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I beleive it is pronounced "nazz-kar" with a belch at the end.


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AmberLynne wrote:OMG I was saying, If I said hey he eats chicken like hes black. I'd get **** for being racist so saying white ppl can't dance is not allowed to be said either.

I can't even say oh I didn't know yall did that to a black person w.o them going omg ur racist.

Your dumb if you don't see that in todays society
I do see racism in today's society, I've also seen it first hand and I've also experienced "reverse racism" first hand as well. Black people like chicken, usually fried. They also like greens, are athletic, and have what I like to call rhythmic coordination. White people like their Polish sausage, can only high jump 3 credit cards, usually have no rhythmic coordination or only a little bit. There, I said it. If someone has problems with any of these statements, I would say they're subconsciously racist or are just too PC or hide their racism behind being PC. I could go on and on about stereotypes of different peoples all over the world, all of which have been used in comedy skits (Jews, Asians, Arabs, whites, blacks, Mexicans, etc...I've seen a lot of em). A lot of the stereotypes aren't exactly racist, they just represent the culture. Stereotypes of people where I'm from is that we're permadrunks, we wear our hunting gear 24/7, we drive rusty Chevys, and don't have indoor plumbing, electricity, or paved roads. The culture of the area that I am from though is rural, so we do hunt a lot, aren't very wealthy as an area, and we do drink a lot. Now, the stereotype that a black man or an Asian man is a monkey is racist. There is a line that can be crossed from being funny to being racist, but a lot of the time its funny because too many people are uncomfortable with it and someone's up on stage actually saying that kind of stuff and making it funny, hitting on the stereotypes that aren't really racist.

If someone gets bent out of shape on here because you say something about Obama, big deal. If they think what you said is racist and it is a stretch, chances are that they're probably secretly racist subconsciously.

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themadscientist wrote:I beleive it is pronounced "nazz-kar" with a belch at the end.
With a beer can to forehead and maybe a whistle at the 'S' because of the gap tooth.

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AmberLynne wrote:
excuse you??
I'm old and I'm originally from the south. I R a Racist. At least I didn't say anything about McCain hating watermelon....

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If you hate watermelon, the terrorists win.

Seriously, who hates watermelon, it's awesome!

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AZhitman wrote:Hash, I'm with you on privatizing prisons, but no way on the military (at least not as much of it as you want).

I AM for greater oversight and accountability, especially when it comes to getting what we pay for.

I think charlieo (or anyone in active duty) will agree - There's a lot of wasted manhours and lots of wasted resources... Some parts of the US military are a "tight ship", others are fraught with sloth, laziness, incompetence and waste.
I'm not sure why there's so much opposition to the idea of a fully privatized military (other than command).

It would make progression towards fully unmanned combat much easier. You would pay private forces to get stuff done, and they would be free to equip themselves however they choose. It would remove the whole inefficient appropriations process and the innate (and f**king silly) resistance the current military has towards unmanned warfare.

If you remove the human component from the battlefield, there's no reason the defense contractor (Lockheed, or Raytheon, or whomever) can't simply fight the war for you. Pay per objective. Obviously you'd have US military people in command at every level, but the actual personnel piloting the remote-operated forces can stay on the private payroll. They'd essentially just be playing a videogame anyway.

Loyalty can be bought. We don't have McDonnell Douglas selling F-16s to North Korea without our permission, do we? Of course not, because we can both arrest them and/or withhold our business. The latter is more compelling, as we will always be the biggest and most important client. This "loyalty" will translate to combat forces as well as material. Private armies fighting the United States' public wars.

The highest priority of the United States Department of Defense needs to be hastening our migration to fully unmanned weaponry (remote operated, not AI), specifically ground forces. It will forever change the way wars are fought. Modern wars are no longer fought in terms of human or material attrition, they are fought in terms of political attrition. He with the weakest political will loses. Having no lives at stake would remove the political component. We could intervene anywhere at any time with zero risk of loss of life, it would be an unbeatable deterrent to those who would seek to cause trouble around the world. We could come get them and have nothing to lose.

If the military as it exists is standing in the way of this progress for reasons of self-preservation, then privatization is the only alternative.

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America would be run by those companies as a police state in short order. Having private enterprises send bullets downrange for the red white and blue is very bad idea.


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themadscientist wrote:America would be run by those companies as a police state in short order. Having private enterprises send bullets downrange for the red white and blue is very bad idea.
I disagree.

Or hell, I wouldn't even really have a problem with the PILOTS (remote pilots, mind you) of unmanned units being military-employed rather than private. So long as all the hardware is owned by the PMCs (removing the appropriations process) and so long as the pilots aren't required to be over-trained.

The problem is that the military doesn't seem to want to do that. They don't like unmanned warfare because it changes the dynamic too much. I don't blame them, it's self-preservation, but that doesn't mean that they should be allowed to impede progress when so much is at stake.

I mean, right now, to operate a UAV, at least for the purpose of dropping ordnance, you need to be a fully-winged PILOT. WTF! Why? Why does that job require all that expensive training? It's a video game, just teach them how to play the video game. The military is just trying to justify themselves and their training programs when the inescapable truth is that, more and more, certain personnel and training won't be necessary.

I don't want this to come across as if I have some disdain for the military. I have an enormous appreciation what our men and women in uniform do for myself and this country. They put themselves at enormous risk to defend all of us.

So then, if we could REMOVE them from this risk, why would we not do that? What POSSIBLE reason would there be to stand in the way of that? I've never heard a good answer.

EDIT: If conservatives have so much faith in private enterprise to deal with every other aspect of society, why not defense? Why the sudden skepticism of the intentions of private enterprise? They're good enough for social security, for our prisons, but not for defense? What gives?

Privatize, Supervise, and Regulate.

Obviously I'm not suggesting that this apply to nuclear weapons, so don't anyone bring that up.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

there u go, theres proof people are only voting for obama bc hes black. this world is really sad. I'm sure over half the ppl voting for him don't know **** about his policies, nor do they care. Your going to see the REAL obama when he wins.

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themadscientist wrote:I think Barracks stiff jerky dance moves are an attempt to pander to white people.
I think thats a bit of a stretch but he does seem to be courting the William Shatner vote with his spokenn word version of one of the classics

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AmberLynne wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

there u go, theres proof people are only voting for obama bc hes black. this world is really sad. I'm sure over half the ppl voting for him don't know **** about his policies, nor do they care. Your going to see the REAL obama when he wins.
LOL! You're giving too much credit to these people. "You think Sarah Palin will make a good VP if Obama wins?" Yeah, sure!

They obviously have no clue what theyre talking about.

Sure there are some people who will vote for Obama because he's 'Black'. Just like there are people who wont vote for him cause he's Black. People in either group are idiots.

Now seriously, do you think there are White people voting for Barack simply because his dad's Black??

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hannibal wrote:Now seriously, do you think there are White people voting for Barack simply because his dad's Black??
Liberal white guilt. I find it so condescending.

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Jesda wrote:
Liberal white guilt. I find it so condescending.
agreed. alot do it bc they dont wanna look racist.

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!Harlem is crazy!

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You know, during the primary, I considered why Obama was getting so many votes from Whites. I just dismissed the idea, as no one can be so stupid. If this is in fact the case, add these people into the groups I mentioned before.

If you choose a candidate based on how you THINK you look to someone else, you're a moron.

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AmberLynne wrote:
agreed. alot do it bc they dont wanna look racist.
u type like real smart n stuff.If you want to be taken seriously, type out your words.

Howard Stern = Zero credibility in my book.

As far as people voting for Obama because he's black... It goes both ways. Everyone knows that there are people out there that wouldn't vote for him because he's black. And to think that all black people are as uneducated as those in that video is just plain idiotic.

My two cents.
Modified by takethewall at 10:25 AM 10/29/2008

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Priceless both videos

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takethewall wrote:
u type like real smart n stuff.If you want to be taken seriously, type out your words.

Howard Stern = Zero credibility in my book.

As far as people voting for Obama because he's black... It goes both ways. Everyone knows that there are people out there that wouldn't vote for him because he's black. And to think that all black people are as uneducated as those in that video is just plain idiotic.

My two cents.

Modified by takethewall at 10:25 AM 10/29/2008
hahaha your just as dumb as the people in the vids. I'm not going to waste my time with you.

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AmberLynne wrote:
hahaha your just as dumb as the people in the vids. I'm not going to waste my time with you.
Please, be specific about what in my post pointed out my apparent 'idiocy'.

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If you two want to go out on a date, please, just ask each other.

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or better yet, just go away...

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heliochrome85 wrote:or better yet, just go away...
dont come in if you have a problem with it then

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AmberLynne wrote:dont come in if you have a problem with it then
That's where you get a room.

There's a problem with that one...you came in after he did. Take your OMG sorority drama and political correctness elsewhere. It doesn't work in the real world. If you want to be taken seriously, act (type) like you want to be taken seriously and form rational opinions and debate.

He can dance and he cannot dance. Racist anymore?
takethewall wrote:Howard Stern = Zero credibility in my book.
However true that may be, can you still deny the fact that many people who are voting for Obama would react the same way to that interview? Personally, I think they would--white, black, Arab, Asian, Hispanic, whatever. If you ask a lot of people why they don't like McCain, they just give very vague answers. Same goes for when you ask why people like Obama. Now I'm sure its the same way for McCain supporters like the older lady that believes Obama is an Arab. People asked me those questions when they found out I was undecided and I gave them specific answers, whereas if I heard those same people being asked the same questions by someone else, all they could do was give vague answers such as "Oh, McCain doesn't know what he's doing!" This is what scares me about the Democratic vote. The other thing that scares me about the Democratic vote is all of the hard core lefties out there. Obama originally started campaigning far left of center and once he figured he had more of a chance, he moved towards the center. That means he still has ideas and roots in far-left center, another thing that is forgotten about and scares me.

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smockers83 wrote:
That's where you get a room.

There's a problem with that one...you came in after he did. Take your OMG sorority drama and political correctness elsewhere. It doesn't work in the real world. If you want to be taken seriously, act (type) like you want to be taken seriously and form rational opinions and debate.

He can dance and he cannot dance. Racist anymore?

However true that may be, can you still deny the fact that many people who are voting for Obama would react the same way to that interview? Personally, I think they would--white, black, Arab, Asian, Hispanic, whatever. If you ask a lot of people why they don't like McCain, they just give very vague answers. Same goes for when you ask why people like Obama. Now I'm sure its the same way for McCain supporters like the older lady that believes Obama is an Arab. People asked me those questions when they found out I was undecided and I gave them specific answers, whereas if I heard those same people being asked the same questions by someone else, all they could do was give vague answers such as "Oh, McCain doesn't know what he's doing!" This is what scares me about the Democratic vote. The other thing that scares me about the Democratic vote is all of the hard core lefties out there. Obama originally started campaigning far left of center and once he figured he had more of a chance, he moved towards the center. That means he still has ideas and roots in far-left center, another thing that is forgotten about and scares me.
e-thug.

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Watching the two of you do the mating dance is tedious, just cut to the angry sex already.


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