Classic drama. Good luck man, seriously.

If it's been there a month and he hasn't fixed anything, I say only pay him standard diagnostics fee - $45-$100. I don't know what will happen if you don't pay him, DDUUUNNN DDUUNNN DDUUNNN!!

And iknowyoulike, is the restrictor hole correct size for your turbo? Secondly, do you have an oil pressure gauge to verify your car is putting out the correct pressure. I usually hear only about oil seals blowing from NOT using a restrictor. Maybe either something is wrong w/ your oil pressure level or the restrictor was not the right one for your size turbo... iono.

[Mustangs_Suck]

"Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives..."

I feel so bad for you, but I can't help laughing, HAHAHA. So sorry, hahaha. Classic drama. Good luck man, seriously.

If it's been there a month and he hasn't fixed anything, I say only pay him standard diagnostics fee - $45-$100. I don't know what will happen if you don't pay him, DDUUUNNN DDUUNNN DDUUNNN!!

It's ok man - I hear you - it's absolutely ridiculous - this **** is stuff you see in the movies.

He hasn't fixed ****..I guarantee it, but he lies and says he's put hours upon hours of labor into this thing of dis-assembling, reinstalling, checking, rechecking, double re checking, etc etc etc everything in the engine bay.

How can I prove he didn't? It's his word against mine...... jesus

[tonynalli]

well is ther any paperwork on your car being there, i woundt recomend it but...go there at night if its outside and take her for a joy ride and go home.....if it can drive

[iknowyoulike]

i think i had the wrong size restrictor...i needed a .62 size and instead i got a .38 probably to small and starved the turbo...killing it...but i'm freaked out to run the .38 size on the BB t28 too i don't want to kill that too....

Mustang...man i say try and get your car back fast and just have some buddies look at it man...seriously those guys are trying to take you for a fool....don't let them...!!

[Mustangs_Suck]

well is ther any paperwork on your car being there, i woundt recomend it but...go there at night if its outside and take her for a joy ride and go home.....if it can drive

no paperwork.

it stays indoors at all times.

[Craving4Boost]

no paper work? just drive away slowly...if he follows you..get out the car and knock his a** out...

[180sx]

DUDE 1 DON'T DEAL WITH MECHANICS THAT DO BLOW . THEY WILL SCREW U ONE WAY OR ANNOTHER , THEY ARE EXELENT AT ROLL PLAYING AND GETTING YOUR $$$.

The only people that ever tuched my car is frame man and body man after my collision and DUDES THAT CHANGE TIRES.

Dude 2 ka sohc is the simplies engine to work on sohc!!! get fsm save $$$ and time.

Last thing i belive your problem is MAF get a new /used anyone else . u drive fine up to 3k than its shiety thats MAF, turbo don't spool is it sized ? use your finger and rotate the blades ..when the car is off ofcourse 2 all your vacuum lines are hooked up ? and as others sad stuck open bov wastegate etc. how to drive it home= tow truck call caa or something.Good luck i don't trust a mechanic unless he knows me how u think they make money

[Mustangs_Suck]

DUDE 1 DON'T DEAL WITH MECHANICS THAT DO BLOW . THEY WILL SCREW U ONE WAY OR ANNOTHER , THEY ARE EXELENT AT ROLL PLAYING AND GETTING YOUR $$$.

The only people that ever tuched my car is frame man and body man after my collision and DUDES THAT CHANGE TIRES.

Dude 2 ka sohc is the simplies engine to work on sohc!!! get fsm save $$$ and time.

Last thing i belive your problem is MAF get a new /used anyone else . u drive fine up to 3k than its shiety thats MAF, turbo don't spool is it sized ? use your finger and rotate the blades ..when the car is off ofcourse 2 all your vacuum lines are hooked up ? and as others sad stuck open bov wastegate etc. how to drive it home= tow truck call caa or something.Good luck i don't trust a mechanic unless he knows me how u think they make money

lol you must of not read what happened a few posts up.

[paemt6220]

i think i had the wrong size restrictor...i needed a .62 size and instead i got a .38 probably to small and starved the turbo...killing it...but i'm freaked out to run the .38 size on the BB t28 too i don't want to kill that too....

Mustang...man i say try and get your car back fast and just have some buddies look at it man...seriously those guys are trying to take you for a fool....don't let them...!!

You do know that the restrictor goes AFTER the turbo, Right??

It sounds like you are putting it before the turbo, therefore restricting the amount of oil going to it. The restrictor, goes in the return line to keep oil in the turbo!

Chad

[180sx]

Yah i a m at work so there was more posts done while i was typing mine up. 'Still man fcuk the mech learn how to fix your own its simple . saves time money bullshiet and headache . Mechanic wise when u go to pick it up than arguee ask him to ****en show you how audi turbo works on your car tell him to show you whats going on u aren't than mechanicly noninclined are u to proof your point.Than pay the man so he can get some coke and get a law suit for money he ripped u off u don't need a lawer for that. just argue your points and let the judge decide.

And if i was your mechanic i prob go bonkers and start smoking rock when u told me he should listen to what some pps like us have to say on here . most of us here can't even freaken change our own oil let alone can advise what may be wrong haha

like look here : no offence butoil restriction on oil return thats like a bomb waiting to blow the seals . the whole idea is if your oil return is to small than you need a restrictor to restrict amount goin in not the other way around hahah.

[Kenrik]

Wow... just.. WOW dude... work on your own dam car!! it's easy and you know it's done right if you have a problem just ask on these forums and someone will always know the answer... There are people here who know the KA better then the dudes that designed it!!

[S14tat]

You do know that the restrictor goes AFTER the turbo, Right??

It sounds like you are putting it before the turbo, therefore restricting the amount of oil going to it. The restrictor, goes in the return line to keep oil in the turbo!

Chad

you are incorrect. the restrictor goes before the turbo. the whole deal with the restrictor is to stop the turbo from smoking. the reason why a turbo would smoke is becasue theres too much oil pressure going into the center cartridge. when theres too much oil pressure, it forces the oil past the bearings and into the turbine where it gets burned and starts to smoke. thats the same theory as why when you have a kinked or non smooth path for your oil return line, it will destory your turbo and cause it to smoke.

some turbos have built in oil restrictors, most done. if you look at how they actually look, they actually fit right into the feed for the turbo and you screw in the -3 or -4 feed line before the restrictor. the drain for most KA-T turbos is a square port with 2 screws with a -6 + size oil return line. the oil restrictor would not fit the drain.

my 2 cent.

[Mustangs_Suck]

Wow... just.. WOW dude... work on your own dam car!! it's easy and you know it's done right if you have a problem just ask on these forums and someone will always know the answer... There are people here who know the KA better then the dudes that designed it!!

Lol i know..this is crazy. Turbos are being inspected by a turbo specalist right now..waiting to get word back.. Regardless he isn't fixing it anymore..idk what happened to him or what his problem is - I really think he's bipolar or a coke head....with how extreme it is I think it's Bipolar - he doesn't really remember anything he said, and is an awesome guy most of the time, but some days he's just literally insane.

I just need to get my car back here I don't want to pay for a 1hr drive tow god damn it.

[Mustangs_Suck]

Oh and the turbo guy said he'd charge about $400 to rebuild the turbo - rofl **** that. $400 for a T25? no thanks

[Mustangs_Suck]

Turbo guy just called - said there's no reason the turbos shouldn't be boosting.

He said they are pushing a bit too much oil through the intake - but that wouldn't cause it to not boost.

I told him the situation and he told me he's gonna call the mechanic (he's been doing business with him for years) and see what the **** is wrong with him.

ugh.

[Mustangs_Suck]

OK. here's the deal.

The turbo guy talked to the mechanic. They troubleshooted for awhile, etc etc etc and then the mechanic brought up the fact that when it gets to 3200rpm's the car just falls flat on it's face - this is where the problem was solved.

The turbo guy told him that with or without the turbo installed the car will work to it's full rpm range, so he said that he missed something or did something wrong - and that's that.

He told him to plug up the oil line and re-route the MAF and then start working on finding out why the car won't go over 3200 rpm's. So "your turbo doesn't work" is no longer valid.

I think I am just going to get it rebuilt. I have 3 T25's currently. I *should* be able to get my newest one I bought refunded for $150 since the guy I bought it from on here (Colton) seems like a really good guy. And I should hopefully be able to sell my other one for $50 or so. So in reality it should only cost me $200 for a rebuild (which is cheaper than a brand new T25) and it'll get rid of two more things I'd just end up having lay around the house.

So who knows..while the mechanic acted very irrational - he really may of been telling the truth the entire time, and is probably VERY frustrated from my car (which is understandable). He's been a fair guy to me on price in the past, so maybe he'll be fair again with me and only charge me labor for the initial troubleshooting/testing he did on all turbo lines and whatnot, but not all the other hours of running the same tests and whatnot since we've now all found out it had nothing to do with the turbo.

So now...wtf would cause my engine to only rev to 3200rpm's before just falling flat on it's face???

[SonyPete]

I think someone already suggest a bad MAF a couple posts back.

[Mustangs_Suck]

I think someone already suggest a bad MAF a couple posts back.

He said he tested it and it's good but *Shrug* who knows.

any other things that would cause it to not rev past 3200?

[onosqv]

Test it yourself. You said yourself, the guy is bipolar. I'd take the FSM to the shop, and test the damn thing myself. It seems it would be either MAF or ECU - not rev past 3k is a "fail safe mode" feature. And if you don't believe the few ppl who have said so on this forum... we are gonna have to go cokehead on ur ***!

Hehehe, funny thing... if you read through all your posts... you seem a little like a cokehead. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever gets you through the day man.

[Mustangs_Suck]

Test it yourself. You said yourself, the guy is bipolar. I'd take the FSM to the shop, and test the damn thing myself. It seems it would be either MAF or ECU - not rev past 3k is a "fail safe mode" feature. And if you don't believe the few ppl who have said so on this forum... we are gonna have to go cokehead on ur ***!

Hehehe, funny thing... if you read through all your posts... you seem a little like a cokehead. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever gets you through the day man.

Yeah..we'll see if he finds it or not with the little time he had today, and the little time he has tomorrow. He said he tested the MAF and it was all proper voltage, as well as the ignition coil..so who knows.

My posts are simply posting the information as I get it...so I'm pretty much speaking as my mechanic - ...you can understand how frustrating it is with how up and down he is..it's nuts.

[Florida240sx]

Tried reading all this but goign to ask....Does it fall flat on it's face sitting in neutral or only under load? Because my car fell flat on it's face too.As soon as the turbo would start to spool...reason...spark plug gap. I know it's an obvious thing to check but sometimes oyu forget the little things.

[Mustangs_Suck]

Tried reading all this but goign to ask....Does it fall flat on it's face sitting in neutral or only under load? Because my car fell flat on it's face too.As soon as the turbo would start to spool...reason...spark plug gap. I know it's an obvious thing to check but sometimes oyu forget the little things.

It'll be in neutral and he'll rev it and when it hits about 3200rpm's it just dies.

[paemt6220]

you are incorrect. the restrictor goes before the turbo. the whole deal with the restrictor is to stop the turbo from smoking. the reason why a turbo would smoke is becasue theres too much oil pressure going into the center cartridge. when theres too much oil pressure, it forces the oil past the bearings and into the turbine where it gets burned and starts to smoke. thats the same theory as why when you have a kinked or non smooth path for your oil return line, it will destory your turbo and cause it to smoke.

some turbos have built in oil restrictors, most done. if you look at how they actually look, they actually fit right into the feed for the turbo and you screw in the -3 or -4 feed line before the restrictor. the drain for most KA-T turbos is a square port with 2 screws with a -6 + size oil return line. the oil restrictor would not fit the drain.

my 2 cent.

I am not disagreeing with you! I thought I heard of people restricting the return to solve oil starvation problems in thier turbo. Sorry

[Mustangs_Suck]

Ok. I am buying a 5speed ECU (there is an auto in it currently) a distributor for a 5speed (there is an auto in it currently - mechanic said if you have a distributor for an auto, and swap to a manual, it may mess things up - is that valid??) and a Z32 MAF.

He said he can get it to 5000 rpm's when he revs it now....but only 3200 rpm's when you drive it...he's doing tons of tests going back and forth with the turbo guy..they are re-routing the MAF soon and whatnot and seeing what happens now with the exhaust manifold off the car.

I'm just gonna get an upgraded Z32 to get it out of the way now.