Obama Controling our entertainment subject matter, brainwashing?

[themadscientist]

Coming this season to CBS.

[AZhitman]

I brought some friends who disagree.

<telcoman>

"But...but... there's no BLACK people there! They're ALL racists!!!"

</telcoman>



For the record, anyone who can discern those people's heritage from a distance is better than me... and is guilty of profiling.

[srellim234]

First sentence in your first link:

"Just 42 percent of voters support Democrats' health care reform plans even though a majority wants Congress to pass some version of reform, according to a new poll released Monday. "

Read it again. Against the industry influenced Democratic plan, a majority is in favor of reform.

Your second link to Fox has no public survey figures in it at all.

Link #3 again deals only with the plan in Congress and not what the public in general wants. However, there is one figure in particular that indicates what the public is looking for:

"...As for those not affiliated with either major party, 70% are opposed if the public option is dropped. That’s up from 62% in the previous survey..."

Link #4 again only deals with what's coming out of the industry-influenced committees and not dealing with what the American people really want and need. But, from your 4th link:

"More than seven in 10 Americans, including majorities across party lines, say they think Obama and congressional Democrats should adjust the health-care legislation to appeal to some Republican lawmakers. Half credit the Democrats with making a good-faith effort to do so already, while most, 62 percent, say the GOP is not returning the favor."

A 70% in favor of doing something about it as opposed to just killing it is pretty overwhelming.

Try this general poll that doesn't refer to the specific plan in Congress:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...shtml

"A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans....

...When presented with the option of a government-administered health insurance plan similar to Medicare to compete with private health insurance companies, 72 percent are in favor and just 20 percent oppose. Even 50 percent of Republicans favor that option."

Unfortunately, that's not the type of bill we're seeing coming out of Congress.

[RobPaulson]

PS: This thread is about the indoctrination of our children and impressionable minds. Lets get off the healthcare thing.

[audtatious]

Hollywood is making sure future shows, for a set time frame, will present at least one of the characters giving their time to a "good cause" as a way to lead others to give their free time to social programs.

[srellim234]

That's as horrible and mind-controlling as the first President Bush with his "Thousand Points of Light" program. How dare anyone suggest that helping your fellow man is a good thing?

To those who criticize this:

Were you condemning the Republicans and the first President Bush when he was publicizing and recognizing people with television spots?

[RobPaulson]

To those who criticize this:

Were you condemning the Republicans and the first President Bush when he was publicizing and recognizing people with television spots?

how does this have anything to do with what we are talking about? why does bush always get brought up? i know, me personally, didnt follow politics of george bush junior or senior. I am young and have just started forming my own opinions on politics. All i see here is a typical left response to a direct complaint of an issue.

Me: I dont like this, because of these reasons... etc.Lefty: But your a republican! Republicans did this thing thats kind of similar back then! Your a hypocrite!Me: OK... But you still havent addressed my specific quarrells with the policy. Your blindly defending your position using the argument of an 8 year old. "BUT HE DID IT FIRST!!!"

give me a break. If what your saying about bush (and i do not approve of ALOT of bushes past actions either, I am FAR from a bush supporter) is true, its still indoctrination of youth. and it needs to be stopped. so why are you contributing to the confusion and paranoia of the name calling, finger pointing bi-partisan system? just to prove a point? even a score? get over it.

how can you not be absolutely appauled at the idea that the govt is injecting ANY KIND of message into our media? its just not right. regardless of what it is.
Modified by RobPaulson at 3:53 PM 10/20/2009

[srellim234]

If you don't like it, fine. And yes, it was Bush the elder, so it is not, "Bush is always brought up." , referring to the last eight years.

Many of us on this forum are old enough to have seen a lot more than you. It is commendable that as a younger person you are paying attention and getting involved. My error in assuming that you were old enough to have been in a position to have condemned such "brainwashing" back then. The question, though, is still valid in a hypothetical sense: would you have condemned it as brainwashing or would you have said it's o.k since it was coming from the right? Many of the people I meet daily are still of the "My side is always 100% pure and right and your side is always 100% lying and has evil motives" mindset.

I am a former staunch conservative Repubican turned centrist Independent because of exactly the hypocrisy you refer to. Both sides lie; both sides skew the truth for political gain.

I'm not appalled that the government would try interject a positive message into the media at this point. If the media had any integrity left they would refuse to accept it. If you, as a viewer, don't like it you're free to turn your television set off. Around our house it's primarily nature, science, kids and news programs and we dismissed network series as being garbage a long time ago. We pay attention to and limit what we watch.

This particular program you are referring to is going to wind up being no more damaging to the country than the "Thousand Points of Light" program. It will probably help in the long run because at least it might get a few people to take notice that helping others is not a bad thing. A lot of that was lost as government got bigger because it took over those charitable roles that were previously left to churches and private organizations. Now everyone expects the government to do it.

Modified by srellim234 at 1:13 PM 10/20/2009

One more point to add: I just went back and looked at the list of programs. Out of all those, the only ones we've ctually watched in the last year? Two episodes of "Ghost Whisperer" and we watch three of the Disney Channel programs regularly. They already had pretty positive messages.
Modified by srellim234 at 1:18 PM 10/20/2009

[heliochrome85]

did you at any point find any examples of the government injecting messages into our media? or is this thread still pure conjecture?

[_b.jaye_]

did you at any point find any examples of the government injecting messages into our media? or is this thread still pure conjecture?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCI6uh44eg0

mueeeeah, could be. lol. oh, right. you probably had something a bit more current in mind.

[audtatious]

That's as horrible and mind-controlling as the first President Bush with his "Thousand Points of Light" program. How dare anyone suggest that helping your fellow man is a good thing?

To those who criticize this:

Were you condemning the Republicans and the first President Bush when he was publicizing and recognizing people with television spots?

I criticize a lot of Presidents and Republicans. I also volunteered my time as a teenager without anyone on tv having to tell me I needed to. I also brought up the subject as it pertains to the thread.

Maybe mandating teenagers without jobs to 16 hours a month of "service" would make things much better. It takes a village, ya know?

[heliochrome85]

yeah, but how do you force through a mandated 16 hours per week? Wouldnt the response be, "Obama is trying to tell us how to raise our kids?" or even worse "Obama wants to turn our kids into green peace ACORN employees!!!!"

im not saying its not a good idea, im just saying that the level of vitriol being spilled to deface the presidents agenda prevents any ideas, whether good or not, to be discussed reasonably.

[RobPaulson]

im just saying that the level of vitriol being spilled ON BOTH SIDES prevents any ideas, whether good or not, to be discussed reasonably.

fixed that for ya. it goes both ways bro.

and I am discussing this reasonably. Let me state this again.

____________________One sided government programs should not be advertised and injected into the media.____________________

OK, now u go.

[heliochrome85]

it wasnt a criticism of you sir. it was a response to such a proposal if introduced by the president.

I still fail to understand the right's fury over any attempt to inspire kids to be better.

AND

You have yet to prove how Obama is manipulating the media to add sublmininal messages. Until you do that, you have absolutely no cause.

[RobPaulson]

You have yet to prove how Obama is manipulating the media to add sublmininal messages. Until you do that, you have absolutely no cause.

OK.

[RobPaulson]

There is no direct evidence that obama is doing this. I would even go so far as to believe that he may have no real part of it. But his administration sure as hell does. That makes him completely and utterly responsible for it. The facts I'm working off of are that many of the top decision makers in these networks complying with a government initiative also help support obamas administration financially. And this is all speculation. You are correct. But by the time concrete evidence appears, it will already be too late and an entire generation of "green peace ACORN employees" will already exist.

And this argument is going in circles:

I still fail to understand the right's fury over any attempt to inspire kids to be better.

I feel like liberals are lumping their ideals in with crap like 'relief for soldiers' and 'health and well being' and 'education for children' just so when someone like me, disagrees with it, you can go flinging ur propaganda crap about how i dont support education or soldier relief. i'm sick of it. try addressing the issues i have with the policies specifically instead of pulling the race/sympathy card without hesitation.

so unless we have something more constructive than pointing partisan fingers, i'm done here. keep holding onto that HOPE.

[heliochrome85]

bon voyage.

EDIT:

In hind sight, i had more to say. The reason why you refuse to actually discuss the facts, is that you are basing this entire theory on some sort of belief that in the future, you will find proof of Obama's cronies being behind this. Im sorry, i dont think that thats legitimate proof to cruicify the president in yet another thread. Go ahead and disagree with his policies, but i fail to see how the messages proposed in the original document, 1.) are attributed with liberal policy, and 2.) can be linked to Obama and his people, as to benefit them financially. Its trash like this, that makes it into the talk radio shows, and fires up the base. Its baseless, unsubstantiated claims like this. Its only a matter of time till we start thinking Obama is the devil, and will bring about the end of the world with his fasco-socialist policies.

oh wait...
Modified by heliochrome85 at 10:39 AM 10/21/2009

[srellim234]

I would be a lot more concerned if the list included things like The ABC Evening News, KTLA Morning News, CBS News, etc. Wanting positive lessons on our entertainment programs is something we should all want. Manipulation of the information the public receives through manipulation of the news is something entirely different and not indicated here.

By its very nature the news not only should be totally independent but I believe that it should be a little liberal in that it is responsible for informing us if we have a government that is violating our civil liberties and other rights under the law and Constitution. Once we allow the gov't to take them away, it's almost impossible to get them back.

Unfortunately, both the gov't and the news organizations just don't have any journalistic ethics or integrity any more.

[RobPaulson]

I would be a lot more concerned if the list included things like The ABC Evening News, KTLA Morning News, CBS News, etc. Wanting positive lessons on our entertainment programs is something we should all want. Manipulation of the information the public receives through manipulation of the news is something entirely different and not indicated here.

i'm not sure if i'm misinterpreting you here so bare with me.. but these advertisements for service and promotion of a better life and education point you to websites and organizations that present half truths and one sided arguments. they are doing the same thing as the mainstream media. people who go to those website to learn, will be learning only half truths, and in this case, those half truths help to advance the governments liberal agenda. this is why i believe this is text book indoctrination. if not directly influenced by the president himself, his administration absolutely has a hand in it. all of the evidence is there.

and again let me reiterate, i'm all for community service (I'm an eagle scout. I am an active community member and I do my part, I have done my part my entire life), children's education (i'm actually working on my teaching certification), puppies and long walks on the beach. but when an administration weaves these innocent and well intended ideals into political policy, i start getting a bit weary.

[audtatious]

yeah, but how do you force through a mandated 16 hours per week? Wouldnt the response be, "Obama is trying to tell us how to raise our kids?" or even worse "Obama wants to turn our kids into green peace ACORN employees!!!!"

Of course it would. You should not mandate anything nor force change via taxation. US citizens have the right to sit on their azzes and do nothing. The problem with our current system is we have a matrix in place which will provide for them to ensure they can live "comfortably" by choosing to do nothing, or choosing to spit out babies which can "earn" them more revenue they don't deserve. We have the wrong methodology in today's society in which a hand out is given more than a hand up. Entitlement reigns over incentive to succeed.

Nobody will make the hard decision to switch to a hand up system so we will simply keep penalizing those learn, work hard and succeed to support the continually growing percentage of those who do not have the tools or initiative to make it. Who's to blame? Those greedy people who bust azz, succeed and are eventually penalized financially for their success. Rich people only get rich from stepping on the backs of poor people. All CEO's make millions and millions on the backs of their poor employees. Companies, small and big, are simply here to provide jobs and benefits to their employees. Free market is bad. Social equality, from a financial perspective, is good, regardless of the individuals efforts or value.

Some people simply need to learn from the school of hard knocks. Living in my car with a pregnant wife back in the early 80's showed me what I didn't what to become and after years and years of hard work I am being penalized via high taxes for the good choices I have made. Those without, want what I have. Based on perception, I am rich as I have a nice home and nice cars thus, I can afford to pay more into social programs via taxation for those who don't have, don't care enough or have simply not found their niche. These people need to stop sucking the tit of socialized programs and get off their azz.

"Life's tough, get a helmet"....AZhitman

[heliochrome85]

Look matt, i whole heartedly agree with you. Im all for social responsibility and ending the stupification of the US, but the question becomes HOW??? One way to do it is by encouraging public service, moderation, personal responsibility. RobPaulson has a problem with that because he believes the Obama administration is behind it. Fine. Another way is to require public service by law. As you pointed out, thats also not a solution. So what does one do?

Im sick and tired of seeing NO from politicians, who offer no alternative solutions. This is an issue, and for the first time in a long time, we have a president who can actually inspire the people who have been forgotten by our government, to try and achieve instead of waiting for the handout. I say we give him our support in at least that area.

[heliochrome85]

Im curious. If the Obama administration, and the big bad LIBERAL MSM is pushing an agenda, wouldnt it stand to reason that the message would only affect a small minority of the population, given that Fox News, a staunchly conservative news organization, is number 1 consistantly?

[RobPaulson]

I know he put us $1.2T more in debt, has provided millions in 'stimulus' packages in a pathetic attempt to jumpstart the economy. While, at the same time, fueling and strengthening the anti-work-ethic entitlement ideal that the welfare/unemployment system began. But...

COME OONNN!!! Give him a shot, he can do it, we have HOPE

fixed that for you.

[heliochrome85]

adorable. thanks for knowing exactly what i meant.

[heliochrome85]

im curious. what proof exactly do you have of the 1.2 Trillion budget deficit and how OBAMA caused it. As much as i can find, the budget deficit was predicted as far back as september 2008, you know, before the election.

Also, nice youtube video. I learned alot.

you are quickly earning the title of the least contributive poster on this forum. hardly something id want for myself.

the vast majority of my posts have been on this forum, and not the 240sx forum, or the gen forum. I know what im talking about and I try not to revert back to nebulous and baseless arguements to justify my positions. If you want to talk reasonably, then im all ears. If not, you are welcome to leave. Go back to the Foxnation. They might be more open to your arguements.

[RobPaulson]

you are quickly earning the title of the least contributive poster on this forum. hardly something id want for myself.

really? because a lot of people in this thread seem to share my concern and point of view.

You want facts on the budget issues?

Quote »Driven by this spending, America will run its first ever trillion-dollar budget deficit this year. Even worse, the President's budget would borrow an additional $9 trillion over the next decade, more than doubling the national debt[/quote]http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm2595.cfm

Quote »Presenting a revised budget at the White House, the President predicted a deficit of £1.2trillion. That is equal to 12.3 per cent of America's entire gross domestic product - the largest since 1945 when the U.S. ran up a shortfall of 21.5 per cent.[/quote]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new....html

Oh ya, and I'm not going anywhere. You are basically the only one in this thread that has a problem with the idea being discussed. All you have contributed is "no way, he wouldnt do that". Except I'm not even presenting the argument as a personal attack on your president, its on his administration as a hole. Giving the government an outlet to inject bias, one sided, half truths as facts to our youth and ignorant. If you dont have a problem with this, because they weaved community service, children's education, national safety, and soldier relief funds into it, than... well... we agree to disagree sir.

[audtatious]

Look matt, i whole heartedly agree with you. Im all for social responsibility and ending the stupification of the US, but the question becomes HOW??? One way to do it is by encouraging public service, moderation, personal responsibility. RobPaulson has a problem with that because he believes the Obama administration is behind it. Fine. Another way is to require public service by law. As you pointed out, thats also not a solution. So what does one do?

Im sick and tired of seeing NO from politicians, who offer no alternative solutions. This is an issue, and for the first time in a long time, we have a president who can actually inspire the people who have been forgotten by our government, to try and achieve instead of waiting for the handout. I say we give him our support in at least that area.

The politicians in charge today all need to be fired and replaced by those who are not in the pocket of some huge corporations, lobbyists or far-left/right affiliations. Until that happens there will simply be more and more burden passed around. Since that won't happen, we will get nowhere.

One solution is to time-limit social programs which will ensure responsibility. Want a hand out due to your situation? You have to do A,B,C in order to continue more than a set time frame of assistance which is put in place to help stabilize their situation. If you do A,B,C and still need assistance then you must do D,E,F to get an extension. Part of this positioning _should_ be volunteer-style work as payback to the community. This could consist of cleaning trash, community upkeep (help others in the community maintain their housing, like the elderly), etc etc. This would be more of a give-give back methodology instead of the current give-take approach which is failing. Something has to be done to ween the multiple-generation welfare recipients off the system. Other than the mentally/physically challenged, those getting free rides will eventually say "screw this, I may as well find a real job"....At least, that would be the hopeful conclusion.....

Of course, we need jobs for these people. Lower to middle-waged jobs via manufacturing, etc. and those seem to be the ones going away to other countries.

[heliochrome85]

entirely a reasonable response and proposal. its too bad that such things never make it far in congress. who knows, even a broken clock is right twice though.

[heliochrome85]

really? because a lot of people in this thread seem to share my concern and point of view.

Thats because this forum runs quite conservative. So not a shock really.

1.) The Hertiage Foundation is a conservative think thank. Its no surprise that the entire link is filled with "reckless" "entitlement" "unprecidented" "Exorbitant" and other inflammatory words.

2.) Both links talk about how 1.2 trillian is what was initially predicted PRIOR to obamas inauguration, but he only adjusted it 400 billion. Now im not saying that he hasnt spent money, but last i checked, he has two wars to fund, a financial system in shambles, and is neck deep in the most ambitious expansion of healthcare since medicaid was inacted. So yeah, he might have a few bills to pay.

Oh ya, and I'm not going anywhere. You are basically the only one in this thread that has a problem with the idea being discussed. All you have contributed is "no way, he wouldnt do that". Except I'm not even presenting the argument as a personal attack on your president, its on his administration as a hole. Giving the government an outlet to inject bias, one sided, half truths as facts to our youth and ignorant. If you dont have a problem with this, because they weaved community service, children's education, national safety, and soldier relief funds into it, than... well... we agree to disagree sir.

I have repeatedly called for proof of any involvement of either Obama or his administration, yet you refuse to prove any. Repeating the charge that his administration is responsible over and over, does not make it true. Just like repeating that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction over and over also failed to make it true. Again, i ask you to provide evidence. I have been proven wrong time and time again, by Matt and Greg. Each time, I have learned osmething. By no means am i as vapid an Obama supporter as i might seem juxtoposed to this forum, but that being said, credit is due to this man. He has the toughest job in the country and he deserves our respect. Not our conspiracy theories. If you cant agree with that, then yes, i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[audtatious]

entirely a reasonable response and proposal. its too bad that such things never make it far in congress. who knows, even a broken clock is right twice though.

The problem with ideas like mine is that it will piss off some voters. Much easier to simply throw more money at the problem instead of doing the right thing. They simply need to blame someone else for it.