New 2012 Toyota/Subaru Sports Coupe

[Keyan]

Heh, that's amusing, wish they would pull it if it's a fake tho.

[Sith LL_Coupe]

who is OP? is that me?

I'm the OP

As for the car looking different between the two pics. I don't think so. Besides the headlights, front bumper and fogs, everything else seems pretty much the same.

[IBCoupe]

I love my 3.5 A/C, but this is going to tempt the heck out of me, come 2012

[Hussain]

lol ya but thats the difference between sexy and ugly lol the front on the photoshop looks like a Toyota Camry

[marvin5087]

2700 pounds? damn thats light...i would modd the hell out of that car

[sammyboy]

Id take the Elipse over the Toyota.Subaru Sport Coupe. It's better the Solaris or whatever its called tho.

[Curtieson]

"Yea, my Boy is smarter then our Dog at least"

It isn't saying it is GOOD (or smart) it is just a step up from stupid.

I think the photoshop is wack because it is a 2 Door Camry...that is all the solaris was but at least it looked VERY different (and ugly...)

Anyway...the stick drawing has tC lights with a SWEEK...everyone here hates tC's but that is because of the posers that come along with them...take this car and brand it the tC2 with a V6 and BAM, no more posers.

[Jose3.5]

The AC community is funny. There is something new and all of you hate and then one of the big posters says they like it all you change your tune and start saying that you like it as well.

[mcheddadi]

The AC community is funny. There is something new and all of you hate and then one of the big posters says they like it all you change your tune and start saying that you like it as well.

knowledge is power I guess

[IBCoupe]

The AC community is funny. There is something new and all of you hate and then one of the big posters says they like it all you change your tune and start saying that you like it as well.

I was just coincidence. I wanted more than anything else for Toyota to redesign the Solara when they redesigned the Camry Sedan. Make it look... decent. Also, I've always said if the tC wasn't like Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle, I'd be interested.

I grew up in a Toyota family. I like Nissan, but all Toyota has to do is give me a glimmer of the Supra or a real Celica.

[mcheddadi]

Here's a new render according to the latest info:

looks HAWT! http://www.7tune.com/i-saw-the-toyota-086a/

[Kanard]

looks like something from "i love the 80s" lol

[rjdmmfl1]

looks like something from "i love the 80s" lol

I agree... looks very 1980-ish...

also, no way do they make a car that looks like that but only produces 200hp and 145ft-lbs of torque.... what is that crap all about? that's like 1990's type numbers... subaru makes serious performance cars... WTF would they make somethign this weak as a 2012 model?

We're at the point where 270hp and sub 6sec 0-60's aren't even fast anymore... this car, as it currently stands, is moving backwards.... it would be very disappointing if it does produce these weak numbers...

oh yeah, where are all of the Hyundai Genesis fanboys at... that car is flopping in sales just like I predicted!!!! haven't seen one in san diego yet... only saw 1 on the road so far, and that was in maryland! and I don't believe this $hit for 1 second... http://wot.motortrend.com/6485....html

this was written over 3 months ago, and I still have yet to see one in San Diego

[SaiDori]

I agree... looks very 1980-ish...

also, no way do they make a car that looks like that but only produces 200hp and 145ft-lbs of torque.... what is that crap all about? that's like 1990's type numbers... subaru makes serious performance cars... WTF would they make somethign this weak as a 2012 model?

We're at the point where 270hp and sub 6sec 0-60's aren't even fast anymore... this car, as it currently stands, is moving backwards.... it would be very disappointing if it does produce these weak numbers...

oh yeah, where are all of the Hyundai Genesis fanboys at... that car is flopping in sales just like I predicted!!!! haven't seen one in san diego yet... only saw 1 on the road so far, and that was in maryland! and I don't believe this $hit for 1 second... http://wot.motortrend.com/6485....html

this was written over 3 months ago, and I still have yet to see one in San Diego

This Toyobaru seems to be developed to weigh in at around 2600 lbs. The Altima Coupe with the VQ35DE and CVT will weigh in about 3289 lbs. That type of power you speak of is to propel such a heavy car at an acceptable rate.

Now look at a Honda S2000, it weighs in between 2700 - 2800lbs depending on which trim you get and the engine only produces 238 HP. With a power to weight ratio that almost seems similar to an S2000, this car should be able to perform really well.

[mcheddadi]

This Toyobaru seems to be developed to weigh in at around 2600 lbs. The Altima Coupe with the VQ35DE and CVT will weigh in about 3289 lbs. That type of power you speak of is to propel such a heavy car at an acceptable rate.

Now look at a Honda S2000, it weighs in between 2700 - 2800lbs depending on which trim you get and the engine only produces 238 HP. With a power to weight ratio that almost seems similar to an S2000, this car should be able to perform really well.

yeah I second that. it's going to be super light. plus if the article is to be believed, subaru will put out an STI version that should be even more performant (yeah that word doesn't exist haha)

i'm dying for some info on the next sti. Plus anything suby is AWESOME.

[rjdmmfl1]

This Toyobaru seems to be developed to weigh in at around 2600 lbs. The Altima Coupe with the VQ35DE and CVT will weigh in about 3289 lbs. That type of power you speak of is to propel such a heavy car at an acceptable rate.

Now look at a Honda S2000, it weighs in between 2700 - 2800lbs depending on which trim you get and the engine only produces 238 HP. With a power to weight ratio that almost seems similar to an S2000, this car should be able to perform really well.

the s2000 weighs in at 2765 - 2864 curb weight... with an engine that redlines at 8,000 RPM, an extra 30 HP and an extra 17ft lbs of torque

this subaru-toyota can produce decent numbers only if they manage to keep the weight down, which they won't! 2600 lbs is unreasonable, acuall;y what modern day car in this category weighs 2600 lbs?...., if the vehicle has any type of real weight, its performance numbers will be garbage... and the renderings don't seem to be in the 2600 lb weight range.... looks more like around 3000...

numbers like 200Hp and 145ft-lbs of torque are in the Honda civic Si range, and in stock form... those aren't that fast either!

[mcheddadi]

the s2000 weighs in at 2765 - 2864 curb weight... with an engine that redlines at 8,000 RPM, an extra 30 HP and an extra 17ft lbs of torque

this subaru-toyota can produce decent numbers only if they manage to keep the weight down, which they won't! 2600 lbs is unreasonable, acuall;y what modern day car in this category weighs 2600 lbs?...., if the vehicle has any type of real weight, its performance numbers will be garbage... and the renderings don't seem to be in the 2600 lb weight range.... looks more like around 3000...

numbers like 200Hp and 145ft-lbs of torque are in the Honda civic Si range, and in stock form... those aren't that fast either!

We'll just have to wait and see, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised of the outcome

one shouldn't underestimate toyota, just think of the great car they made, supra, mr2, celica gt-four, Sprinter Trueno, etc...

that with subaru's great rally rockets, it's going to be amazing.

they are supposed to show it at the tokyo auto show, so leaks and spyshots could come early

[SaiDori]

the s2000 weighs in at 2765 - 2864 curb weight... with an engine that redlines at 8,000 RPM, an extra 30 HP and an extra 17ft lbs of torque

this subaru-toyota can produce decent numbers only if they manage to keep the weight down, which they won't! 2600 lbs is unreasonable, acuall;y what modern day car in this category weighs 2600 lbs?...., if the vehicle has any type of real weight, its performance numbers will be garbage... and the renderings don't seem to be in the 2600 lb weight range.... looks more like around 3000...

numbers like 200Hp and 145ft-lbs of torque are in the Honda civic Si range, and in stock form... those aren't that fast either!

The article states that the rendering is based off of someones description who claims that they saw the prototype. The wheelbase itself looks too long for the reincarnation of the AE86. But it was stated that the styling cues are from the LF-A project.

I am interested to see what Toyota and Subaru come up with.

[Nissan_luver08]

ahhh, good ole TURD YODA...did they FInALLY realize they have no sport coupe to speak of right now? It's a shame really...and so is that new, well, thing. I told my buddy whole loves the TURDS that they do not have a current production sports car...he replies that they have the Celica, LOL! Guess he didn't realize they quit makin em

[rjdmmfl1]

I agree that we will have to see... but again, i stand by the claim that with only 200HP and 145ft lbs of torque... one would need the car to be a super light 2500 lbs to give decent performance numbers...

true subrau makes great performance/rally cars... and Toyota USED to make a sports ca ( but that was a long time ago) perhaps they can surprise me, but only if they have real performance numbers... and any of you saying that 200 and 145 are good numbers in stock form are just kidding yourselves!

[Nissan_luver08]

I agree that we will have to see... but again, i stand by the claim that with only 200HP and 145ft lbs of torque... one would need the car to be a super light 2500 lbs to give decent performance numbers...

true subrau makes great performance/rally cars... and Toyota USED to make a sports ca ( but that was a long time ago) perhaps they can surprise me, but only if they have real performance numbers... and any of you saying that 200 and 145 are good numbers in stock form are just kidding yourselves!

Yeah, I mean a stock A/C has 170-177 HP...so why would Toyota go so low on the HP? I would think by now, they could match or best the Nissan by a little hp.

[rjdmmfl1]

The AC community is funny. There is something new and all of you hate and then one of the big posters says they like it all you change your tune and start saying that you like it as well.

Explain with examples... I don't think that applies here at all... nobody changed their tune... some folks think its ugly, some folks (like mchedaddi) think its great... but then mendi thinks every new car that comes out is great (chevy cobalt SS turbo, Hyundai Genesis coupe, and now this ridiculous mutt of a monstrosity subaru-toyota hybrid crap) anyway, all I'm saying is, I just re read all the posts, and I don't see anyone changing their tune... and I for one won't stop calling this car crap just because the all-car-lover mendi thinks its gonna be legendary

[mcheddadi]

Yeah, I mean a stock A/C has 170-177 HP...so why would Toyota go so low on the HP? I would think by now, they could match or best the Nissan by a little hp.

yeah, the thing is its really not HP that matters but power to weight ratio.

but then mendi thinks every new car that comes out is great (chevy cobalt SS turbo, Hyundai Genesis coupe, and now this ridiculous mutt of a monstrosity subaru-toyota hybrid crap) anyway, all I'm saying is, I just re read all the posts, and I don't see anyone changing their tune... and I for one won't stop calling this car crap just because the all-car-lover mendi thinks its gonna be legendary

I don't think EVERY new car that comes along is great. it just boogles the mind that you can't give credit where credit is due. Chevy cobalt ss turbo is one heck of a fast car for the money. hyundai genesis has been praised by everyone for being a bargain drift machine with high level of performance at an affordable price, and the toyotabaru with what we know of it seems like the car that can put back toyota on the sport compact rwd map. also it's a car all STI enthusiasts have been waiting for a long while now.

It's not like I'm saying a chevy aveo5 rocks, or a mildy refreshed 2009 mitsubishi eclipse is the shiznit. tell me what car in your mind is going to be great under 35K in the next 5 years?

next gens sti, GOLF R20 awd, nextgen mazdaspeed3/6, toyotabaru, evoXI, next gen FordFocus RS.

[rjdmmfl1]

yeah, the thing is its really not HP that matters but power to weight ratio.

I don't think EVERY new car that comes along is great. it just boogles the mind that you can't give credit where credit is due. Chevy cobalt ss turbo is one heck of a fast car for the money. hyundai genesis has been praised by everyone for being a bargain drift machine with high level of performance at an affordable price, and the toyotabaru with what we know of it seems like the car that can put back toyota on the sport compact rwd map. also it's a car all STI enthusiasts have been waiting for a long while now.

It's not like I'm saying a chevy aveo5 rocks, or a mildy refreshed 2009 mitsubishi eclipse is the shiznit. tell me what car in your mind is going to be great under 35K in the next 5 years?

next gens sti, GOLF R20 awd, nextgen mazdaspeed3/6, toyotabaru, evoXI, next gen FordFocus RS.

I understand you enthusiasm mendi... but the problem is...

Chevy cobalt is a cheap car... inside feels like cheap plastic with metal accents... road noise is horrible due to the cheap sounds insulation they used... oh yeah, and its a lower line chevy car... = FAIL , even with the esotec engine

Hyundai Genesis is from a suspect company that fails in performance next to every car that they put it up against in its class... for what it is, sure its nicely priced, but a car is only as good as the reputation of the company that makes it... and Hyundai = FAIL in most consumers eyes

And now we have this monstrosity with weak a$$ performance numbers and the exagerrated claim of 2700 pounds, a feat that no other car in its class has been able to maintain... how can you look at this and say that its anything other than a tuned RWD version of the scion (which weighs in at 2932 pounds by the way) with more horsepower and less torque...

also, with torque numbers like 145, its gonna be hella slow off the line, thus you're easily looking at mid 6's in the 0-60 time, just like the stock civic Si

[IBCoupe]

Chevy cobalt is a cheap car... inside feels like cheap plastic with metal accents... road noise is horrible due to the cheap sounds insulation they used... oh yeah, and its a lower line chevy car... = FAIL , even with the esotec engine

When you're talking about performance and the bang-for-buck factor, why would you even mention this? In my mind, there's a difference between a car you use as a show of status to your coworkers and a car you use as a show of status to people who like cars.Quote »Hyundai Genesis is from a suspect company that fails in performance next to every car that they put it up against in its class... for what it is, sure its nicely priced, but a car is only as good as the reputation of the company that makes it... and Hyundai = FAIL in most consumers eyes[/quote]Really, a car is as good as a car is. Once it's debadged, what does the brand matter? It's funny you should mention that last part, though, as Hyundai consistently gets rave reviews from Consumer Reports. It's one of the more reliable cars on the road, and all of its cars are freakishly low-priced.Quote »And now we have this monstrosity with weak a$$ performance numbers and the exagerrated claim of 2700 pounds, a feat that no other car in its class has been able to maintain... how can you look at this and say that its anything other than a tuned RWD version of the scion (which weighs in at 2932 pounds by the way) with more horsepower and less torque...[/quote]My favorite part about this forum is the way that people bash a car before it exists. Before it's actually been designed for production, we're already saying it's weak.

I'm excited about it because it's a Toyota that's been promised to be a Toyota worth being excited about. What possible reason do you have to hate on it?

[91RMKS13]

I don't see why the idea of a light rwd Toyota seems so hard to believe. None of these numbers are set in stone either. There is still a long time before these cars will hit show rooms. I expect to see Toyota release a decent performer something on par with every other company. Who knows it could just turn into a Toyota version of the Saab 92X...

As for all the hate over the new Genesis Coupe. I don't think they are bad cars at all. And although I wouldn't consider trading in my S2000 for one... I would rather spend my money on its fairly cheap, rwd, 6 speed, turbo, 4B11 powered goodness than consider buying an Altima Coupe... Not that the Nissan is not a good car or anything, it just feels like the same Altimas I have been driving for years. And while the looks may have improved it still feels like the same car.

[rjdmmfl1]

When you're talking about performance and the bang-for-buck factor, why would you even mention this? In my mind, there's a difference between a car you use as a show of status to your coworkers and a car you use as a show of status to people who like cars.

Really, a car is as good as a car is. Once it's debadged, what does the brand matter? It's funny you should mention that last part, though, as Hyundai consistently gets rave reviews from Consumer Reports. It's one of the more reliable cars on the road, and all of its cars are freakishly low-priced.

My favorite part about this forum is the way that people bash a car before it exists. Before it's actually been designed for production, we're already saying it's weak.

I'm excited about it because it's a Toyota that's been promised to be a Toyota worth being excited about. What possible reason do you have to hate on it?

1st off, my comments were directed towards Mendi and his defense of these three cars in particularhence the mentioning of the chevy cobalt... had you been on these forums longer than a few weeks, you'd have some historical perspective on this... but it would still be irrelevant as that entire post was directed towards mendi...

as for the Genesis coupe, i like the way it looks, and yes its a cheap RWd car w/ nice power... my only point is that the name if the company is holding back its potential... perhaps recent Hyundai owners are happier than previous owners, and they may love their cars.. but the opinion of most Americans is that its a sub standard car company.. otherwise, we'd see more of them on the road than we do.... perception is reality!

as for this new toyota-subaru car... if you had actually read the thread, you'd see that every mention of poor peformance deals with the released numbers...200Hp and 145ft lbs of torque are $hit numbers by todays standards if its in a 3000 lb car (like the current scion Tc)... that's my whole point... not saying that they can't make a good car with some tweaks, subaru cars outperform comparable Nissans any day of the week, and toyota makes a great-car , so of course its got potential... just not with these numbers... again, had you read the entire thread, you would have gathered that much...

I don't see why the idea of a light rwd Toyota seems so hard to believe. None of these numbers are set in stone either. There is still a long time before these cars will hit show rooms. I expect to see Toyota release a decent performer something on par with every other company. Who knows it could just turn into a Toyota version of the Saab 92X...

what is your definition of "light" sure if they manage to get this into a 2700lb frame, but that's not likely given the other cars in this class and their curb weights... this entire argument is not whether toyota can make a good car if they wanted to, its whether these currently released numbers are performance numbers, and they aren't.. period! Not for a 2012 car, when most cars right now are already outperforming what this 200Hp 145 torque car would most likely do..... these are Honda civic Si type numbers, why do what Honda did back in 2006 in the year 2012? That doesn't make sense, and that's my point.... be ahead of the times, not behind the times if you want to compete in today's market...

As for all the hate over the new Genesis Coupe. I don't think they are bad cars at all. And although I wouldn't consider trading in my S2000 for one... I would rather spend my money on its fairly cheap, rwd, 6 speed, turbo, 4B11 powered goodness than consider buying an Altima Coupe... Not that the Nissan is not a good car or anything, it just feels like the same Altimas I have been driving for years. And while the looks may have improved it still feels like the same car.

Hyundai wanted to make a performance car, you didn't see them pu$$y-foot around, they came out with two trims.. one pretty decent, and the other even better.. the argument over the genesis isn't whether it can perform, its that its from a company that is deemed to be inferior by the public and car enthusiasts... it may very well be a da*n good car.. but I don't see anyone on this forum selling their car to go jump on this new great deal.. and that's my point! there's a reason for that... because performance wise... the genesis Coupe v8 is better bang for your buck than the Altima coupe.. but every A/C owner on this forum continues to drive their "inferior" A/C rather than trade in and get a Genesis coupe.. why is that?

also, I think they did themselves a bit of an injustive by comparing this car to the 370Z and the Mustang Gt... because both cars outperformed it in a head to head match up, and this was done in embarassing fashion via a nice video comparison... however, again, for what it is.. I don't think its a bad car performance wise... but I wouldn't leave my super reliable Nissan family for a Hyundai anymore than you would leave your s2000 for a Hyundai!...

and regarding your comments on the A/C... no, of course it doesn't perform like a RWd car.. that's stating the obvious... and although Nissan ttook the styling and engine from the 350Z and the G35 which gives it a respectable 0-60 and 1/4 mile time in stock form, it is BY NO MEANS a performance vehicle, an one would have to significantly work on the suspension to get it to perform as one... but i understand your need to throw a jab at the Altima coupe.. it ok

[2008AltiCoupeDan]

lol- whole lotta shyt goin :P

anywho- imho- toyotas track record has been in last place when it comes to racing the past fewyears. we all know the celica GT-S is still a slow a** v6. and we also know tht thier "sport line corolla" type s which still runs high 7's is a total joke.

since were talking about decent looking coupes... did u all know that Kia is coming out w/ a coupe for 2010? lol

also that the new 2.5i legacies and imprezas are ditching the true automatics and going cvt for 2010? (except turbo models at this point)

but the thing that will get me is the kia coupe... its not fast at all, coming inat like 11k and its a cross between a scion tc rear and tiburon front.

imho- toyotas been lacking, and it surprises me suby would do this... but seeing tht they pulled out of thier own rally sponsorship this year... maybe they need the money?

plus- the solara was a joke of a car, just like the chrysler sebring. the only plus factor it had was a convertible version. u want a super coupe convertible, get a G37c

bad engine, no rigidity, not a fanbase. just like the cobalt thing tht was thrown out before- u can have a chintsy car, or u can have a chintsy car on 'roids that lasts you less time but gives u more powerband.

w/e toyotas = fail imo(why my sisters had a corolla tht ate threw oil, and then a tc is beyond me)mom=06legacy GT dad=09murano me- well duh

[IBCoupe]

1st off, my comments were directed towards Mendi and his defense of these three cars in particularhence the mentioning of the chevy cobalt... had you been on these forums longer than a few weeks, you'd have some historical perspective on this... but it would still be irrelevant as that entire post was directed towards mendi...

You're right. That whole thing was directed towards mendi, but it was also about a number of cars (and one car company). Sorry, but you were wrong on just about every point. I don't care about the history between you and mendi; you were factually incorrect.Quote »as for the Genesis coupe, i like the way it looks, and yes its a cheap RWd car w/ nice power... my only point is that the name if the company is holding back its potential... perhaps recent Hyundai owners are happier than previous owners, and they may love their cars.. but the opinion of most Americans is that its a sub standard car company.. otherwise, we'd see more of them on the road than we do.... perception is reality![/quote] It's a car company that produces very cheap, high quality cars. They're always a top pick by consumer reports, and if you don't happen to see them when you're out and about, permaybehaps you should try driving with your eyes open. I'm seeing them more often now up here in the northeast, but I don't expect to see them a lot, being that it's a brand new car that was released in a recession.Quote »as for this new toyota-subaru car... if you had actually read the thread, you'd see that every mention of poor peformance deals with the released numbers...200Hp and 145ft lbs of torque are $hit numbers by todays standards if its in a 3000 lb car (like the current scion Tc)... that's my whole point... not saying that they can't make a good car with some tweaks, subaru cars outperform comparable Nissans any day of the week, and toyota makes a great-car , so of course its got potential... just not with these numbers... again, had you read the entire thread, you would have gathered that much...[/quote] Right, but here's my problem: I have read the forum, and you're cherry-picking the numbers. Yes, they said 200 (as it happens, the most recent Car & Driver article with spy shots says 220), but they also said 2600 lbs. You're not taking the claimed numbers, you're taking some of the claimed numbers and substituting your own for others. Look, dude, it's fine if you like being wrong, just don't be a jerk about it.

And if you don't think the weight matters, consider this: exactly what kind of performance do you think you'd find on a 2500lb FR that puts out 167hp/140ft-lb? Because, by all accounts, the MX-5's a blast to drive. They're talking about putting the engine in a more front/mid mount in this new Toyobaru, which would give it a more drift-happy weight distribution - maybe, just maybe, a lightweight 4-banger isn't supposed to compete with a V6, and maybe, just maybe, the only competition this thing has with our beloved A/C is the fact that it only has two doors? Christ, dude, what are you expecting out of the thing?

I loved my 110hp, 2300lb '97 Corolla to death because on windy non-highway roads, I'd never had more fun. It's not all about power and there's much more to a car than its engine; to think anything else is childish.

[Nissan_luver08]

yeah, the thing is its really not HP that matters but power to weight ratio.

Yeah, BUT, what you are missing is, the average consumer does look at that, they just want a raw HP number. They really dont care about weight to power ratio! They just want to be able to say "Hey, my toyota has 15 more HP than your Nissan, or Chevy, or whatever it is you drive that has less HP