New Z32 Brakes rock!

[elwesso]

You just take the little bolt out and cut it down about 3 threads.

[RobertsnewQ]

For mine, I'm duplicating the Z32 setup with the short little hard lines and brackets. It just seems like the cleaner, safer way to go.

[elwesso]

if you get custom lines LMK ill be likely interested.

[Jeff Williams]

For mine, I'm duplicating the Z32 setup with the short little hard lines and brackets. It just seems like the cleaner, safer way to go.

I have the factory rear hard/soft lines if you want them. They cam with the calipers and look to be just fine.

[RobertsnewQ]

Yeah, I could use those.

I also need the front brackets - the R32 calipers came with new hard lines, but no brackets.

[Q45denver]

Do I need to get calipers that include the brackets for the brake hoses? Also, do the Z32 Brakes have wear sensors for the brake warning lights?

[sean8564]

post pics of the brakes

[Q45denver]

I just bought a R32 set on ebay for a little over $200. I hope the pads and rotors the same as the ones for the Z32 because I don't think the R32 was ever sold in this country? I

[tkd_q45]

Kind of ignorant about this but why are Z32 brakes so much better? These are using stock (sized) rotors?

[RobertsnewQ]

Z32 rotors are 2mm thicker (30mm vs. 28mm) and the calipers are four-piston fixed aluminum calipers vs. two-piston sliding iron calipers. Many advantages:

1. thicker, heavier rotors absorb more heat before pad temps become critical, therefore resist fade better.2. Four-piston calipers do not flex as much as sliding calipers, giving better pedal feel (less wasted pedal travel)3. Aluminum calipers are lighter than iron, therefore less unsprung weight (and better handling over bumps). *cancelled out by heavier rotor.4. Caliper rebuild kits, pads, rotors are cheaper than stock Q parts.5. Aluminum calipers radiate heat from the brake fluid faster than iron, reducing peak and average brake fluid temps.6. Better selection of pad compounds (similar Sumitomo calipers used by Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda.)7. Aluminum calipers do not corrode as badly as iron (anodized bores) and therefore should last longer.

There are disadvantages:1. Poor wheel clearance - requires the right 16" wheels, or many 17" or 18" wheels.2. LESS brake force multiplication at the front, resulting in more rear brake bias (not so bad) and harder brake pedal (not so bad either)

As for the R32 brakes, there are two skyline brake setups:1. GTS-T: 280mm X 30 mm front & vented rear (same as late Z32)2. GT-R: 300mm X 32mm front & vented rear (NOT same as Z32)

Many ebay sellers PURPOSEFULLY do not mention which R32 skyline the brakes are from in order to sucker people into paying lots of money for what are basically Z32 brakes. Be VERY careful. The rotors, calipers and other parts are all available through NISMO in the US. THey're expensive, but not too expensive - $100 each for rotors and $125 each for calipers.

FWIW There are also three Z32 setups:280mm X 26mm front rotors & aluminum calipers (same as Mazda RX-7 88-90??)280mm X 30mm front rotors & aluminum calipers (same as Subaru 97-00 USDM 2.5RS & 2006-up USDM WRX NOT STi)280mm X 30mm front rotors & IRON calipers (same as Toyota 4Runner)

Now, if you don't want to mess with Z32 brakes, Y33 brakes work too. They use the SAME calipers as G50, but different caliper brackets, and 300mm X 28mm rotors. I THINK they will fit under 15" wheels, but I'm not sure. The Y33 rotors are cheaper than G50 rotors.

[steaminhotryce]

Z32 rotors are 2mm thicker (30mm vs. 28mm) and the calipers are four-piston fixed aluminum calipers vs. two-piston sliding iron calipers. Many advantages:

1. thicker, heavier rotors absorb more heat before pad temps become critical, therefore resist fade better.2. Four-piston calipers do not flex as much as sliding calipers, giving better pedal feel (less wasted pedal travel)3. Aluminum calipers are lighter than iron, therefore less unsprung weight (and better handling over bumps). *cancelled out by heavier rotor.4. Caliper rebuild kits, pads, rotors are cheaper than stock Q parts.5. Aluminum calipers radiate heat from the brake fluid faster than iron, reducing peak and average brake fluid temps.6. Better selection of pad compounds (similar Sumitomo calipers used by Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda.)7. Aluminum calipers do not corrode as badly as iron (anodized bores) and therefore should last longer.

There are disadvantages:1. Poor wheel clearance - requires the right 16" wheels, or many 17" or 18" wheels.2. LESS brake force multiplication at the front, resulting in more rear brake bias (not so bad) and harder brake pedal (not so bad either)

As for the R32 brakes, there are two skyline brake setups:1. GTS-T: 280mm X 30 mm front & vented rear (same as late Z32)2. GT-R: 300mm X 32mm front & vented rear (NOT same as Z32)

Many ebay sellers PURPOSEFULLY do not mention which R32 skyline the brakes are from in order to sucker people into paying lots of money for what are basically Z32 brakes. Be VERY careful. The rotors, calipers and other parts are all available through NISMO in the US. THey're expensive, but not too expensive - $100 each for rotors and $125 each for calipers.

FWIW There are also three Z32 setups:280mm X 26mm front rotors & aluminum calipers (same as Mazda RX-7 88-90??)280mm X 30mm front rotors & aluminum calipers (same as Subaru 97-00 USDM 2.5RS & 2006-up USDM WRX NOT STi)280mm X 30mm front rotors & IRON calipers (same as Toyota 4Runner)

Now, if you don't want to mess with Z32 brakes, Y33 brakes work too. They use the SAME calipers as G50, but different caliper brackets, and 300mm X 28mm rotors. I THINK they will fit under 15" wheels, but I'm not sure. The Y33 rotors are cheaper than G50 rotors.

Great info! Thanks!

[tkd_q45]

Thanks for all the info. Wheel clearance not a problem (if I end up keeping my 94) as I have 2002 18" 8 spokes. Are there any pics out there? Do the calipers have any visual appeal?

[elwesso]

I am running the 15in wheels with spacers and the Z32s..... its possible the Q45 18s may not clear, however its kind of unlikely.

Tom, look at http://www.q45.org/Q and checkout the NEWCAR pics...

[Q45denver]

Has anyone installed R32 brakes?

[elwesso]

theyre exactly the same install wise, sijoko has done it... IMO its not worth it... Its not that much better, rotors are EXPENSIVE.. IT may be nice to replace rotors every 30k, but they also cost 2x as much.....

plus there are relocation kits that allow the use of 300mm rotors for the Z32 calipers.

[RobertsnewQ]

^what he said.

I'm doing R32 GT-R brakes because I got the calipers cheap on ebay ($120 new). However, once I figured out how much the rotors are and how hard they are to get, I've kind of regretted it. I'm actually thinking of selling the setup before I install it and getting some stock Z32 calipers, 350z Brembo rotors and relocation brackets. That setup would probably be a little cheaper because you can find the brembo rotors for cheap on the G35 and Z33 boards.

[Q45denver]

I mean these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1

they look different from the z32 brakes but hopefully use the same rotors and pads.

[ceningolmo]

Thats the same company that I bought my z32 (actually R32) calipers from...Wes thought I got a pretty good deal on mine. They were in great shape!

Wait 'til you get the box via UPS... they pack the heck out of those things. It took me about 20 minutes to sort through all the layers of bubble wrap, shrink wrap, and styrofoam peanuts and actually find the calipers in there!

[Q45denver]

They look differennt than Z32 brakes. So are you able to use 300ZX pads and rotors?

[ceningolmo]

To be honest, I should probably defer to Wes for an answer. If I try I will probably just make an idiot of myself. But... thats no reason not to try.

So, my understanding is that the R32 brakes are the same as the aluminum z32 brakes with the 30mm rotors. I think it was 300zx years 91-96(?) that used the same components.

[elwesso]

^what he said.

I'm doing R32 GT-R brakes because I got the calipers cheap on ebay ($120 new). However, once I figured out how much the rotors are and how hard they are to get, I've kind of regretted it. I'm actually thinking of selling the setup before I install it and getting some stock Z32 calipers, 350z Brembo rotors and relocation brackets. That setup would probably be a little cheaper because you can find the brembo rotors for cheap on the G35 and Z33 boards.

I love the way you think, thats my plan once i need new front rotors

Denver, they look different because they are the aluminum vs iron ones... Theyre the same.

[RobertsnewQ]

Those are the standard Z32/R32 GTs-T brakes. Easily available in the states for cheaper (look on twinturbo.net).

These ebay sellers really tick me off with their vague listings. I wish they would be straight with people. At least this guy mentions that they're from an RB20 car (GTS-T) rather than RB25 (GT-R).

[elwesso]

Robert you think you could do better than $240 shipped??? I think thats a great price for COMPLETE calipers... I *did* get mine a litlte cheaper but I was also missing some pins and clips..... I think thats a good price, IMO

[RobertsnewQ]

I guess that's not bad for all four...

I've seen fronts for $150 a set, and rears for $50, so that's about the same.

I'd drop a set of seals in either case..

[jamesmost]

Those are the standard Z32/R32 GTs-T brakes. Easily available in the states for cheaper (look on twinturbo.net).

These ebay sellers really tick me off with their vague listings. I wish they would be straight with people. At least this guy mentions that they're from an RB20 car (GTS-T) rather than RB25 (GT-R).

ok so the upgrade is :Z32 - 90-96 NA (iron)GTS-t 90-96 (aluminum)Both of these fit the Quse the same 30mm rotorand need trimmed banjo fitting or proper adaptorIs this correct ???

[elwesso]

actually 90-93 Z32 twin turbo calipers were 30mm aluminum, then they went ot the iron in 94......

other than that your right.

[jamesmost]

actually 90-93 Z32 twin turbo calipers were 30mm aluminum, then they went ot the iron in 94......

other than that your right.

so i need TT calipers ?? not NA

[elwesso]

yeah... but in 94 they all were the 30mm... Just make sure theyre the 30mm..

[jamesmost]

yeah... but in 94 they all were the 30mm... Just make sure theyre the 30mm..

but not all aluminum ?this apply to fron and rear for the calipers i listed ??just to confirm i need TT calipers??

[elwesso]

only to the fronts..... The 94-96 Z32 (tt or NA) had the 30mm iron. 90-93 either had 26mm aluminum or 30mm aluminum.