NEED HELP AGAIN???COOLANT FROM THE OIL PAN???

[newyork910]

AM NOT TO SURE I WAS HAVING A PROBLEM BEFORE WITH MY OLD MOTOR THAT I SWAPED OUT THE OIL AND COOLANT WAS MIXING TOGETHER N IT WAS COMING OUT A YELLOW COLOR....BUT NOW I HAVE ANOTHER KA24E THAT I DID ALL THE SEALS ON BUT FOR SOME REASON THERE IS COOLANT COMING OUT THE OIL PAN IS THAT OK???I THINK THE BOLTS NEED TO BE TIGHT DOWN

[PyR0NiAk]

usually oil and coolant mixed is a sign of a blown head gasket or a warped head... did you overheat the engine?

[newyork910]

no i didnt this is a diff engine now my old one was mixing but i seen coolant coming out this one now it hasnt over heated or anything like that... i just put in the motor like a week ago n put new hoses n everythin but we put a oil pan gasket on it...
Modified by newyork910 at 9:45 AM 5/20/2009

[PyR0NiAk]

sounds like whoever had it before you overheated it try changing your head gasket......

[newyork910]

this sucks cuz the guy who had it got hit buy another car n couldnt drive it anymore but he got him from the back n it was workin fine when he turned it on for me...what if i had a head gasket that was new n it got a lil bent could that jus mess it all up???

[PyR0NiAk]

yeah... a head gasket won't cause anything noticably wrong as far as running except you'll begin to lose compression.. You won't notice it just starting the car and listening to it run though...

and yes, a bent head gasket will cause problems...

[newyork910]

a friend of mine told me it could be my water pump but am not to sure its that what should i do should i put on a new head gasket n go from there??

[Bongpain]

nico froze on me i double posted.
Modified by Bongpain at 4:54 PM 5/20/2009

[Bongpain]

is the coolant mixing with the oil? or on the outside of the pan. if its in with the oil pyroniak is right about the head gasket if its out side you friend might be right. simple solution before tearing down the motor is to go to knowledgeable part store or garage and have them performed a head gasket leak test. its a blue fluid put on to your overflow tank after running your vehicle to temp. and if it changes color to green you have a head gasket problem. what this test do is checking for trace of exhaust fume in your coolant. this is the cheapest and more reliable diag solution of cracked head/gasket or warped head. if it dose not turn green you need too look elsewhere.

[newyork910]

its coming from in between the oil pan n the oil pan gasket in one spot near the from front of the oil pan...its leaking from in between there i took off the water pump n the water pump seem to look good to me it spins fine but am not sure if it could be that...its not really mixing i look at the dip stick n there isnt any coolant on it or anything like that or white spots on it..n the car doesnt over heat or anything...where could i but that stuff at???

[Bongpain]

ok first to rule out oil mixing with coolant you should drain your oil by removing the drain plug, but stay there and watch if there is any coolant come out. the coolant will come out first then the oil. if there is no sign then look at your front cover parts. in the front cover you have your water pump and thermostat housing. if you flip your water pump upside down you will see a little hole if you dont see any sign of water mark then front of pump seal of your water pump are ok then inspect the gasket for sign of gap or none seated or seal gasket. this should be easy for you to tell because you already have it off. and the BIGGEST ooppps i do all the time when i replace the motor is, i reused the same hose clamps. THAT IS A NO NO . and any coolant leak will travel down your block and catches on your pan and gasket. that maybe what you're seeing. hope that help. HOSE CLAMPS..!!!
Modified by Bongpain at 5:12 PM 5/20/2009

[newyork910]

ok thanks alot am going to do this now well try to its raining bad out here...but if i still cant find out whats wrong ill be sure to get back on here...thanks alot

[newyork910]

ok i took out the oil from the motor the no coolant came out just the oil that i put it but it came out black it was new oil that i put it is that normal??? so am not so sure if its the head gasket or is it???the water pump gasket looked kinda of messed up like it had a hump on the gasket like it wasnt flat down on it all the way??am LOST!!!!

[Bongpain]

ok thats good. no coolant in oil. as far as black oil go its. normal. why because the guy that had that motor before you may not have change his oil often and on time. so if you get this car running change your oil in like 1500 miles interval for like 4 oil change you will see the different. or you can buy oil clean additive and follow that instruction do it a couple of time and you will be good. black oil dose NOT indicate head gasket problem. a lump on the gasket will cause coolant leak. replace it. and make sure you use an emory cloth or realy fine sand paper to clean out the old coolant. then re-install. and if it still leak you can also get a coolant pressure tester at a part store or tool store and this will 98% of the time pin point your leak/s.

[PyR0NiAk]

ok thats good. no coolant in oil. as far as black oil go its. normal. why because the guy that had that motor before you may not have change his oil often and on time. so if you get this car running change your oil in like 1500 miles interval for like 4 oil change you will see the different. or you can buy oil clean additive and follow that instruction do it a couple of time and you will be good. black oil dose NOT indicate head gasket problem. a lump on the gasket will cause coolant leak. replace it. and make sure you use an emory cloth or realy fine sand paper to clean out the old coolant. then re-install. and if it still leak you can also get a coolant pressure tester at a part store or tool store and this will 98% of the time pin point your leak/s.

nice to see someone who usually doesn't take time to make posts helping out...

[newyork910]

ok so even tho i just put new oil it becase of the person before me who had it didnt do it enough it will still come out black???thats fine i had took some oil and coolant and mixed in a cup to see what it would come out like n its makes the oil break up but it didnt come out like that in my enigne which is a good thing from what your telling i will sure buy that leak test you just told me bout in the morning and go from there thanks again am not too worried bout it now..ill be back in the morning with the news ha ha ha thanks

[PyR0NiAk]

Make sure you keep checking your coolant levels... Thermostat reads temperature of your coolant... If you actually leak out all, or at least most, of your coolant, it will be left reading the air inside which is at a colder temp than the metal. You'll actually blow your engine before the temp gauge will get a chance to warn you. Let us know if you get the problem fixed or not.

[newyork910]

ok so i clean up the water pump and took off everything that was on it the old gasket n but that red rtv on it so i was under the car while it was running i didnt see any coolant coming out any where.....BUT!!!!! the top hoses was hot for the rad and the lower hoses was cool so does this mean that the water pump is bad???

[PyR0NiAk]

think about it... the radiator is designed to cool down your coolant so that it can cool down your engine.. So... Hot fluid goes in... and comes out cold If you wanna test your water pump, an easy way is to take and open the cap on your radiator, and then start your engine... Add fluid and watch for it to flow

[Bongpain]

tell you what water pump is way less then replacing the head gasket and while you at it replace the thermostat its right next to the water pump. if the thermostat is stuck close you will get the hot and will not open up to circulate the coolant and that will give you a one hot and one cold hose. then again if you are not overheating pyroniak is correct. the radiator is design to cool down the coolant that goes back to your motor. if you are not leaking any coolant anymore you should be good. thermostat normal on a universal opening temp will be like 180*200 degree F give or take something like that. so dont worry as long as your vehicle is not overheating. ps did you find the leak?

[newyork910]

ok i understand what you guys are saying.....and bongpain i did find the leak i just found it now n it doesnt look good its coming from the block and the head near the intake man... am not sure what to really think what it is my friend with me said its the head gasket maybe when we put the head gasket on it moved the when putting the head on casue thats where the leak is coming from its not the water pump its coming from the block and in between the head in one spot like i said near the intake man so what could that be???am hoping its just the head gasket so anything come to mind????plz gave me good news lol

[PyR0NiAk]

ok i understand what you guys are saying.....and bongpain i did find the leak i just found it now n it doesnt look good its coming from the block and the head near the intake man... am not sure what to really think what it is my friend with me said its the head gasket maybe when we put the head gasket on it moved the when putting the head on casue thats where the leak is coming from its not the water pump its coming from the block and in between the head in one spot like i said near the intake man so what could that be???am hoping its just the head gasket so anything come to mind????plz gave me good news lol

pretty sure i told you to check the head gasket.... DON'T DRIVE IT TIL YOU REPLACE IT... You're killing your compression...

[newyork910]

i know you told me so lol...damn i just was hoping it wasnt that..but am not driving it i already started taking everything off to get to it now..but i have question what if i have a like a lil dent or something between there what could i do to fix it beside sending it to a shop cause i dont have the money for that right now???

[Bongpain]

Man that sucks. sorry to misdirect you. glad you found the problem GOOD LUCK.!!

[PyR0NiAk]

i know you told me so lol...damn i just was hoping it wasnt that..but am not driving it i already started taking everything off to get to it now..but i have question what if i have a like a lil dent or something between there what could i do to fix it beside sending it to a shop cause i dont have the money for that right now???

You shouldn't have a dent in your head... As far as the gasket change it... the only big problem you could have is the head being warped... Did you purchase the engine from a junkyard or a private person? If you got it from a junkyard, there's a decent chance you can tell them what's wrong and them give you a refund or at least a replacement... Private person... You're usually pretty much on your own, especially considering they most likely knew this was wrong...

[newyork910]

no i got it from a friend of mine that got in car crash n couldnt drive it anymore i guess am going to have to check to see if the head is messed up or not...

[PyR0NiAk]

no i got it from a friend of mine that got in car crash n couldnt drive it anymore i guess am going to have to check to see if the head is messed up or not...

If it's a good friend, I doubt he intentionally sold you a messed up engine. I'd say your head gasket just isn't seated well... Still, check the head as an in-case thing though.

[newyork910]

i have another question does the head gasket have the same amount of holes that the block has????because i seen that the gasket has less holes on it then the block...i would put some pics to see you guys but not sure how to tho... am bout to put everything back together and see what happens from there...

[PyR0NiAk]

i have another question does the head gasket have the same amount of holes that the block has????because i seen that the gasket has less holes on it then the block...i would put some pics to see you guys but not sure how to tho... am bout to put everything back together and see what happens from there...

http://www.photobucket.com to upload your photos...

as far as the amount of holes... I do not know... Sorry Never really worked on a KA

[carkook]

No the headgasket does not have as many holes as the block, its just the way its designed. And if you drained your oil and there was no coolant in your oil the headgasket is FINE. This sounds like an external leak somewhere and its just running down your engine. You said you replaced a bunch of hoses my bet is that you didnt tighten one up all the way or something.