Obama's Shift and Say Anything Campaign

[WDRacing]

People against Obama have repeatedly said that they don't trust him. People for Obama say that we have nothing to fear, he will save us all. He will change the US because he "says so"...well what else has Obama said? How can I stand behind someone that has clearly been caught on repeated occasions simply saying whatever the public wants to hear in order to gain office. Do Americans want change so badly that they are blind to the fact that they are being told exactly what they want to hear? Are you really ok with having a salesman running the country?

Obama finally heads overseas to see the situation in Iraq first-hand, this video is an important reminder of the record Barack Obama has of shifting his political positions on the critical national security issue of Iraq for political gain.

"The Obama Iraq Documentary: Whatever the Politics Demand."

[audtatious]

Remove that link immediately. It is a smear and full of misconception and misrepresentation of what he really meant to say.

[rn79870]

Citing John McCain's web site is not what most of us consider an impartial source. John certainly has an agenda when it comes to discrediting Barak. Sort of like asking a fox how to guard a hen house.

There is another option too that is missed here. An intelligent person is fluid in his bliefs, remaining open minded and readjusting his position based on the dynamics of the situation. That may appear as shift to some, but to others, it's the sign of a good leader.

Look at the other side of the coin. Blindly following the procedures of the past that have failed, is not likely to produce anything more than future failure. There is a perfect example of why "change" is so necessary.

[skylndrftr]

McCain supporters are so afraid of their candidate that they can't even adress his flaws and have to take absurd and unfounded potshots at Obama...you guys really should form opinions of your own, not those you've been told by John McCain's website.

And just to be clear this is John McCain's campaign website, because John McCain himself is to much of a dinosaur to work a computer...

This forum is truely pointless at this point, none of you three have an open mind or are willing to disucss the issues at hand without pointless and petty bickering abotu the two candidates we're going to be choosing between in the fall.

[WDRacing]

Citing John McCain's web site is not what most of us consider an impartial source. John certainly has an agenda when it comes to discrediting Barak. Sort of like asking a fox how to guard a hen house.

There is another option too that is missed here. An intelligent person is fluid in his bliefs, remaining open minded and readjusting his position based on the dynamics of the situation. That may appear as shift to some, but to others, it's the sign of a good leader.

Look at the other side of the coin. Blindly following the procedures of the past that have failed, is not likely to produce anything more than future failure. There is a perfect example of why "change" is so necessary.

It's video footage that shows exactly how he is a switch foot and WILL say anything that is popular at the time. Just like how he LIED about his talks with the leaders of Iraq...

McCain's website and FOX are discredited? Why because they don't pander to the Liberal view? That's like saying, "well Obama didn't tell me he's a liar, so I don't believe it"...

How many times do we have to catch him lying and floundering around around before you realize that he isn't some "golden boy" that can save the world? He's telling you what you want to hear...WAKE UP!!!!

Does he send out horse blinders with his news letter Bob?

[rn79870]

Disagreeing with what others post is part of this forum. You've criticized and you've disagreed. However, complaining about the forum not discussing the issues has an easy fix. Post an issue and defend it.

Understand, McCain is so far behind that his team has to try to pull the rug from under Obama. That's all they have left. It is a sign that Obama is winning and that McCain's supporters are becoming frustrated.

[rn79870]

Brian, accepting information from McCain's web site as definitive for the truth about Obama is tentamount to listening to a used car salesman tell you that a car was only driven on Sunday to church. You're not real smart if you do.

Listening to Fox discuss Obama is about as ridiculous. Remember on March 8, Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes joined the chorus of media figures who have likened Obama's name to that of Osama bin Laden, when he joked: "t is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?' " Ailes made his comment while accepting the Radio-Television News Directors Association and Foundation's First Amendment Leadership Award.If that's the sign of an intelligent and unbias news director, then my dog bakes cookies.

Go get some good stuff that John McCain or one of his paid staff didn't write.

[WDRacing]

This forum is truely pointless at this point, none of you three have an open mind or are willing to disucss the issues at hand without pointless and petty bickering abotu the two candidates we're going to be choosing between in the fall.

Incase I misread 90% of your posts, you fall right in that description. Don't like this forum, feel free to stop reading any time you want to. One less guy slinging his coolaide around is fine by me.

Understand, McCain is so far behind that his team has to try to pull the rug from under Obama. That's all they have left. It is a sign that Obama is winning and that McCain's supporters are becoming frustrated.

I don't see how pointing out that he isn't the person you'd like us to believe he is by offering direct examples is pulling out the rug in some desperate act of frustration Bob. But I do understand that it's frustrating for you since you can't refute that he's floundering on issues that he supposedly was strong on. It simply shows that he'll take any stance that paints him in the best light.

Try skipping your coolaide for a few days, maybe you'll see the light.

[WDRacing]

Brian, accepting information from McCain's web site as definitive for the truth about Obama is tentamount to listening to a used car salesman tell you that a car was only driven on Sunday to church. You're not real smart if you do.

Here's the problem...it's not information at all...it's not something they had to research and source out on their own. They are direct quotes from Obama...so the source is irrelevant when the only point I'm trying to make is to simply show you that he does indeed flounder and change his stance to reflect whats popular and what will get him more votes. In short, he's a salesman. You can't argue video footage taken from OTHER places just because it was hosted on McCain's website...

[smockers83]

Barak

You know, I've seriously been thinking about this lately. How many people actually know Obama's first name, let alone how to spell it? If you're endorsing a candidate, please learn to spell his name. This ain't the first time I've seen this.

[srellim234]

You can find equally damaging evidence in McCain's past as well.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo....html

Unfortunately we're dealing with people who need their parties to get elected and are unable to put honesty and the country before the party.

I don't think there's any way that a statesman with any integrity can get elected president in this country.

[smockers83]

Unfortunately we're dealing with people who need their parties to get elected and are unable to put honesty and the country before the party.

I don't think there's any way that a statesman with any integrity can get elected president in this country.

Mainly because the public can't get away from their party either. This is the change we need in this country! But Obamamania can't change that. Why do we have to be registered voters of such and such a party? To bolster party morale and pride? To say hey, look at me, I can't decide for myself! People who vote along party lines are hypocritical in saying that people only get their news from one side/source...not to name any names or anything.

[WDRacing]

You can find equally damaging evidence in McCain's past as well.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo....html

Unfortunately we're dealing with people who need their parties to get elected and are unable to put honesty and the country before the party.

I don't think there's any way that a statesman with any integrity can get elected president in this country.

I totally agree with you. An Independent free from party politics would be the true change we need for this country. I believe all politicians are liars...but at least I'm willing to admit that fact.

My point was that Obama's stand on Iraq has gained him a huge following. Even though his stance has been proven to swiftly change in order to keep him in the greatest amount of spotlight. The surge won't work...I want to quit immediately, followed by the surge is working and I want to make the right decisions based on what it will take to rebuild Iraq. When his supporters are depending on him to withdraw immediately and stop the spending, shouldn't they at least acknowledge that their candidate is indeed now changing his plans and doesn't want to use any type of time line that can later be used against him. But instead he's using generalities like, after the rebuild. Which is the same thing they criticize Bush for doing with his, "win first" campaign. All of the sudden they don't mind generalities...

[audtatious]

This forum is truly pointless at this point, none of you three have an open mind or are willing to discuss the issues at hand without pointless and petty bickering about the two candidates we're going to be choosing between in the fall.

Wait a minute. Who is not open? You seem to like following me around and picking apart posts/stories where you can nitpick and find 1 (or 22 ) potential inaccuracies so you can invalidate the whole thing. Anything that is anti-obama is complete hogwash and YOU won't see any of it. We are all nothing but neocons right? I admit that Mac is a jackass. I have stated some of his policies are a crock of crap. I have been vocal about what I don't like about him from day one. I also feel that Obama is disingenuous on almost every aspect. From Ayres to Wright to Rezik to his stances on issues I find fault, hidden agendas and simply saying what he wants to get by. I have yet seen anything you or anyone else has posted that would show me what he is really about.

I would say you are worse than I am about being open-minded because I know McCain sux and is not the savior and purveyor of hope and change that is presented with conflicting statements and lack of substance.

[audtatious]

Mainly because the public can't get away from their party either. This is the change we need in this country! But Obamamania can't change that. Why do we have to be registered voters of such and such a party? To bolster party morale and pride? To say hey, look at me, I can't decide for myself! People who vote along party lines are hypocritical in saying that people only get their news from one side/source...not to name any names or anything.

If Hillary were in the race I would probably be voting for her....

[srellim234]

How true.

I flip back and forth between Fox News and MSNBC for the entertainment value and to keep my cardiovascular system in shape by reacting to the one-sided fabrications and propaganda. Moves my blood pressure up and down.

If you really look at Fox, it's obvious that no one over there took journalism 101 in college or even freshman journalism in high school. Reporting facts and a search for the truth aren't required and aren't wanted there. The old saying , "The truth shall set you free!"? It's true at Fox. You'll have all kinds of freedom as you look for a new job because you'll probably get fired for telling the truth.

I love watching Keith Olberman's show on MSNBC because it's funny but so much of it is taken out of context or misrepresented that you can't take it as fact, either. His lineup of panelist and guests are about as liberal and biased as you can get on the liberal side.

I try to read the LA Times daily (don't always succeed) and I do read the Wall Street Journal. Trying to keep a balance.

Other than that, if I hear of something I'm interested in I try to do a little reading about it online from reputable sources that I don't see as having a vested interest in trying to foist propaganda on me.

As for party loyalty, it is one of the worst things we can do. The other is voting based on one issue. It's the responsibility of each voter to study BOTH sides of each issue or look at all candidates and pick the one closest to your core beliefs across the board. I actually voted in an election here in California a few cycles back where I voted for Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, American Independent, Green and Peace and Freedom candidates on the same ballot for various offices. It really depends on the candidate and the responsibilities of the particular office.

[rn79870]

You know, I've seriously been thinking about this lately. How many people actually know Obama's first name, let alone how to spell it? If you're endorsing a candidate, please learn to spell his name. This ain't the first time I've seen this.

For some unknown reason, I leave the c out. Barack just never looks right. My spelling sucks, I need to get a spell checker.

[rn79870]

. Why do we have to be registered voters of such and such a party? To bolster party morale and pride? .

That's a pretty big stretch there. You can register as 1. Republican2. Democrat3. Independent4. Decline to state.

(Leads me to believe you aren't registered to vote.)

[rn79870]

If Hillary were in the race I would probably be voting for her....

If that were the case, I'd be arguing for McCain. The irony, it burns.

[WDRacing]

For some unknown reason, I leave the c out. Barack just never looks right. My spelling sucks, I need to get a spell checker.

I use the google toolbar, very functional for me, great features as far as buttons go and the spell check and autofill rock. I spell check everytime...cause I have to.

http://toolbar.google.com/T4/index_pack_xp.html

[srellim234]

WD-

FWIW, I almost turned off that video after the very first "discrepancy" as a carefully constructed propaganda clip created to try to fool people into believing Obama had changed his stance when he hadn't.. The very first clip from Obama that says the surge won't SOLVE anything. The supposed conflicting clip doesn't refer to a solution at all. The surge has reduced violence levels but it still hasn't SOLVED the problem.

Some of the others are pretty convincing but not any moreso than the discrepancies McCain has shown.

[audtatious]

If that were the case, I'd be arguing for McCain. The irony, it burns.

Realize how hard that was for me to say? Having to choose between Hillary and McCain would be a gut check for sure. Not happening so it's a moot point.

[srellim234]

That's a pretty big stretch there. You can register as 1. Republican2. Democrat3. Independent4. Decline to state.

(Leads me to believe you aren't registered to vote.)

smockers83 is in Michigan. Your list left off

Green PartyLibertarian PartyReform PartySocialist PartyU.S. Taxpayers Party of Michigan

Like California, Michigan voters have a lot of options when registering. I do understand his point, however. He doesn't want to be tied down to one particular party.

The only advice I can give, smockers83, is to pick the party that you align most closely with so you are able to hopefully get someone in the primary you can vote for. I used to do that with the Republican Party here since I lived in a Republican area that had more closely contested primaries than general elections for legislative offices. Tried to protect candidates in the primaries. Come general election time, though, you are able to cast off the party yoke and vote your conscience.

[smockers83]

Oh believe me, I'm registered to vote, ever since I turned of age. I had to vote absentee the first time I could.

My point though is, why do people have to identify with a party and vote that way? Why not form your own opinions instead of being fed what the party says, you know? Me, I consider myself an Independent, or maybe just a Republican willing to listen to both sides objectively.

For some unknown reason, I leave the c out. Barack just never looks right. My spelling sucks, I need to get a spell checker.

It wasn't directed towards you, I just used you as an example. It was a general question.

[audtatious]

Party affiliation does not mean you have to vote upon party lines. For the most part it's probably more for "trending" purposes of an election than anything.

[skylndrftr]

Incase I misread 90% of your posts, you fall right in that description. Don't like this forum, feel free to stop reading any time you want to. One less guy slinging his coolaide around is fine by me.

I think you have...I'm not an Obama fan, frankly though, it doesn't make a difference what I type here. I've been trying to explain that all three of the threads in he re that outright attack Obama aren't true. I would say the same if it was a McCain thread. its not that I don't like this forum I actually enjoy the majority of it.

The problem is (and it will likely show up again here) is that your basing and arguement off of half truths, outright lies, and logical falicies. If you have a point to make, make it in a reasonable truthful way. You insist that the Obama coolaidites have no resposne to whaqt you say but that fails because

1)How can I possibly have a discussion with someone whos response to "thats not true" isn't anythign besides "so what?"

2)Willfully using false information in any setting makes you a person not to be trusted regardless of your view point. More of it just makes you annoying, neither of these forrward yoru arguement or your point. In fact they actually hurt it very significantly. Audtitious posted 40 some odd quotes from Obama and you both got upset when half of them were utterly false and we threw out the whole threadf. What do you expect is goign to happen? This isn't a court of law (obviously) but you should have some personal ethical standards.

3)Your utter hatred for people that disagree with you, as opposed to the ability to have a reasonable and fact based discussion makes me truely sad. Sad for this country, sad that your candidate has offers so little that this is your only recourse to reaffirm your choice, and sad for you as a person.

Quote »Try skipping your coolaide for a few days, maybe you'll see the light.[/quote]what light? you literally said that McCain isn't great at the best you should be calling him the dimness

[WDRacing]

Look, we've been exchanging candidate bashing threads...so what. That doesn't even come close to who I am as a person. I'm simply bashing Obama cause I enjoy it and have nothing better to do. IMO he's a liar...period. So I'm enjoying myself by bothering his followers...that's it.

Don't for a second think that you know me...and don't ever judge me.

In case you were wondering, you come off like a pompous a$$ quite often. I'm not sure how you think you come across or how you think we're communicating, but when you come off like a prick, you will be treated as such.

You said we are close minded...you come off to US as close minded. I have spoken off Nico about that very thing...so it isn't just me. So before you explain how WE are doing something, take a quick glimpse in the mirror.

[skylndrftr]

I don't lie

[AZhitman]

1)How can I possibly have a discussion with someone whos response to "thats not true" isn't anythign besides "so what?"

Because we've heard "that's not true" in response to EVERY criticism of Obamalamadingdong that's posted. EVERY one.

OR, we hear, "That's from a biased source". Like I said in another thread, if it's FALSE, the attorneys would be ALL over it. He's NOT perfect, he's a liar, and the gloss is wearing thin.

I remember all the crying and whining and gnashing of libbyteeth when I was pounding on Gore and his lack of comprehension of ANYTHING he was blabbing about. Now, years later, I've repeatedly been proven right, time and time again, so pardon me if I ignore the "that's not true" nonsense.... Because there IS some truth to the critiques of BO.

So let's leave the "that's not true" to people who KNOW for a FACT that what's being said isn't true... I've got TONS more that haven't even been brought up yet... We'll get to those this week.

[audtatious]

Dude, just get over it. Californians and recent college grads know what is best for the rest of us and we must follow their ways or be labled neocons.