New Source Of Revenue Idea

[WDRacing]

I'm usually not a big fan of adding laws or fines, but I think I have a fantastic idea to increase state revenue.

Anyone not returning a shopping cart to the store or appropriate cart return area gets a fine. $500 for the first time and $1000 for the second, and double it for every occurence there after. Think about the door dings that would save.

People are lazy, to the detriment of others in this case. I had a tail light cracked this weekend compliments of a lazy SOB that couldn't be bothered to return his friggin cart. Well ENOUGH is ENOUGH...

I'm contemplating sitting in the Wal-Mart parking lot and screaming at people that don't return their carts. Maybe sit on the hill and snipe them with frozen paint balls...

Thoughts...

WD

[AZhitman]

Ever since you moved to Texas, I've worried about your mental stability.

[smockers83]

Good luck. You'd do better trying to get pot legalized to generate tax revenues.

[audtatious]

Sounds good to me as I always return my carts to the "cart corral".

Can we penalize idiots who go speeding across parking lots too? It's almost too dangerous to follow the real paths with the idiots crossing the lot the lazy way.

[smockers83]

Can we penalize idiots who go speeding across parking lots too? It's almost too dangerous to follow the real paths with the idiots crossing the lot the lazy way.

Its already illegal to do so, its just not enforced very much.

[audtatious]

With the parking lot being private property is there really a way to enforce it?

[C-Kwik]

With the parking lot being private property is there really a way to enforce it?

The law is generally not as simple as that. Many states (if not all) allow some police jurisdiction for traffic violations within parking lots if they are open for public use. It's seldom enforced as it can be a legal headache, and any accidents arising from violations are usually enforced through a claims/litigation process.

[Jesda]

This is why I ride a shopping cart to the grocery store. I can just ride it home, and no worries if it gets hit.

[ishkabibble]

A lot of stores in the dirty Jerz make you put a quarter into the cart to unlock it, and you don't get your quarter back unless you return the cart. Seems to work pretty well.

[marlin29311]

A lot of stores in the dirty Jerz make you put a quarter into the cart to unlock it, and you don't get your quarter back unless you return the cart. Seems to work pretty well.

Define "dirty Jerz." I've lived in New Jersey my whole life and have yet to see such a dumb contraption.

[AZhitman]

Some of the larger stores here in AZ installed the contraptions that lock a front wheel if the cart goes beyond the perimeter of the lot (some proximity sensor doodad).

IIRC, there was a lawsuit filed, claiming the homeless were being deprived of THEIR RIGHT to use a cart to transport their belongings.

That was the day I lost all faith in human logic and reason.

[marlin29311]

Some of the larger stores here in AZ installed the contraptions that lock a front wheel if the cart goes beyond the perimeter of the lot (some proximity sensor doodad).

IIRC, there was a lawsuit filed, claiming the homeless were being deprived of THEIR RIGHT to use a cart to transport their belongings.

That was the day I lost all faith in human logic and reason.

So you didn't get the memo on the homeless' right to stolen property?

I've seen those things before - I've also seen college kids steal them and just cut the wheel off. O the things alcohol can do....

[audtatious]

We need to increase the gas tax by $1 per gallon to help the Government get a step ahead in fixing all our personal finance issues. Just think, we use around 400 million gallons of gas a day which would equate to an additional $146 billion in taxes to the Gov coffers each year. Why, in 5-6 years we could actually pay off the first $700 billion investment to fix the Republican initiated financial problems we have.....

Change you can believe in....

[smockers83]

Why not let investments do what they do and make the money back plus interest instead of imposing more taxes?

[HashiriyaS14]

We need to increase the gas tax by $1 per gallon to help the Government get a step ahead in fixing all our personal finance issues. Just think, we use around 400 million gallons of gas a day which would equate to an additional $146 billion in taxes to the Gov coffers each year. Why, in 5-6 years we could actually pay off the first $700 billion investment to fix the Republican initiated financial problems we have.....

Change you can believe in....

I actually support the idea of shifting taxation from production (income) to consumption (energy).

I wouldn't much like the idea of a gas tax increase without a corresponding income tax decrease of course, as that would just be higher taxes for everyone, but I'd rather pay my taxes when I consume than pay them when I produce. It's an issue of motivation, and I think the whole idea of income taxation is contrary to proper motivation. It makes people spend more time trying to invent creative tax loopholes and less time producing.

If it was an even trade (it probably wouldn't be), I'd be all for the elimination of the income tax and a corresponding $5/gal tax on gasoline. I don't drive much anyway.

[marlin29311]

I actually support the idea of shifting taxation from production (income) to consumption (energy).

Did I just hear Mike Huckabee?

[audtatious]

I wouldn't much like the idea of a gas tax increase without a corresponding income tax decrease of course, as that would just be higher taxes for everyone, but I'd rather pay my taxes when I consume than pay them when I produce. It's an issue of motivation, and I think the whole idea of income taxation is contrary to proper motivation. It makes people spend more time trying to invent creative tax loopholes and less time producing.

If it was an even trade (it probably wouldn't be), I'd be all for the elimination of the income tax and a corresponding $5/gal tax on gasoline. I don't drive much anyway.

What would be the point of giving people a tax decrease when the sole objective is more money for the Gov? Increasing the tax on gas does that while it will also help lower the number of cars on the road, thus better for the environment. Hell, gas is around $1.76 so if adding a $1 additional tax will let the Gov cater to more irresponsible people then $2 per gallon would be twice as good for them, the poor and the environment.

How about a variable federal sales tax? We could issue credit-style cards for all transactions (must swipe the card to determine tax percentage at purchase time). The cards would be embedded with a tier level to determine your tax accountability based upon your salary. Say you make less than 50k/yr then you only pay 1%, 100k is 5%, 250k is 10%, 500k-1mil is 20%, etc etc etc. That would lead to a large amount of income to be distributed to those in our current welfare class in order to stamp out poverty. Of course, all the cards would have to look the same because the rappers/wannabe's would front the higher-end cards which would be unfair.

How about we tax homeowners differently? Property tax still goes to the state but the Feds could implement a "bedroom tax" as we all know that people who are wealthy have a large number of bedrooms. We could further increase that with a bathroom tax as well. More bedrooms and bathrooms equal more wealth and can further increase the amount of money the Gov can control. Maybe another tax on sqft of the home as well?

This is fun, what else can we implement to pay for all the new policies and bailouts?

[HashiriyaS14]

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[audtatious]

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[C-Kwik]

Some of the larger stores here in AZ installed the contraptions that lock a front wheel if the cart goes beyond the perimeter of the lot (some proximity sensor doodad).

IIRC, there was a lawsuit filed, claiming the homeless were being deprived of THEIR RIGHT to use a cart to transport their belongings.

That was the day I lost all faith in human logic and reason.

LOL! I remember the first time I used one of those carts at a local Target. I read the little warning and had an "I have to try" moment. So I did. Only, I did so with a running start. It's like pulling the e-brake on a shopping cart. Its unfortunate I couldn't find a volunteer to sit in it.

[krimsonviper]

A lot of stores in the dirty Jerz make you put a quarter into the cart to unlock it, and you don't get your quarter back unless you return the cart. Seems to work pretty well.

Doesn't work. I discovered this first hand on one of the days I went grocery shopping with my mom. If you have enough muscle and/or brain, you can get the chain into the place it needs to go to get your quarter back.

[joe603]

When I was stationed in Italy, they had a similar system of paying to rent the carts. There was never a cart in the parking lot...if someone left a cart, some homeless guy or a kid would return it for the quick cash.

[APEXi240]

A lot of stores in the dirty Jerz make you put a quarter into the cart to unlock it, and you don't get your quarter back unless you return the cart. Seems to work pretty well.

We have since eliminated that practice. It didn't work. If you want the quarter, or the cart badly enough...it's yours.

[ishkabibble]

We have since eliminated that practice. It didn't work. If you want the quarter, or the cart badly enough...it's yours.

Nah, I was in Brick a few weeks ago and had to go get a friggin quarter out of my car to use a cart.

[Armelius]

Would be pretty difficult enforcing a state law on private property. What next littering? Besides, places like Wal-Mart has people to bring those carts in. Shouldn't Wal-Mart be fined too for not bringing in their property?

[WDRacing]

Would be pretty difficult enforcing a state law on private property. What next littering? Besides, places like Wal-Mart has people to bring those carts in. Shouldn't Wal-Mart be fined too for not bringing in their property?

You're an idiot...you post like a fool and you cause crap in every thread you post in and have been warned to quit being willfully stupid.

[Armelius]

If I invited people onto my property and they didn't pick up after themselves then it would still be my property at the end of the day.

There is nothing stupid about my logic.

[480sx]

For the love of Nico's politics section.. Please.

[WDRacing]

Dude....this thread is about lazy Americans that don't put their carts away and cause damage to other peoples cars. Comparing it to littering IS stupid. But you obviously think it's ok to litter on private property...YOU are what's wrong with America today. Do me a favor, go get a tie strap and place it around your ball sack and zip it closed. Now leave it there until your balls fall off ensuring the world you'll never reproduce

This is a topic I think is serious and was simply discussing it among a group of people that I consider intelligent and most of them friends. Do I think it will ever come to pass? No, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about it. I would have posted it in Gen Chat but I didn't feel like reading through a bunch of idiocy posted in today's version of web Ebonics.

If you don't have a problem with people not returning their cart, then you are one of the few.

For the record, people that litter should be burned alive. There is no excuse for laziness.

[notslow]

Some of the larger stores here in AZ installed the contraptions that lock a front wheel if the cart goes beyond the perimeter of the lot (some proximity sensor doodad).

IIRC, there was a lawsuit filed, claiming the homeless were being deprived of THEIR RIGHT to use a cart to transport their belongings.

That was the day I lost all faith in human logic and reason.

The first store I worked at was a kiosk in another mall in town. While I was there the drug store next to us set up the carts and the perimeter line was about 5 feet in front of my store. It was mostly geezers that shopped there and one day an elderly woman was walking out of the store and the cart locked up and almost pinned her in the gut. It was at this point the video camera on my phone started recording. She went and got another cart, took all of her groceries into the other cart (thinking the 1st one was busted) and pushed it another foot and it locked.... I felt cruel but it was really funny... I eventually helped her and took her groceries out to her car for her.