nismo vs. energy suspension subframe bushing?

[540sx]

Thanks for the info but I just ordered them from nip Performancehttp://www.240sxtechdvds.org/N....html

come with aluminum bushings and hard rubber bushings to help minimizenoise for 120 w/free shipping. also came with a dvd on how to install.

someone else has used these on this forum. He installled about two months ago. trying to find out how he likes them.

I checked the bing.ca ones out. They are a good price and are probablyreally good quality.
Modified by 450SX! at 2:39 PM 4/8/2008

[DroptopDrifting]

so i dont understand. i realize the energy suspension kit doesnt come with the actual replacements, but have we found any poly replacements yet? no way am i getting aluminum for my 240. it's my daily over the summer. i'm about to order the energy master kit, does this also include the subframe spacers/collars? i see bushing kits/masterkits and i see collar/subframe spacer kits for a lil less money. what's the difference? don't mean to threadjack but for somereason this subframe stuff really confuses me. probably because i have 0 experience with anything subframe.

[mmm240]

The ES master kit comes with subframe inserts. Easy as pie to install. DO ONLY ONE SIDE AT A TIME

[ddgsxr504]

Use Z32 kit from Energy Suspension, they offer the actual poly bushing.

[hbpignosePA]

http://www.phase2motortrend.com/ensusupibus1.html

pinapple bushings

cant wait to replace mine

poly. bushings, a third the cost of nismo ones

[White Comet]

Use Z32 kit from Energy Suspension, they offer the actual poly bushing.

the z32 bushings "kinda" fit from what i've heard. my pineapple bushings for the 240 went in with no problems

[sommmatt]

necroposting

[asoomal]

Bushings are for p******, f*** 'em.

Straight weld that s*** to your frame, yo!

/jk

[ddgsxr504]

the z32 bushings "kinda" fit from what i've heard. my pineapple bushings for the 240 went in with no problems

They fit, the only problem I've seen when using them is that they are slightly taller and give you less threads on the stud when re-installing them on the chassis. That is easily remedied by putting a steel washer and nuts without the built in washer in them.

[Crazyirish]

http://enjukuracing.com/megan-...2_138

[mmm240]

I can't believe anyone would pay that much just for the rear subframe bushings. Most anyone would need is the inserts that come in the master set that is 40-50 bucks less.

[SirSilvia]

I can't believe anyone would pay that much just for the rear subframe bushings. Most anyone would need is the inserts that come in the master set that is 40-50 bucks less.

sh*t's expensive on enjuku for no apparent reason, i have found better stuff elsewhere for less. but they're still a cool company.

[iitywygms]

[QUOTE=450SX!]Thanks for the info but I just ordered them from nip Performancehttp://www.240sxtechdvds.org/N....html

come with aluminum bushings and hard rubber bushings to help minimizenoise for 120 w/free shipping. also came with a dvd on how to install.

someone else has used these on this forum. He installled about two months ago. trying to find out how he likes them.

I checked the bing.ca ones out. They are a good price and are probablyreally good quality.[QUOTE=450SX!]

I put these on last summer. Total PITA. I froze them over night but they were still way tight going on. Then when I put the sub frame back on, the holes seemed to small/off center. so I had to bore them out. I think my subframe may be tweaked so I can't totally blame the bushings, but still.

I just quoted someone from a year ago.

[Burnout240]

I have a quick couple questions guys. The ES Master Kit seems like a little overkill. I mean say you're going to be replacing most of your suspension with aftermarket parts. The new bushings on them will be better than the stock ones. So would there be any point in replacing the bushings on the new parts with the ES ones? I'm just asking because I'll be replacing all the stock suspension parts and I think it would make sense for ME to just go ahead and buy the bings.ca subframe bushing inserts. What do you guys think? Thanks

[Crazyirish]

If you're going to replace most/all of the control arms anyway, then yes, the es bushing kit is a bit excessive. I wouldn't be surprised if you could just order the subframe inserts. Just give your favorite parts shop a call and see if they can order them.

[SILVIAJayS]

I'm filling mine with liquid polyurethane.

[White Comet]

I can't believe anyone would pay that much just for the rear subframe bushings. Most anyone would need is the inserts that come in the master set that is 40-50 bucks less.

i know right, its so stupid of me to spend $65 on a full bushing, instead of relying on a flimsy insert and 20 year old bushings

[mmm240]

I'm referring to the link that crazyirish posted:

http://enjukuracing.com/megan-...2_138

$180?!?

It's 40-50 bucks less for the ES master set. I recently installed the inserts on my rusty vert that's lived all it's life in the midwest and the subframe bushings weren't cracked or dry. I opted not to replace the control arm bushing because they weren't showing any signs of wear.

But hey, if you prefer to waste your money on things that don't need replacing; fine by me.

[White Comet]

i'm referring to the link i posted on the other page for the ES pineapple bushings. they're only $65 and i guarantee they'll do better then just the inserts. i'm not gonna throw my money around wastefully, but i can afford $65 for brand new poly bushings

[Crazyirish]

But hey, if you prefer to waste your money on things that don't need replacing; fine by me.

Yeah. Who would want to modify their car? Silly parts replacers.

[hbpignosePA]

I have a quick couple questions guys. The ES Master Kit seems like a little overkill. I mean say you're going to be replacing most of your suspension with aftermarket parts. The new bushings on them will be better than the stock ones. So would there be any point in replacing the bushings on the new parts with the ES ones? I'm just asking because I'll be replacing all the stock suspension parts and I think it would make sense for ME to just go ahead and buy the bings.ca subframe bushing inserts. What do you guys think? Thanks

so is there a reason you are replacing ALL of your suspension arms?

that is overkill on a street car.

if your building a track terror with a high hp motor then by all means replace all of the arms. nissan engineering is good enough for auto x, and spritied driving.

[Crazyirish]

so is there a reason you are replacing ALL of your suspension arms?

that is overkill on a street car.

if your building a track terror with a high hp motor then by all means replace all of the arms. nissan engineering is good enough for auto x, and spritied driving.

Unless of course you want to alter your ride height significantly. Or you just want a better "feel". I plan on replacing all of mine with spc arms, and I think I will probably feel the money was well spent.

[DBo]

im using rs r subframe inserts and subframe collars and its stiff

[hbpignosePA]

Unless of course you want to alter your ride height significantly. Or you just want a better "feel". I plan on replacing all of mine with spc arms, and I think I will probably feel the money was well spent.

well u can spend 4k on SPL suspenion...

id rather just buy higher end car with that kindof money.. i cant justify spending that much on just suspension on a car that is worth 3k max

not to mention, alot of high end suspension parts are made for the track not the street.... so if the roads are terrible like they are here it will significantly lower the life of the products.. not worth it imho

ill probably get RUCAs and thats it in the back

[mmm240]

Yeah. Who would want to modify their car? Silly parts replacers.

You gotta draw the line somewhere. $180? No, $65? Maybe. It's that most here DD their cars and being that stiff is annoying and pointless; track days excluded of course.

well u can spend 4k on SPL suspenion...

id rather just buy higher end car with that kindof money.. i cant justify spending that much on just suspension on a car that is worth 3k max

not to mention, alot of high end suspension parts are made for the track not the street.... so if the roads are terrible like they are here it will significantly lower the life of the products.. not worth it imho

ill probably get RUCAs and thats it in the back

QFT. I'm running KYBs and S techs and it's great for a street car. I don't that some ricer thinks my car isn't low enough.

RUCAs FTW! I'm rocking CS and they offer plenty of adjustment. And to anyone that thinks CS is crap quality, just have a look at the stock parts and see how light duty they are.

[DroptopDrifting]

yeah i got kyb agx and stech springs. i just ordered the main bushing kit and pineapple bushings, and i plan on gettin a 1.5way hlsd within the next few weeks. maybe rear upper control arms and front tie rod ends (the ones that give you like 10-20% more turning radius are sick), and an even bigger maybe on sway bars, but not for a while, maybe next winter. that's all im doing on suspension/subframe for a long long long time.

it's a DD over the summer for the most part just cause it can be heh but i go to the track a lot. but i got a 1997 5 speed 4 door mitsu mirage that i drive most of the time as my DD. amazing gas mileage, 4 door, etc.

if my 240 was strictly a track car i woulda gone a totally different route for suspension. and if it was completely a DD, i prob wouldnt even go past the kybs, s tech, master kit and lsd

[hbpignosePA]

what sort of events do you do?

if your not into drifiting theres always the helical diff from the s15. im currently installing one in my car, check out my build it should be in this weekend.

oem ftw

[OM3GA]

Either get collars or go fully solid its just a waste of money replacing the bushings with stiffer bushings GO SOLID or COLLARS! I have the solid ones and they were a PITA to install but well worth it! I approve! GL!

[White Comet]

how smooth are the roads in cali?

[DroptopDrifting]

what sort of events do you do?

if your not into drifiting theres always the helical diff from the s15. im currently installing one in my car, check out my build it should be in this weekend.

oem ftw

i prefer autox over anything, and yeah i wanna source the s15 one myself, but i need to pay a few bills first. itd def be good to checkout your build, see what kinda headaches you run into heh. i havent really started lookin for one yet, but if you run into a good deal on another let me know, i'll make nextel or somebody i owe bills to wait an extra week if i have to. but the lsd is definately next on my list.