That dash was at a Tweeter store that was closing. It was amazing the stuf they were just throwing away (nevermind the stuff I walked off with) and I was worried someone would toss that too.Ali 556 wrote:''this is NOT a trash
NOT to throw away''
lol @ the dash
Well if you want to be a douche about it, I could argue the fact that bigger brakes add more unsprung weight, reducing the handling capabilities of the vehicle. They also add more rotational Inertia. If they aren't overheating and boiling the brake fluid, or producing brake fade, there is no point.a_ahmed wrote:There's no such thing as 'these brakes are too much' lol... Sheesh.. I have z32 brake setup with semi track pads.. i love it.. but i want more. Why settle for less. More does not always mean better, but more done in a proper and setup way = good.
Usually the people who say "why do you need that, you don't need that" tend to be people who don't have it, can't afford it, or never will get it or something along those lines lol.
The whole point of adding more things to a car (the right way) is to perfect a car and make it beyond anything else. At least that's how I look at it. Not what others want or have.
I really look forward to this project
So, according to your post, bigger brakes make a car handle worse... but then again you wouldnt put 14" Brembos on a stock suspension S13...they would go on a fully prepared car to 'allow' for added performance.And you need more than just 'good' rotors to keep from having brake fade... mostly it is the pad and the fluid responsible for brake lasting quality on the track. We run a Wilwood ultralite setup on our Race Car, with a set of Hawk Hp Plus pads typically, but if it is a road course type of race... Hawk HT10 or Hawk Blues with ATE super blue or Castrol SRF fluid. And in this case the brakes overall weight is less due to the 2 piece aluminum hat rotor design and lightweight 4 piston calipers...which means there is less rotating mass and unspring weight on the front of the car... One other thing....bigger - better brakes, allow you to accelerate longerand brake later in a turn, when done properly overall lap times will be faster.And before you go hating...... the Z32 Alum. caliper setup should be fine to use, not saying that its not at all, simply stating that Racing designed brakes are going to be better suited to a "Track Car."PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:
Well if you want to be a douche about it, I could argue the fact that bigger brakes add more unsprung weight, reducing the handling capabilities of the vehicle. They also add more rotational Inertia. If they aren't overheating and boiling the brake fluid, or producing brake fade, there is no point.
The point is, a set of Z32 Brakes with a good set of rotors should do just fine. Money saved by going with them instead of your baller 23" rotor 10 piston caliper setup could be spent elsewhere for a better value.
haha, no idea. I meant to include brake fluid in that list I posted up there. But yeah, I agree that big brake kits are also made lighter as well (lower unsprung weight), as far as reducing rotational intertia... I'd have to see the 2 rotors side by side with raw data, so I can bust out some equations and see if that is true. I thought most light weight rotors shedded their weight towards the hub rather than the outer rim of the rotor. Either way, I'm sure its not THAT significant, I was just trying to make a point about cost effectiveness.ZL-Auto wrote:
BUT, i do like the reference to a 23" rotor with 10 piston calipers... isnt that Buell Front brake almost 20" ???
Modified by ZL-Auto at 1:54 PM 7/10/2007
Donate... I like that, as soon as i can get one of the manufacturers to GIVE (as in Free) me a set... i will Donate.the converted wrote:So who wants to donate a set of nice lightweight brakes to the cause?