Ok, let's talk about Qualifications and Experience

[Cold_Zero]

In all fairness, I think you can add Gen MacArthur to the list of those who barely made it yet turned out to be a great leader. Get a copy of "The Long Gray Line" and you'll look see what they go through - it's far, far more than merely academic.

I'd love to continue this, but I've got work to do for a few hours. I'll be back later today.

When I was talking about the USMA book, I was talking about the Year Book they produce. It has all the USMA classes in it by order of graduation. I will have to check out Long Gray Line and my dad might already have it.

[Cold_Zero]

I hear open-minded liberals say this quite often.

Age is a poor a reason to pick someone to be President.

Wasn't age an issue for Ronald Reagan? That famous line in the debates that he would not hold his opponents youth against him...Ha!

[audtatious]

Interesting, so far.

One person came up with one qualification - Obama went to an Ivy League school. Others make references to McCain and Bush, but no attempt to offer any qualifications. Some admit that they prefer the unqualified guy.

Obama worked himself through Ivy League schools (two summer jobs, must have been a cheap school) so he must understand the common mans plight. Growing up he learned all about communism and socialism due to the time he spent with Frank Marshall Davis so he should have a firm understanding of those. He should have a firm grip on radical views as well since he was mentored later on by Madeleine Talbot during his time with ACORN, spent 20 years in church with his mentor Rev Wright, has associations with Bill Ayers (announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers’ home), Rashid Khalidi (PLO), Nadmi Auchi and has backing by farrakhan and the Black Panthers. He has knowledge of poor housing conditions and the way slumloards work (Rezko who has give him a quarter mil for his campaign (returned after it broke the press) and they have some property dealings together). Obama is strong with understanding issues in the Gov with lobbyists (as he has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money). Has sponsored numerous bills in IL to show he has been a successful Senator (granted, they were all written by State Senator Ricky Hendon who appointed Obama as the bills sponsor) and has passed two bills in the US Senate ( one for the Congo and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat), thus he is a successful politician.

There's more experience but I'm already nauseated....

[C-Kwik]

I wonder if most people look at qualifications for President in a very general sense. Perhaps looking at what an ideal president might have. However, we might want to consider who the right man for the job is for the next 4 years. This country is a mess right now. We need to start untangling some of this mess. In 4 years, we reevaluate and determine who the person best suited for the country is at that time.

Think of it like a corporation. When a CEO is chosen, they not only consider the long term, but they also consider what they need in a leader at that time. Especially when the company is in shambles. Somne leaders are good at certain roles, but not at others. Unlike corporations though, we get to choose and reevaluate on a 4 year basis automatically. Corporations can do so at anytime, but need to initiate such a process if they want to change leadership. Ours is simply built-in.

[96Qowner]

Draw out the sandbox and we'll play in it. Otherwise the whole debate is moot.

I thought I had. I assume you read the opening post.

What are Obama's qualifications and experience for the Presidency of the USA?

If you don't give a rat's ***, then yes, it's moot. That was one of the choices, in fact it seems to be the overwhelming choice of Obama supporters.

"We don't think the President needs to be qualified n stuff".

[Cold_Zero]

C-Kwik,I like the corporate analogy. Maybe because I can best relate to it. We too are going through a rough patch with the markets down, lay offs and cut backs. Just had two of my friends severed this week.

bud

[WDRacing]

The real issue is that OUR opinion of qualified is simply different then yours. It does not mean we're not making an informed decision. Are you telling me that more then 1/2 of the US that want Obama over McCain are all stupid and don't know anything?

His qualifications are his background, education and political experience...period. He's not someone that works at a Circle K like you're preaching.

He didn't serve in the Military...thats it.

Just because YOU don't think that is ok, doesn't mean it isn't. Just because YOU don't think that he is qualified doesn't mean he isn't. What do you friggin want, a list of grades, every single thing he has done in his life from birth till now is what makes him qualified. If YOU are failing to see that...then it's YOUR fault...not ours.

If the best person YOU can offer as an opponent to Obama is McCain then YOU just lost the election. So apparently the ultra stupid people of America have chosen someone that can barely tie his shoes, can't dress himself and OMFG...he's black to.

I'm not all upset, I'm just tired of you saying we're making a bad decision simply because YOU disagree with it. That's politics bro...

His experience and qualification have been listed. His background, education and principles are enough to make me choose him over McCain...every time.

WD

[WDRacing]

Senator from Illinois; born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961; obtained early education in Jakarta, Indonesia, and Hawaii; continued education at Occidental College, Los Angeles, Calif.; received a B.A. in 1983 from Columbia University, New York City; worked as a community organizer in Chicago, Ill.; studied law at Harvard University, where he became the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, and received J.D. in 1991; lecturer on constitutional law, University of Chicago; member, Illinois State senate 1997-2004; elected as a Democrat to the U.S. Senate in 2004 for term beginning January 3, 2005.

There ya go. Those are the qualifications for the next President of The United States Of America.

[audtatious]

His experience and qualification have been listed.

Where dat b bro, I missed it....

[WDRacing]

I guess I'm just stupid Matt...

But me and every other stupid American are making sure McCain doesn't see the Presidency. So it really doesn't matter I guess...

[AZhitman]

Don't need to, the majority of the country is voting for him

Not to bring up ancient history, but I seem to recall sitting with you in a *ahem* "gentlemens' club" on an election night not too long ago when the "majority of the country was voting for" the guy that lost.

[WDRacing]

Doesn't matter, I didn't vote for the guy that lost

[audtatious]

I guess I'm just stupid Matt...

But me and every other stupid American are making sure McCain doesn't see the Presidency. So it really doesn't matter I guess...

You stated his qualifications had been listed and I'm requesting a link to that list.

[AZhitman]

I think my question still stands, from 1997-2008 what has Obama Accomplished as a politician and what experience has he or could he have gained? He has been a politician for 11 years. Now not to diminish his community (civil) service. I think that this swings into his favor, just as McCain's 23 year military service helps him.

The reason why I am not going to vote for him is that his beliefs are incongruent with my own personal beliefs. Plain and simple.

bud

Agreed.

Well, he certainly had little to no effect on gang violence in his home state... DO a little reading on his "pet project" and see what an utter failure that was... coupled with his record on punishment for gang-related homicides because they "discriminate"...

Gee, ya think?

It desn't make one a racist to point out that there ain't a whole hell of a lot of White "Crips" and "Bloods" running about.

[AZhitman]

Doesn't matter, I didn't vote for the guy that lost

Just pointing out that all is not as it seems.

[audtatious]

I LOL'd about his comment yesterday

“Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English, I agree with this. But understand this, instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they’ll learn English, you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish.”

[AZhitman]

1) Basically 96, you're hiding behind an issue (experience) that lacks any coorelation to the skills needed by a president.

2) Look at his resolution of the fuel crisis. Summer relief for gas taxes. That's really great, and solves nothing, but that's what you can expect from a career politician, freebies and lip service all designed to get votes at the expense of issue resolution.

1) So, you admit freely that experience is not critical. As long as we're ok with that, I'll throw my hat in the ring in 4 years.

At least I have common sense and an ability to stick to my convictions in the face of criticism. That's worth more than empty promises with no "meat" or substance. I'm not a flip-flopper.

2) Still waiting on Obamallama's "resolution". Agreed, McCain's proposal was weak... where's BO's answer to the problem? How's his knowledge of global economic issues?

Nope, "change" is a facade that the libbies are hiding behind in critising McCain, and it is a shallow one at that.

Fixed that for ya, bobby.

On a side note, the next person who correlates the War on Terror with our fuel crisis is gonna get an earful... Any idea where most of our oil comes from? HINT: Only one ME country is in the Top Five... and it ain't Iraq or Iran, and it ain't even in the top 3.

[Encryptshun]

I thought I had. I assume you read the opening post.

What are Obama's qualifications and experience for the Presidency of the USA?

If you don't give a rat's ***, then yes, it's moot. That was one of the choices, in fact it seems to be the overwhelming choice of Obama supporters.

"We don't think the President needs to be qualified n stuff".

Call the kettle black much?

That said, maybe this would be more constructive if you set some parameters around what you consider to be a "valid qualification to become President." What constitutes as a "qualification" is otherwise a VERY subjective matter.

So far I've heard two from the McCain camp: Executive experience and Military experience.

You still didn't address the point I was actually making in the post. And don't confuse me for an "O-Baaaaah-ma" supporter. I have not made up my mind about which choice is less wrong for the country, and I was hoping to learn from this thread. My post was meant to encourage more specific and more clear conversation by better defining the topic.

[WDRacing]

Education / background and upbringing / principles / Senator

Thats it...all he has. If you want more information, you can read one of his biography's that explains his background and his principles. Those are qualifications. Whether YOU think they good enough is moot...they simply are.

Do I need to continue to post the same thing over and over again or is that enough?

You don't like him...and that is fine. Vote for McCain...

[wingFeather]

Are you telling me that more then 1/2 of the US that want Obama over McCain are all stupid and don't know anything?

Believe it or not, there are many people who are stupid in this country. Most of them are Democrats. They feel that higher taxes & more money thrown at the poor will fix mankind's ills. Sad, but true...

[rn79870]

I thought I had. I assume you read the opening post.

What are Obama's qualifications and experience for the Presidency of the USA?

If you don't give a rat's ***, then yes, it's moot. That was one of the choices, in fact it seems to be the overwhelming choice of Obama supporters.

"We don't think the President needs to be qualified n stuff".

The more we point them out, the more you ignore them. Let's turn the issue to a discussion of the current problems facing America . Then we'll see who is more qualified to "lead" America.

The #1 problem - the economy. Who is better at addressing that, McCain with all his military/military committee experience, or Obama with the education/experience he has. Finance is a subject McCain has little or no experience in.

Issue #2. Peace in the middle east. Tell me how McCain has the skills necessary to address that problem. He doesn't. He lacks a moderate approach to the issues involved. At least Obama is open to sitting down and listening to the parties. That's a good start in my opinion.

Issue #3. Iraq, and bringing US troops home. McCain's military experience may well lead us down the path that has failed thus far. Obama has said the right things in this regard.

Issue #4. Energy. Obama far exceeds McCain here. McCain is basically clueless. Summer tax holiday as a means to resolve the fuel issues facing the country. That's a joke. Obama isn't perfect here either, but he at least has an idea that there is a problem greater than the mere price of a gallon of gas.

Issue #5. Health care. McCain's plan is ridiculous. Obama's isn't terrific, but it's viable.

Issue #6 Social Security. McCain's allowing individuals to choose their investment for retirement is ridiculous. 70% of the American population can't save a dime, let alone save for their retirement. FAIL. Obama wants to raise SS taxes on $250k plus incomes. I'm good with that.

Now, here is your chance to defend McCain. We've pointed out why Obama's fresh approach is beneficial, and you keep claiming that there is a magic formula that leads to a viable president. Obama is constitutionally qualified. He's the better of the 2 choices. But I'm waiting for your defense of McCain's position on these 6 issues.

Your insistence that military experience is something this country needs. Many of us believe that military experience isn't a prerequisite for presidential service. Even if Colin Powell were running, his military command experience wouldn't lean me towards voting for him unless he acknowledged the mistakes and errors of the current policy.

Now, it's your turn to show where McCain has one viable plan to lead America out of any of the above listed issues. Without bashing him, he simply doesn't have the experience necessary to lead America in 2009.

[WDRacing]

Believe it or not, there are many people who are stupid in this country. Most of them are Democrats. They feel that higher taxes & more money thrown at the poor will fix mankind's ills. Sad, but true...

That is your opinion, totally out of place in this thread and completely arrogant.

I hate supporting a Democrat, but the Repubs have a total piece of crap running in opposition. I want to see change...ANY friggin change. McCain just doesn't seem like he's the man for that.

I'm no friggin Liberal...I'm all for Global warming, getting rid of carb, removing the cat from every car I have, removing the speed limit, legalizing drugs, killing people that commit crimes...I could go on for days.

BUT...I simply don't like McCain...even a little.

Can one of you, apparently smarter then me, people tell me why I should vote for McCain? I haven't voted..obviously...but I can't seem to like that short old gonna die soon shady trickster looking sob.

But my ears are open and I do listen to you guys.

[rn79870]

On a side note, the next person who correlates the War on Terror with our fuel crisis is gonna get an earful... Any idea where most of our oil comes from? HINT: Only one ME country is in the Top Five... and it ain't Iraq or Iran, and it ain't even in the top 3.

Yep, that country GW has ties to. You know...

[96Qowner]

The more we point them out, the more you ignore them. Let's turn the issue to a discussion of the current problems facing America . Then we'll see who is more qualified to "lead" America.

Ignore ... what? No one is pointing out any qualifications.

I have a better idea. Let's respond to the first post in the thread - you know, like tradition.

[WDRacing]

For the McCaine supporters...

zerothread/350996

[rn79870]

Believe it or not, there are many people who are stupid in this country. Most of them are Democrats. They feel that higher taxes & more money thrown at the poor will fix mankind's ills. Sad, but true...

I see Brian already disposed of that post, however, I'll add this. We already know you are a McCain supporter, so why not defend your candidate and his platform instead of bashing Obama. Do you even know what McCain's position is on the 5 or 6 biggest problems facing Amnerica?

[WDRacing]

This thread needs a little humor...

Bob, I know you don't know Derf one of our former admins, but you type just like he used to. I suggest removing the boxing gloves

[wingFeather]

I want to see change...ANY friggin change.

I can't believe you call me ignorant, then write something like this.

Do you understand the type of "change" you'll be getting will be negative? He attended a church that taught black theology and black liberation for 20 years. Just because he “doesn’t attend it anymore” doesn’t mean he won’t bring the same beliefs to the oval office.

If you want change, cut off your arm or gouge your eyes out. Now THERE is real change!

Leave America for the rest of us to enjoy.

[WDRacing]

I can't believe you call me ignorant, then write something like this.

Do you understand the type of "change" you'll be getting will be negative? He attended a church that taught black theology and black liberation for 20 years. Just because he “doesn’t attend it anymore” doesn’t mean he won’t bring the same beliefs to the oval office.

If you want change, cut off your arm or gouge your eyes out. Now THERE is real change!

Leave America for the rest of us to enjoy.

First off...GFY. What you posted couldn't be backed up by fact. That is what I meant. That kind of posting doesn't need to be made in a serious thread.

Leave America...if you were anywhere near me right now you'd be picking yourself up off the ground...if I didn't kill you out right. I served in Spec Ops and Combat Rescue for 12.9 fvcking years you POS...I gave you your right to type on the friggin forum and you're gonna tell ME to leave...

f*** You

[audtatious]

Education / background and upbringing / principles / Senator

Thats it...all he has. If you want more information, you can read one of his biography's that explains his background and his principles. Those are qualifications. Whether YOU think they good enough is moot...they simply are.

Do I need to continue to post the same thing over and over again or is that enough?

You don't like him...and that is fine. Vote for McCain...

You know i love ya bro. I think you are wrong in this instance but that's OK