New Upgrades and pix

[groq36]

AMEN TO THAT.

and to the car in question, i like how you're not afraid to make the car you're own. it may not be my style but you're rockin' it because it's yours and you like it. props to ya.

[bigdog]

the bulbs dont fit properly. you have to modify where bulbs go & if you do that they CANT be returned. exteral fit is fine.

[brainguyus]

Very very nice!

...or "ochen krasevei" if you prefer.

[Leo2005]

"ochen daje milo"

[Red Devil]

SR20DET Red top motor Garrett GT2871r TurboHKS Wastegate Actuator Taka oil and water lines Greddy VSPL fmicNismo thermostat Nismo rad. cap FAL dual fans wired to LED rocker switchSamco Rad. hoses Greddy type rs bov Koyo radiator 550cc injectors Apexi SAFC HKS turbo timer Megan Racing Turbo elbow Blitz stainless steel downpipe Megan racing test pipe GP sports spec D 3 in. catback NGK BKR7EIX-11 Iridium plugs gapped to .025Spec stage 3 clutch J30 lsd diff. Fidanza short shifter Faze Water Temperature guageBuddy Club Temperature Sensor adaptorApexi boost gauge Apexi Multi checker Hallman Pro boost controllerCircuit Sports 250CC catch canWilwood Dynalite 4 piston calipers and 11 in. Slotted and Drilled rotorsHAWK HPS padsCircuit Sports Front and Rear Strut barsCircuit Sports Engine Torque Damper KTS fully adjustable coilovers 5zigen fno1rc wheels 17x7 +35 17x8 +35 Falken FK-452 tires Skyline gt-s seats Blitz Personal Steering wheelNRG Quick release hubHella Sealed Beam conversionSLC H4 Hi/Lo HID ConversionSleepy Eyes modification

Those are all the mods done to my car. The vast majority were to amke the car faster, handle better, perform better, e.t.c. You're trying to do the apples and oranges argument. My 240 is modified in a completely different direction. My engine swap and associated tune bring rwhp to around 300. My 240 is modified using a great sports chassis.

You're saying he is being unique? I personally have to disagree. What I see is basically the formula I see applied to every ricer Honda Civic. Take the stock car, add intake and exhaust, sprinkle in Altezza tailights and Angel Eyes, add some graphics with a pinch of aftermarket wheels and bake for 2 hours. Let cool and you have a ricer. Is it one of the first Versa's like that, possibly. Does that mean what he's doing is completely unique? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

I admit, I'm not very unique with my 240. Engine swaps are commonplace as are the mods I have done. Do I like what he's done to his Versa? No, not really. Am I going to chastise him for it? No. If people would have just let my initial comment alone and not try to make me out to be the bad guy we wouldnt have this conversation right now. Also, if people would've just PMed me about my comment, like I suggested, then this wouldnt continue in this topic.

I feel very strongly about people, "modifying" their vehicles with only body kits, lights, e.t.c. The Fast and the Furious ruined the culture by making everyone with a Honda or other import think that they can take an intake and exhaust and be the next street racing king and pick up some serious trim, which isnt the case. Btw, the SR20DET was the original engine in the Silvia and other territories after it replaced the CA18DET. Only America got the KA24, which kinda makes it the odd man out as far as engines go. Once again, PM/email me if you have such a problem with me. I'll be more than happy to go into further detail.

[DejaWiz]

You're saying he is being unique? I personally have to disagree. What I see is basically the formula I see applied to every ricer Honda Civic. Take the stock car, add intake and exhaust, sprinkle in Altezza tailights and Angel Eyes, add some graphics with a pinch of aftermarket wheels and bake for 2 hours. Let cool and you have a ricer. Is it one of the first Versa's like that, possibly. Does that mean what he's doing is completely unique? No.

There's just not much available for the Versa right now in comparison to such vehicles as your 240 or even a Civic.

[Red Devil]

I know but he's thinkin about Lambo doors. That just adds to the recipe

[Atx_Versa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

[Nismo V]

Red Devil,

I noticed you added more mods to your list seems more like your trying to show how nice your car is instead of getting my point. Your still trying to say what someone should or shouldn't do to a car instead of using what you know to help them to build the car.

And as far as pm goes why

What you percieve as rice may be his attempt to make a show car where the standards for what looks good are not the same as those of a track car, and as you said your goals are speed and handling not show so does that make your car nicer? the answer then his no. Many on here might not want to go that fast which makes me think you might have been the one influenced by Fast and the Furious with all the speed inuendo.

Cars have always been modded by using the aftermarket and the "Ricer" term is a generic one used by people that didn't like an import car that was not as fast as they thought it looked or detailed in a way not appealing to them .

But only the owner of a vehicle should care how it looks or runs, that's their decision and should be respected as such.

A better way to make your point would have been to share your experience without boasting about what you have done to your car..

Here's a Versa/Tiida going head to head with a Supra...



So don't think the 240SX is the only capable Nissan car on a track..

Also I don't need further detail I have read enough from you to understand that you need to learn to ask questions before making judgements on another members tuning desires and whether they are making a race or show car or both.

And no I don't think your a bad guy but I do think you should encourage a fellow Nissan owner with more constructive means then you did..

Heres one of the new Fast and the Furious 4 cars too rice you decide:

[killkenny59]

Hi russianbull....Me just upgraded my brake kit to VTTR mini 6pot...check

out the pics...

[killkenny59]

Hi russianbull,do u still remember mi from singapore using the same head n

tail light as u???Anyway tis is my lastest pics of my upgraded VTTR mini 6

pot brake kit.cheers

[killkenny59]

Oh by the way...u happens to hv the full set of undercarriage bars like

mi???mi currently running on cusco coilover,wat abt u???cheers

[Red Devil]

I posted my mod list to drive the point home that I modified my car to make it faster, not look faster or more visually appealing.I didnt do it to boast or try to say my car is nicer, which I never stated or implied.



As you can tell, there isnt anything done to visually enhance the car. The wider tires are for better grip and the drivers side headlight cover is designed to draw in air for the intake.

I cant really offer any help or advice, not because I dislike the direction he's taking his car, but the fact that I havent nor would take that direction with a Versa. Modifying a RWD performance car for more power/performance is different than modifying a FWD economy car for more visuals. If I were to modify a Versa, it'd be more inline with this.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2454369

Would I though? No, thats not the cars purpose and doesnt really have any advantage. You can get a 240 and modify it and it'll be faster. I just would not modify a Versa at all, unless it increased fuel economy to around 40 mpg.

I've never been a fan of the FATF series. I was actually influenced by my father and his car, a 72 Nova. As you can tell from the pic, my car is more in line with a sleeper, maintaining a relatively stock looking exterior. I ask you to take any FATF car and say it's a sleeper.

As far as my PM request goes it wasnt to hide, as you have wrongly guessed. It was to prevent this topic from turning into what it is. It's turned into me defending my opinion from people who think I should be "nicer". If my initial comment would have been left alone or hadnt been misconstrued, we wouldnt be in this current banter. I merely wished that any disagreements be taken up on a different thread or via pm to keep this topic from going off topic.

As far as the racing Tiida goes, I'd be interested to see what is actually taken over from a Tiida. I highly doubt the original chassis and engine are kept. From videos that I've seen, I cant say any of it is stock. Comparing purpose built racecars doesnt do anything for arguments anyway. It's like me saying my 240 is highly capable by showing a purpose built 240 race car in SCCA competition with a Supra or Evo in the same competition.

A highly capable vehicle is the GT500 class Nissan GTR or the GT300 class Nissan Z.

As far as the Z goes, I dont like the body kit or wheels. I would have sticked with stock appearances or had added fender flairs for wider wheels. I wouldnt have swapped a V-8 either. Maybe the RB26DETT, but no pushrods.

[Permastudent]

As far as the Z goes, I dont like the body kit or wheels. I would have sticked with stock appearances or had added fender flairs for wider wheels. I wouldnt have swapped a V-8 either. Maybe the RB26DETT, but no pushrods.

All I hear is "This guy doesn't share the same goals, views, opinions, or beliefs as I do regarding cars, so I'm going to take a condescending attitude towards him and anyone else like that which is most people."

You do realize that's the position you're taking, right? The "I am God and if you think anything differently than what I do, it's because you're an idiot" approach? Just wanted to make sure you realized this...

[TheRussianBull]

THANK YOU nismo V, thanks really thanks for being one of the very few ppl that have a tad bit of common sense... seriously red devil pull what ever u have out of your rear end and stop hatin, when the V first came out i got it for the simple fact that it was one of the NICEST looking hatches and have potential in being a show car, and please spare me, if i wanted speed and power and all that fancy USELESS nonsense in NEW YORK with these holey roads and cops swarming every square inch of the streets then i woulda gone muscle... seriously... i wanna make this car a show car, yea lambo doors, butterfly doors, suicide doors, spinning hatch, hood opens sideways on hydrolic pistons, "phat" rims, tints, gutted interior installed new interior 300,000 watt sound system is all USELESS but its a FREAKIN SHOW CAR... y the HELL WOULD U SUPE UP A VERSA?!?! its too high, too narrow, too fat and short and WEAK! to make a speed racer wannabe car out of it. so please... stop hating.

[Red Devil]

Honestly Permastudent, I never once tried to make the guy feel bad about his choices. It's his choice and his money. I am expressing my opinion, not what I think is fact or what I think is right. Seriously, get off your high horse. I believe you're taking the, "You're a big meanie! You're a doo-doo head" stance on this one. You want to chastize me for my opinion? Whatever dude. It's the internet.

If thats what you guys interpret it as thats fine. Look to my first post in this topic.

"You do realize Altezza style taillights were only cool for 1 year and only on Lexus IS's....right? Have someone make you LED taillights so you can get rid of those Altezza's. The front end isnt really meshing together. Something is off. I think its the combo of the openings in the grill, the style headlights and the black accents not meshing together. Most likely the grill, the way its shaped throws everything off. I'd go with the versaspeed grill. And what Decepticon would pic a Versa as its car mode? other than that its ok. I dont understand customizing Versa's but whatever."

I tried to present my criticism's without trying to be rude. It's your car and you like it, thats all fine and good. My meaning was then misconstrued. The topic then has degenerated into me trying to defend my OPINION. BTW, Nismo V, I actually did try to make a suggestion, twice. I suggested LED taillights and the Versaspeed grill. This all should have stopped when I posted this

"Look, whenever you put something on the internet like this, you're looking for comments or approval and are looking to show off your car. With that comes positive and negative comments.

There are gonna be people who dont like something every now and then. Last time I checked, the internet is a place where anyone can comment and express their opinion. Its not like we're chastising the guy, calling him stupid and trying to insult him personally. We're offereing our opinion of what he's done, which is the object of these topics if I'm not mistaken. We're expressing our right to comment and if we dont like something we have every right to say it. Are we making him change it or calling him stupid for it? No. We're just saying we dont like it.

Yes, everyone wants to hear nice, happy comments but it isnt always gonna happen. If that were the truth every primered, body kitted Civic would be the best car in the world. Personally, if you cant handle any negative comments, you have no place on the internet."

I was just trying to post my opinion of the vehicle without trying to be a douche about it. Unfortunately, most people seem to want me to only be nice and say nice things. Yes, it would be nice if we all got cheerful and happy comments that made us feel all warm and fuzzy. Thats not the case. Do I like show cars? No. Do I like Ricers? No. Am I going to tell you you're stupid and should never be near a car again? No. Not once did I criticize RussianBull as a person.

Do I dislike the majority of things done to his V? Yes. Did I make a suggestion or 2? Yes. To be honest, people need to look past the words and get what I'm trying to say. I dont like his car that much, its my opinion and I have every right to it. This wouldnt have gone that far if people would've respected my opinion and let it be. All this, "You be hatin" and "You've got a stick up your ***" isnt going to change my opinion. I dislike show cars in general. They sacrifice fuel economy, power, weight and handling for big sound systems, rotating doors, airbag suspension, e.t.c.

It doesnt make sense to me and I will never like it done to any car, much less a Versa. The thing of it is, my opinion is in regards to all "show cars". Not just RB's in particulair. I just dont like the whole idea behind them. Its my opinion and you may not agree with it, but you should respect it as such. I think this should now stop. I made my peace and expressed my opinion. If you have anything else to say to me then e-mail or pm me, otherwise this line of conversation is done. Lets get this topic back on track.


Modified by Red Devil at 9:19 PM 7/18/2008

[Onyxblue]

There's a big difference between bad criticism and the good, objective one.Being negativist on the forum doesn't help anybody. As CodeRed said, if you have nothing good to say, just don't say it.

[CodeRed]

Nothing Red Devil said was bashing the OP. He was simply presenting his opinion. He wasn't saying anything like "your car is rice please DIAF!" He simply offered his own opinion in a way to not offend anyone.

[superskunk]

hey kenny who makes the bars you have installed on your car? do they have a website? send me an email or post here please... my email is [email protected].... thanks

[repind39]

Car looks nice, but please lose the "Russia's Finest" sticker in the back... do you really want to attract people's attention by driving an entry level Nissan with that sticker..?

[Gr8dave37]

Nothing Red Devil said was bashing the OP. He was simply presenting his opinion. He wasn't saying anything like "your car is rice please DIAF!" He simply offered his own opinion in a way to not offend anyone.

Codered....the only reason anything that he said came into question in the first place was after I read his first post about the car which he edited and changed..and I personally found it kind of offensive as to it's nature. He changed it....I haven't said anything about it since.

Yes I agree it's an open forum..however how some of what he had stated could have been worded better.

[Shad0wXCalibur]

Man. Everyone getting so bent up. It's their car. They can do what they want. Do I like the car? Not really. It just doesn't go together that well to me and looks too flashy. I'm not gonna go flaming the guy for it though. I'm more of a fan of stock. You don't want your car having expensive things on it here. People around here are pathetic and will steal it all just like this WRX that had it's wheels stolen in the middle of the night. Plus I like maximizing gas mileage. I don't think 17X7 wheels will do great for me over the stock 15X5.5. I don't drive aggressive enough to need those kind of wheels and springs. No reason for me to be taking corners that fast and whatnot.

[Red Devil]

I never flamed the owner or the car itself. I got roped into what most confused was an attack on his car and him. I was merely trying to explain my inherent dislike of "show cars" when everyone got into a fuss.

If he wants to spend all that money on his car, he can do it. I'll save my money for something worthwhile IMO.