Obama's Shift and Say Anything Campaign

[smockers83]

Party affiliation does not mean you have to vote upon party lines. For the most part it's probably more for "trending" purposes of an election than anything.

I realize that, but it seems to me that most of those who tout their party affiliations by saying they're a registered member, all they do is throw up the crap that the party spoon feeds them and that's the only way to vote for them, a straight ticket. I guess if they really believe in what they're saying, fine, but they also don't look at other options--its the party's way (or most prominent people of the party) or the highway.

And the people who always say "that's not true" better go talk to Coach at Ok State to learn how to deal with the aftermath of their statements.

[smockers83]

And to go along with that:

1. Dumber than a fifth grader with cognitive dissonanceKids know what it means. They know most adults today can't see past the end of their noses. Liberals tune out candidate McBush for being lost in the past. Conservatives can't hear Obama without seeing that turban.Cognitive dissonance simply means most brains cannot see past their own narrow ideologies. They dismiss any data that contradicts their old ideologies. Whether you're a conservative Republican or liberal Democrat, you only hear what you already know is "true." All else is tuned out.

Found this in a story that I recently posted.

[audtatious]

I realize that, but it seems to me that most of those who tout their party affiliations by saying they're a registered member, all they do is throw up the crap that the party spoon feeds them and that's the only way to vote for them, a straight ticket. I guess if they really believe in what they're saying, fine, but they also don't look at other options--its the party's way (or most prominent people of the party) or the highway.

And the people who always say "that's not true" better go talk to Coach at Ok State to learn how to deal with the aftermath of their statements.

Where are the parties at? I keep missing them.

I'm a registered Republican. I've looked at McCains talking points along with Obama's and have spent about as much time on each of their sites (not much). The only "republican" site I visit is freerepublic and I watch threads and talking points on other non-party affiliated political forums.

[skylndrftr]

Because we've heard "that's not true" in response to EVERY criticism of Obamalamadingdong that's posted. EVERY one.

So let's leave the "that's not true" to people who KNOW for a FACT that what's being said isn't true... I've got TONS more that haven't even been brought up yet... We'll get to those this week.

Hitman, if you knew somebody who admittedly lied half the time, would they have any credibility the other half?

[audtatious]

And because the liar posted up information that other people, who are not known as liars, are saying is true then they are effectively to be ignored as well because the initial reference was from the liar?

[rn79870]

You didn't answer Sky's question. Would you trust them?

[rn79870]

You didn't address Sky's question. Would you trust them?

[skylndrftr]

rn hes kidna proving my point by admitting that hes not trustworthy.

as for your question Aud, I tend to discount people who agree or defend people like that.

[audtatious]

Then I'm a liar and not trustworthy. I can live with that. Please ignore any further posts by me and things will be just fine.

[ishkabibble]

I'm sorry, did you say something?

[heliochrome85]

either the bomb making materials are finally taking their toll on my cognitive abilities, or you guys are ALL on the rag. WTH? seriously, its getting a bit out of hand. can we please have two changes to this forum? Im not a mod, so i cant do it, but can we...1.) STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING---McBush, Bush Jr, Obamalama, Obush, Obamamalamadingdong, etc. Did i fall on my head or something? Last time i checked they were both distinguished US Senators and one of them will lead us for 4 years. Please give them the respect they deserve. Unless they personally offended you, or caused you harm, you have no reason to call them anything less than Senator Obama and Senator McCain. It knocks the knees out from under your arguement and makes you sound like a 12 year old.

2.) Have more equal coverage of both candidates? A quick peruse of the forum topics list shows a disproportionate number of blatant Obama-flame threads. If we are here to debate, can we make it a place where my opinion is just as welcome as WDs or Audatious's?

This forum is fun, but on an increasing basis, its been just painful because the arguements and tones made and used are so pitiful. I know im not the only one who thinks this way...

[themadscientist]

All opinions are welcome but be prepared to defend them. It will not be queensbury rules though so knuckle up. People bash both candidates with various degrees of tact. No matter who gets elected, I am scared. America is screwed either way.

[skylndrftr]

either the bomb making materials are finally taking their toll on my cognitive abilities, or you guys are ALL on the rag. WTH? seriously, its getting a bit out of hand. can we please have two changes to this forum? Im not a mod, so i cant do it, but can we...1.) STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING---McBush, Bush Jr, Obamalama, Obush, Obamamalamadingdong, etc. Did i fall on my head or something? Last time i checked they were both distinguished US Senators and one of them will lead us for 4 years. Please give them the respect they deserve. Unless they personally offended you, or caused you harm, you have no reason to call them anything less than Senator Obama and Senator McCain. It knocks the knees out from under your arguement and makes you sound like a 12 year old.

2.) Have more equal coverage of both candidates? A quick peruse of the forum topics list shows a disproportionate number of blatant Obama-flame threads. If we are here to debate, can we make it a place where my opinion is just as welcome as WDs or Audatious's?

This forum is fun, but on an increasing basis, its been just painful because the arguements and tones made and used are so pitiful. I know im not the only one who thinks this way...

+1 (not to say I am entirely innocent)

The Obama bash threads are really over the top though, and every thread that might address McCains policies turns into more Obama slander. Its really frustrating.

[themadscientist]

Political and religious discussions breed venom and it's not suprising so many degenerate into name calling. State your point, back it up and stick to it. They are both highly imperfect for different reasons and anyone who patently dismisses their guy's faults while crucifying the slightest blemish on the opponent just shows they are partisan and thusly their judgement suspect.

[smockers83]

either the bomb making materials are finally taking their toll on my cognitive abilities, or you guys are ALL on the rag. WTH? seriously, its getting a bit out of hand. can we please have two changes to this forum? Im not a mod, so i cant do it, but can we...1.) STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING---McBush, Bush Jr, Obamalama, Obush, Obamamalamadingdong, etc. Did i fall on my head or something? Last time i checked they were both distinguished US Senators and one of them will lead us for 4 years. Please give them the respect they deserve. Unless they personally offended you, or caused you harm, you have no reason to call them anything less than Senator Obama and Senator McCain. It knocks the knees out from under your arguement and makes you sound like a 12 year old.

2.) Have more equal coverage of both candidates? A quick peruse of the forum topics list shows a disproportionate number of blatant Obama-flame threads. If we are here to debate, can we make it a place where my opinion is just as welcome as WDs or Audatious's?

Guilty as charged.

Quote »This forum is fun, but on an increasing basis, its been just painful because the arguements and tones made and used are so pitiful. I know im not the only one who thinks this way... [/quote]When facts can't be distinguished from one's opinion/POV, arguments made against them do become pitiful as has been proven. I am making my return, but I'm going to try to refrain from entering any sort of hot debate about the candidates. Simply saying not true or claiming biased source does not aid in any way to a debate and sends us into a downward spiral away from civil and well-informed discussion. Really look at what's being said and comprehend it, where it is coming from, how it is presented, what the person saying something may be thinking in order to write what he did, put context into everything and make a very well informed counterargument if you have one. But context is everything as it sheds light onto subjects and puts things in new perspectives when put into the correct context. We aren't going to change the minds of the opposite side here as we'll just continue to bicker about it and point out faults in the other. With that, the truth is that we're going to vote for who we vote for regardless of what is said here as we all think differently and hold different views to heart, so to debate to the point of name calling, demeaning tones, and insults is just pointless and I will have no part of it, or try to, here on out.

[rn79870]

Political and religious discussions breed venom and it's not suprising so many degenerate into name calling. State your point, back it up and stick to it. They are both highly imperfect for different reasons and anyone who patently dismisses their guy's faults while crucifying the slightest blemish on the opponent just shows they are partisan and thusly their judgement suspect.

I think I'll make that post a sticky. Thanks TMS.

[WDRacing]

It would also help to STAY on topic...that way every thread doesn't digress into McCain vs Obama.

[96Qowner]

Really look at what's being said and comprehend it, where it is coming from, how it is presented, what the person saying something may be thinking in order to write what he did, put context into everything and make a very well informed counterargument if you have one.

to debate to the point of name calling, demeaning tones, and insults is just pointless and I will have no part of it, or try to, here on out.

Nicely put, smockers. All I ask is that a discussion be a discussion. It's a lot more fun to trade jokes and dish dirt, but that goes nowhere. It's better to actually respond to something, instead of tossing it aside or changing the subject. We can trade facts and strong arguments, or we can be amateur comedians. Frankly, amateur comedians bore the heck outta me - I see professional ones on all the news channels already. I never learn squat from listening to them, because they aren't the slightest bit interested in facts and arguments.

So when someone starts a thread with a list of apparently contradictory, changing beliefs by a candidate, the useful response is not "Liar!". You don't win an argument by refusing to admit the truth. You win it by providing some sort of reasonable explanation for that truth, like "I could compile a list like that for any candidate. So what?".

[srellim234]

"I could compile a list like that for any candidate. So what?".

Which is what I pointed out with the link I provided earlier in this thread. The same types of disparaging lists exist for McCain too.

Heck, they're all flip-flopping every day anyway. Every night they go to bed and in the morning they change their immediate objective based on how they feel and get up instead. Which is it, you flip-floppers? (Hint: I'm being sarcastic but I wouldn't be surprsed to see one of the campaigns try such a ridiculous claim).