Oil filter relocation

[Highway Q45]

I tried a search and no banana. Does anyone make an oil filter relocation kit for the Gen1 Q? If not, is any one familiar enough with other Nissan filter mounts that could be adapted to the Q. I've done this before on other cars and it keeps me honest on the change intervals. Why do the Japanese designers always put them in such difficult locations to ensure the biggest mess? I know it's crowded in there but there must be room somewhere.

Thanks,Steve

[AZhitman]

What a great idea! I had relocated the filter on my GranSport and installed a dual-filter conversion kit - Real easy to get to, no mess.

[sultan]

nobody makes a Q specific but there are universal ones that fit most nissans. According to the Fram guide the Q uses the same oil filter as the 240SX and 300zx NA/TT, so i would assume that the universal or a 300zx kit would work. Check the guide next to you are at an auto parts store, and see how many nissans/infinitis use the same oil filter.

[Highway Q45]

TD Performance sold through Summit Racing seems to make a possible kit (#TRD-1158 @ $40.95). Their kit is complete with fitted hoses compared to the Perma-Kool (#10695) kit with rubber hoses and hose clamps. I'm trying to find out if the kit version has vertical/or horizontal fittings. I also asked them about height placement concerns, if any, of the new filter mount. Don't want any dry starts. Next comes the search for a suitable mounting area. Another good thing is that it takes the much larger Ford style filter. This means I can get more options in high-grade filters than Framis Genericus. Even though the thrill of hot oil running down my arm will be missed it's one of those $40 sacrifices I'm willing to make if it works. If any other options turn up please add them to thread.

http://www.tdperformance.com/TDperfrm.html

Steve

[AZhitman]

Why would the #1158 fit? Doesn't it have to mate up to the oil filter placement?

I'm thinking relocation of the battery to the trunk would free up plenty of oil filter space.

Dennis, whatcha think? I like the idea of doing all my own oil changes.

[PalmerWMD]

I'm thinking relocation of the battery to the trunk would free up plenty of oil filter space. I like the idea of doing all my own oil changes.

Me too.As you know my battery is relocated to the trunk.

Fred..

[AZhitman]

FYI - Just got off the phone with PermaCool. The kit they sell (#10695) will allow you to keep using the Genuine Nissan oil filters. WOO HOO!

It's $34.95 from Summit Racing.com.

IMA GO GET ONE!!!!

[Highway Q45]

AZ,Go for it, personally I like threaded oil lines. For $6.00 more it has a better set of hoses without the worry about leaks and heat softening. They both come from Summit Racing, mount and do the same thing. I'm going to try and find a location other than the battery area. Right now I can't afford an $$$ Optima battery in that size. There probably are other ventless Absorption Glass Mat (AGM) batteries (Wesco?) made to prevent gassing your trunk area. Hope you get to yours first and can pass on any tips. Just for fun, you might want to check if those "genuine" Nissan filters aren't being outsourced to domestic companies. The good old OEM Mazda filters are all made in Canada now by Fram...is nothing sacred?

Steve

[Dinkydow]

I like this subjuct, I just spent part of 3 days trying to get my oil filter off of my 94 Q. If the devil would had been behind me I think he would have turned a darker shade of red. I wished I had a cat so I could have taken it out on it. I went to Napa 3 times for different size ends a 3" inch was to small and a 3.25 was to big. Finally I found what worked in an old box of tools I was going to through away. Now that I have done it once I think problem solved. To stop the oil from runnig all over me I took a plastic oil drain pan and held it on my stomach until the oil from the filter pretty much stopped. I could hear it stop, then I moved out of the way and put the drain pan where I had been. I don't know if I was lucky or what but I didn't get a drop of oil on my self. I need you guys opionion about something, I bought 7 quarts of mobil 1 from Napa, we started talking about synthetic oil, he said we don't recommend synthetic oil for a car with 52k on it, I asked why, he said it will break the carbon loose in your engine and cause all kinds of trouble. I bought it anyway, but now I am getting worried?? The lady who owned my car lived in Las Vegas and only did city driving. What is your opionion should I use the Mobil 1 or not take a chance and use havoline!!! Thanks also for helping me with the question on the radiatior fan. Azhitman, how do I find your email address.. Thanks Wayne

[PalmerWMD]

In a lower mile engine such as yours MOBIL1 is an very good choice.I dont know what garde you picked probably one of the 30 weights, In general I feel 30 weights are too thin, with teh MOBIL1 30 weights are among the thinnest still listed as a 30.BUT at only 52 k miles I expect your engien to still run pretty tight so a 30 weight will be ok.Next fill go with MOBIL1 0w-40 or (if you see varnish) ValvolineSynPower 5w-40.40 weights are a real good choice for almost alll engiens despite the recent CAFE driven pro 30 weight guideance

More to follow

Fred...

[PalmerWMD]

There are a couple of good oil links in this link.

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....il%2A

Fred...

[maxnix]

I am with Fred. I converted my high mileage Q to Mobil 1 when it had 54K on it. No problems.

[Dinkydow]

Thanks for info Fren and maxnix, I already have the o il bought and I have used Mobil 1 in my last 4 cars and pickup but they were new, so after the guy told me about breakiing carbon loose I just wanted to run it past you once. I bought 10-30. Have either one of you ever changed your plugs by your self?? What I am getting at is, I know I can do it but not until or unless I get some guideness. I bought a K@N filter assembly for my Tundra a couple years ago and they sent instructions along to install that were top notch. They started with a picture and an arrow pointing to what ever you took off first and numbered it one and then another arrow and numbered it 2 etc. sounds like kindergarten but man did that help. Is there any place you can think of that would have that type of info for changing plugs in a 94 Q. I would even be glad to pay for that type of illustration. I am serious!! Thanks Wayne

[PalmerWMD]

Hmm,

I dont have that, plugs on a Q are notorious for being a hassle to do.I am sure daedalus could post some directions, when he sees this.

Fred...

[AZhitman]

The guy talking about not using syn due to "high" milage is a moron.

LOL - Good call, Fred.

Wayne - You can email me by clicking the "profile" button at the bottom of any of my posts.

Steve - Send me the link to the kit with the threaded lines, wouldja? I'm thinking of perhaps going ALL OUT with an inline oil cooler AND dual filters to increase system capacity. Quella's currently at the dealership (getting the dealer-inflicted bumper boo-boo fixed) but as soon as she gets home im going to look at the space next to the airbox as a potential remote filter location. Moving the battery is too much of a hassle.

Dennis - Any thoughts on this topic?

[Highway Q45]

AZ,Check your mail

Steve

[reggiegsd]

Does the oil pump have sufficient capacity for the additional load?

[AZhitman]

How would there be additional load generated? Relocation of the filter shouldn't create additional load on a closed-loop system (but I'm no engineer...).

[Highway Q45]

The only additional load would be if the new oil lines were way undersized or the filter was badly plugged resulting in higher oil pressure. Even then the by-pass loop would kick in if a quality oil filter were used. The biggest concern I believe is how high the new filter is mounted in respect to the original mounting location. I've done this on Jeeps, Miatas, and older Maximas with no ill effects. You ought to see the plumbing on track or rally cars, coolers, dual-filters, long runs of hose...the added benefit of additional oil capacity from a cooler and remote mount is a real plus. For those of us that change their own oil, it's a win-win.

Steve

[AZhitman]

Like I said earlier, I LOVED my dual-filter + cooler setup on my 68 GranSport. Coupled with the deep-sump oilpan I had made, it gave me 4 quarts greater oil capacity, too.

p.s. I found a used oil cooler CHEAP - Should fit RIGHT INTO the fenderwell... MWAHAHAHAHA.

[AZhitman]

Steve - Looks like I'm gonna go with the TD Performance (part # 1113) relocation kit from Summit.

Adding my $7 eBay oil cooler in-line as well, so I'm ordering 2 extra lines. I should add an extra 1.5 quarts capacity (based on my admittedly rookie calculations involving water, a measuring cup and a 120" length of 1/2" oil hose).

[Highway Q45]

AZ,

Are you doing the single or double filter kit? Good luck and keep us posted. If a $7 oil cooler falls from heaven I'll put one in also. In summertime Arizona an oil cooler is a must, here in Sacramento it's almost a must.

Steve

[AZhitman]

single filter (don't want to add any resistance)

I'll keep an eye out for you for an oil cooler cheap.

[DAEDALUS]

If I was going to design a dual-filter kit, they'd be in parallel rather than in series, thus reducing system resistance. Unless, of course, one filter had a tighter mesh than the other.

[AZhitman]

Are there any "cons" to running an oil cooler on the Q? I'm looking at the framerail style (long, narrow unit) cooler, to be mounted low in the bumper (behind the lower "grille" area). Is there a risk of the oil staying "too cool"?

Also, can a trans oil cooler be used for this purpose? I'm not seeing much difference between engine oil coolers and trans oil coolers.

TIA to the experts!

[PalmerWMD]

Are there any "cons" to running an oil cooler on the Q?

Yes.

Cuz , you never really know if your car needs it.You dont want to run your oil too cool, either.I wouldnt put one into a NA daily driver , unless I was about to run the silver state classic.

Fred...

[EWT]

Are there any "cons" to running an oil cooler on the Q? I'm looking at the framerail style (long, narrow unit) cooler, to be mounted low in the bumper (behind the lower "grille" area). Is there a risk of the oil staying "too cool"?

Also, can a trans oil cooler be used for this purpose? I'm not seeing much difference between engine oil coolers and trans oil coolers.

TIA to the experts!

You do not want to use a transmission cooler for engine oil. There is very little pressure in the cooling loop for auto transmission fluid, unlike engine oil. I've never measured oil pressure on a Q, but it can be 100psi+ on a cold start in some cars. Also, rubber hoses and hose clamp based "universal" kits are a very bad idea. You want something with fittings and braided lines.

Assuming the adaptor plate has a thermostat (many do), excessive cooling isn't a problem. However, unless you drive your Q on a racetrack, an oil cooler is probably overkill, especially if you use synthetic oil, which works well to high 2XX temperatures.

[DAEDALUS]

It's 50-80 psi at cold start, and maybe 12-15 psi at hot idle and 75 psi at 4000RPM hot. One car's measurements. Not sure what it is when cold at higher RPMs.

[Qdog]

Has anyone done this, does the filter fit next to the air box ? Over at the battery side seems like a long run from the current filter location. Since the good OEM Nissan filters are no longer made, what would be a good filter size/type to go to with the relocation ? A dual parallel filter set-up would be great, but I don't see space for that.

[tkd_q45]

Did any of you actually do a remote filter? If so could you post pics?

Q's filter seems like such a PITA to get to!