OBAMA WINS!

[E7-S14]

Don't assume. He is an American citizen living in another country. And can still vote in US elections.

Z

yeah i knew thatthat comment was fueled by comments made in this thread.

its completely irrelevant to this thread.

[themadscientist]

u dont even live here?

I live in Japan. You know that. So, what was your motivation for asking a thusly rhetorical question?

[Bawkchicken]

finally we have something in common

I'll drink to that!

BTW, as I write this early on Thursday morning (working late ), I've had a chance to watch the reactions and emotions from people all day on the news, and I have to say that I'm very pleased with what I've seen. I may not agree with the majority Obama's politics, but he has charged the people of this nation with emotion I've never really witnessed before in regards to political climate. His victory seems to have made such a positive effect on so many people's hopes and outlook on life, I really hope it helps lift the country into a more positive state for long time to come... but I'm still gonna complain if/when my taxes get used to "spread the wealth"! What? You knew I had to sneak that in there somewhere!

[smockers83]

My view is not of communism, or free handouts for those below poverty level. My view is that we should live in a society of equality. Meaning that the wealthy and unwealthy have the same opportunities. Our country is more equal then ever before and this is great.

Probably not. You cannot see your opportunity clearly in this environment. I was there and I had to get out to find success. So what does this mean? It means that individuals of all color who are in poverty are at a great disadvantage. This is why there is affirmative action and reform programs like the one you spoke of at the Metropolitan Church.

You seem pretty well put together and are able to formulate a well written thought and for that I commend you and respect your view. However, to say one person's view is biased because yours is different does not necessarily mean it is biased. Something of that nature that you responded to is a personal take/choice and was purely analytical. If someone wants to pay less taxes, so be it. However, what the difference between you two represents is a differing view of what role the government should play in society, not a biased post. A biased post would be something skewed in such a way to fit a position.

Equality in society as you describe is very socialist to the point where it essentially is communism. Communism isn't a style of government, its a style of economy. To give everyone the same choices to have equality is fundamentally communist/socialist. In communistic/socialistic societies, there are wealthy and poor people as well. Our country is more equal than ever? Based on what? Because I beg to differ and it better not simply be because one man was elected to an office.

Low income people really do have the same opportunity, its just like you said though, its harder for them to see. We don't need to create a socialistic society in order to "give" them more opportunity, they just need to know how to seize the opportunity as you apparently did. They can go to school and go to college with federal and state aid, not many of them may know that, so they just need to be educated on the fact. In that sense we can show them more opportunity, but to call it equality of society, I don't know about that one.

Affirmative action wasn't created to help low income and poverty stricken people and it hasn't necessarily helped people of all color. It does not promote equality either. The consequences of affirmative action are that someone of color gets an opportunity someone who is white deserved more, or some such thing. It could even be between two minorities, disadvantaging one over the other. It brings diversity but not equality because now the person that was more qualified does not have the opportunity. This is why states are finally taking down their affirmative action statutes as jobs and other opportunities shouldn't be decided on race and those statutes require race/gender/etc to become a factor.

[BigMACKenzie]

WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS??? i still wish McCAIN would have one!! i dislike obama!

one what? one gruesome freakish facial expression? one sexually attractive and unqualified VP choice? or maybe one more chance to bring up being a POW and how being shot down by and captured totally qualifies him as being leader of the free world? Good job becoming the next "get a brain morans" guy. I will say McCain had a truly exemplary speech after losing the election. If we had seen more of that man on the campaign trail he probably would have done at lot better come election time. The Aryan hooligans booing made me laugh though, keeping it classy. Also did anyone else notice the white ppl screwing up their own chant by being so off beat it hurt as well as changing what they were screaming halfway through, throwing 3/4 of the crowd off beat a second time?

[JustinStrife]

The Aryan hooligans aren't as classy as the black thugs in Philly who were intimidating white voters with night sticks during election day...

There will be no 'coming together' for this country. Even under the 'Messiah'.

[adrianfromthecastle]

[yotik]

You seem pretty well put together and are able to formulate a well written thought and for that I commend you and respect your view. However, to say one person's view is biased because yours is different does not necessarily mean it is biased. Something of that nature that you responded to is a personal take/choice and was purely analytical. If someone wants to pay less taxes, so be it. However, what the difference between you two represents is a differing view of what role the government should play in society, not a biased post. A biased post would be something skewed in such a way to fit a position.

First off, i like the avatar.On that note i need a restroom break.

Thanks, I took my assessment test today and they say I have college levelEnglish skills (yippie) though ive never been to college.

Equality in society as you describe is very socialist to the point where it essentially is communism. Communism isn't a style of government, its a style of economy. To give everyone the same choices to have equality is fundamentally communist/socialist. In communistic/socialistic societies, there are wealthy and poor people as well. Our country is more equal than ever? Based on what? Because I beg to differ and it better not simply be because one man was elected to an office.

I firmly oppose communism. It may seem as a communist viewpoint but its actually very liberal. Its about creating an environment where people have the choice to succeed, and are not trapped in a struggle essentially created by those more fortunate. Reason being, the higher the standard, the tougher the climb for people at the bottom. As I see it, if you want to be a lawyer, be a lawyer. If you want to work at Burger King, go fill out the application. Pay your dues and you will eventually get there. In our society there are people who NEVER had a chance to be a lawyer let alone manager at burger king, who may very well have the fortitude.

I mean how can someone do their book studies for law school if they have no place to rest their head?

And on the note of equality in this country, Obama has a long way to go. To think that would be racist. Im not racist. Im black, my girl is white and her son is asian/white. I have a kid with a half Native american girl. My family is the freggin melting pot LOL

But we are more equal than ever is because just a short 100 years ago people were still being hanged in the USA. So id say its more equal now than ever.

Low income people really do have the same opportunity, its just like you said though, its harder for them to see. We don't need to create a socialistic society in order to "give" them more opportunity, they just need to know how to seize the opportunity as you apparently did. They can go to school and go to college with federal and state aid, not many of them may know that, so they just need to be educated on the fact. In that sense we can show them more opportunity, but to call it equality of society, I don't know about that one.

For the most part I agree here. This is a great idea The only thing here is, how do we make it so that people can see their opportunity?Is it enough to just make things available for people?

I mean everyone in america has the freedom to go to college but tons of people fail to go because they cant even think about going to school when they cant afford transportation. Trust ive been there. I used to walk 2miles to and from school every day because I couldnt afford bus tickets. The closest school bus was a mile walk and pointless to get up an hour earlier to catch it.

So in reality some people dont have the opportunity because the hurdles you have to jump to get the opportunity make the opportunity unrealistic.

Affirmative action wasn't created to help low income and poverty stricken people and it hasn't necessarily helped people of all color. It does not promote equality either. The consequences of affirmative action are that someone of color gets an opportunity someone who is white deserved more, or some such thing. It could even be between two minorities, disadvantaging one over the other. It brings diversity but not equality because now the person that was more qualified does not have the opportunity. This is why states are finally taking down their affirmative action statutes as jobs and other opportunities shouldn't be decided on race and those statutes require race/gender/etc to become a factor.

It is closer to equality but i agree it doesnt solve the problem. We should be more invested in higher education etc on a state level than rolling out some washed over solution to this. Its nice to see the progress we are making as a country nonetheless. I like your thoughts bro you have enlightened me.

[smockers83]

First off, i like the avatar.On that note i need a restroom break.

I firmly oppose communism. It may seem as a communist viewpoint but its actually very liberal.

But we are more equal than ever is because just a short 100 years ago people were still being hanged in the USA. So id say its more equal now than ever.

For the most part I agree here. This is a great idea The only thing here is, how do we make it so that people can see their opportunity?Is it enough to just make things available for people?

I mean everyone in america has the freedom to go to college but tons of people fail to go because they cant even think about going to school when they cant afford transportation. Trust ive been there. I used to walk 2miles to and from school every day because I couldnt afford bus tickets. The closest school bus was a mile walk and pointless to get up an hour earlier to catch it.

So in reality some people dont have the opportunity because the hurdles you have to jump to get the opportunity make the opportunity unrealistic.

It is closer to equality but i agree it doesnt solve the problem. We should be more invested in higher education etc on a state level than rolling out some washed over solution to this. Its nice to see the progress we are making as a country nonetheless. I like your thoughts bro you have enlightened me.

Gotcha. The avatar came from a poster from when I was in college. The poster was part of a series of posters that the university put out during Parents Weekend to try and curb student drinking. This one was the best by far as the text above the dude said "Choose to be safe and legal" and below it was URINATE.

Anywho, I understand you're against communism, I was just pointing out the fact that your point of view is very far left to where it can be attributed to communism.

The first post of yours that I commented on about the equality part, I see where you're coming from now. From your other post, I was thinking that you were talking about equality in the form of economic equality based on what you were talking about. In the way that I understand you now, I agree with you.

In the poor areas of the country, the reality that these kids can go to college needs to be pushed through by their teachers and subsequently the school board. Their goal shouldn't be just to get them through high school but to get them to college. A lot of it has to do with the teachers and that's where it needs to start.

There are economic hurdles to go to college for sure. Transportation is one. That is where federal aid comes in from the Education Department. In a student's FAFSA application, living expenses are figured in as well as tuition, books, and what not. Some schools have deals with local transportation departments to give students free use around the city.

Yes, a larger investment into the people going onto college would be the best idea. An investment in the people makes the largest returns for a government in that its workforce becomes more skillful and productive.

[ishkabibble]

The Aryan hooligans aren't as classy as the black thugs in Philly who were intimidating white voters with night sticks during election day...

There will be no 'coming together' for this country. Even under the 'Messiah'.

I wouldn't base anything on the actions of people from Philly. Philly is the butthole of the United States.

[Jesda]

I wouldn't base anything on the actions of people from Philly. Philly is the butthole of the United States.

Detroit begs to differ, and will fight you.

[ishkabibble]

Detroit begs to differ, and will fight you.

Detroit is the appendix. It doesn't serve a purpose anymore, and nobody will miss it when it's gone.

[480sx]

To any of you GOP guys who felt bummed out by this BO win, i just wanted to show you this pic. Your not alone, the world feels your pain.

[Cold_Zero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...e=dir

[AZ-ZBum]

Are you serious?

Hey lying douchenozzle. I see you're no longer posting in the classic Z forum. Why is that? Why aren't you telling us why you stole pictures from someone and claimed them as your own?

zerothread?id=378264

Do you even own a Nissan, let alone a Z?

[Bawkchicken]

one what? one gruesome freakish facial expression? one sexually attractive and unqualified VP choice? or maybe one more chance to bring up being a POW and how being shot down by and captured totally qualifies him as being leader of the free world? Good job becoming the next "get a brain morans" guy. I will say McCain had a truly exemplary speech after losing the election. If we had seen more of that man on the campaign trail he probably would have done at lot better come election time. The Aryan hooligans booing made me laugh though, keeping it classy. Also did anyone else notice the white ppl screwing up their own chant by being so off beat it hurt as well as changing what they were screaming halfway through, throwing 3/4 of the crowd off beat a second time?

Wow, I don't know if I should be calling this a racist/sexist post, or a sad attempt at making you feel better about yourself, because you hold some kind of guilt for being white. I have know idea what your race is, so I'll just say this was a pretty sad post in general, and I would guess Obama supporters are ashamed you associate yourself with them.

Also, I will never understand how Palin's qualifications for VP were more of an issue, than Obama's qualifications for the Office of the PRESIDENT. Unqualified individuals have made great Presidents in our countries past, you just better hope President-Elect Obama is among those great individuals. Making good decisions is what qualifies you as a great President, not how well you address the public. Only time will tell in this matter.

[audtatious]

We shall also see how they handle 4 years of catching flack for everything in the world being their fault.....

[Kalypso]

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



we really are the greatest nation in the world.

[themadscientist]

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



we really are the greatest nation in the world.

We were the greatest nation in the world on November 3rd too, no change.

[Bawkchicken]

We shall also see how they handle 4 years of catching flack for everything in the world being their fault.....

Ugh, I hope not. I give them until early 2010 before I start being critical of things myself. There's a big mess out there, and a lot of people/policies are to blame... not just one man, or one party. It will take time to start seeing progress in any direction.

[S13_love]

Ugh, I hope not. I give them until early 2010 before I start being critical of things myself. There's a big mess out there, and a lot of people/policies are to blame... not just one man, or one party. It will take time to start seeing progress in any direction.

Agreed.

[yotik]

Agreed.

+1

[audtatious]

Ugh, I hope not. I give them until early 2010 before I start being critical of things myself. There's a big mess out there, and a lot of people/policies are to blame... not just one man, or one party. It will take time to start seeing progress in any direction.

In general, you are correct. For core changes that he promised that he goes away from then he should receive lots of flack. Initiating change should start immediately with the majority knowing it will take years. Coming back and saying it will take years to even start initiating change is deflecting and dishonest, based upon his promises.

[smockers83]

Detroit is the appendix. It doesn't serve a purpose anymore, and nobody will miss it when it's gone.

Lets not forget the millions of people across the country who will lose jobs directly because of the Big 3 in Detroit or indirectly. If the any of the Big 3 fall, Honda, Toyota, and Nissan will have problems as well with suppliers that would go under. If Detroit falls, our economy will become much, much more worse. True story.

[phil4watching]

Americans made a huge mistake, and an inconsiderate one at that. Think of the people that worked their *** off to live the American Dream. Obama is ruining that. Three different degrees, and I have to suffer because I've been more successful. I have to give my money to the high school drop outs and felons. Thanks a bunch of America.

[audtatious]

Your America is not the real America. Get used to it.

[Jesda]

There's a reason why I disfavor large turnout. The feelers outnumber the thinkers.

[phil4watching]

Your America is not the real America. Get used to it.

eaxactly

[audtatious]

Just in case anyone forgot he won, he's making sure you all see it on TV



Wonder when he starts having flower girls drop pedals in front of him when he walks?

[SmithSR]

The feelers outnumber the thinkers.

That's pretty much spot on.

In fact, from now on all Jesda political posts are signed by me.

I don't have time nor inclination to type walls of text in response to car guys who think a new POTUS with old hardware behind the scenes has relevance, and Jesda pretty much hits the nail on the head with a couple lines of useful thought.

Good Job J. 9/10 would read again.