Need bass. Challenging.....

[elwesso]

Alright.....

In my old Q i had a 10 in and 240 watt kenwood amp, that really worked good... However, this isnt going to work on my Q45...

Here is what the trunk of my current Q45 looks like



Requirements: I must be able to fit golf clubs in the car... Right now, if I diagonal from the bottom end of the bottle up to the top right hand side of the trunk they will BARELY fit... I dont want to have to deal with sub/amp id have to take out anytime I wanted to go somewhere that required trunk space

Basically im looking for something i can nicely hide behind the trunk divider by the gas tank (where my old amp was) or something that will take up basically no space in the trunk...

Will a basslink tube fit beside the gas tank?

[Silvia007]

My brother put in a Bazooka Tube. It comes with a 8" DVC sub that sounds pretty nice and fits right in that area you are talking about.

[elwesso]

Could you point me to the model he has...

if I have it in the said area, it should almost be sa good if not better, since the sound wont have to go through the gas tank.....

[AZhitman]

Wes - Skip all that and add an Infinity Basslink.

Cost a little more (around $120 on ebay, retail is $350+), but by far the most bang for the buck AND you can tap into your speaker leads.

[SDRonEbay]

You talking about this one?

http://www.shadowdragonracing.com/uploads/nos8.jpg

8" Bass Tubes Subwoofer6-300 watts4 ohm102 dbPeak power is 600 watts per channel

[PoorManQ45]

Wes: It appears to me that you need to do some rearranging.

You see the controller next to the Race Cell. I would suggest moving that to the over side of the Cell, infront of the NOS bottle. This would kind of protect it from any of your cargo moving around. Also, the fuel pump should be placed on one of the fenders.

This will give more space to work with, or it would at least make it easier to get a golf bag in there.

Would a golf bag fit if you laid it between the NOS bottle and behind the passenger side fender (If you moved the battery case, I mean). If so, I would suggest moving the battery case up against the gas tank divider, right along side the passenger fender. Or, you might have to measure it, but I think an Optima or some other small battery may be able to fit next to the gas tank.

[elwesso]

Greg.. DO you think it would be as powerful as my old one?? I guess I wnat to find something with at least 250 watts.. I will look into one of those... How big one can I get before fitment becomes an issue.....?

Brien that oculd work, but the trunk isnt exactly flat there..... Plus it could potentially move around... If I squeeze I can get the golf bag in there, i just need to fortify things so that if I put a bunch of crap in there I wont hurt anyhting.. plus jumping would be a royal PITA.. I dont plan on doing any rearraging... Except MAYBE move the bottle into the spare tire area, but id kinda like to have a spare.....

[elwesso]

Are we talking something like this

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-H...SSLIN

WIll this fit in the said location by the gas tank.

[Simmsled]

Sup Wes, I know it sounds funny, but there is a Bazooka sub that looks like a nitrous bottle. It would not be ricey in your vehicle because of the fact that you have nitrous. So that is cool. But don't settle for anything less than a 10 in the Q because of the fact that there is so much stuff (fuel tank) between you and the trunk.

[elwesso]

Matt... I know what your saying, but like I said it HAS to live in the area by the strut towers/gas tank..... I wont be taking out my nitrous bottle aynytime soon

That was an idea, but Id live with bose with no sub before i get rid of nitrous!!!

[Simmsled]

well in that case, measure the space you have in there and see if there are any pre fabricated boxes that will fit.

[Rex]

Build yourself a small box with an aperiodic mat, problem solved.

Yea, that one's gonna cause some head scratching .

[elwesso]

That would be good, just to use what Ive got.. But I figure the box that the sub is in now is specifically tuned for that, correct.....

Not gonna take any shortcuts with this Q, if the basslink is what I need, then we'll go with that...

Are the bazooka's just as good?

[Rex]

yes, the box your current sub is in was built for it by the sub manufacturer, but an a-periodic mat allows the sub to feel like it's in a bigger box, when the bass needs it. $$, but what the best ever systems were built using back in the late 80's & 90's. It's more (but not very) common place nowadays and would allow for some unreal bass from small enclosures.

[elwesso]

Ill take some measurements, so it may have to be slightly goofy shaped.....

Does the size of it really matter, or is it more internal volume?

[PoorManQ45]

Does the size of it really matter, or is it more internal volume?

The internal volume is what matters the most.

I have made a 4 cubic foot enclosure that was kind of in the shape of an "L". The sub was mounted on the tall "leg" of it. In the short "leg" that went along the floor, I installed a 1in thick carpet mat on all sides. The short leg essentially acted as a "trap". The sub seemed to act like it was in a much larger box. I made a standard 4 cubic foot square and tested the sub in it. The "L" shaped box had a much greater bass output...

for your application, you could have a box custom made that would sit on or be attached to one of the fender wells. It could be rather un-obtrusive and still alot you the volume that you require.

[Dano]

id keep the fuel cell as close to the middle as possible in case the event of impact... i'd go with the infinity basslink as Greg said, that thing is cool as hell.

-Dan

[elwesso]

Tomorrow I will take some measurements and see if its even possible to build a decent sized box in the area I was speaking...

I may actually take out the race gas fuel cell, as I dont really need it for the current NOS setup im using.. But it looks very golden

Ill look at a bass link though... Especially if itll fit inthe area that I suggested!

[AZhitman]

Trust me, a properly set up Basslink will pound the piss out of that car.

So much so that you MAY have to isolate your CD changer.

[elwesso]

Looks like thats the final word, if we're 100% sure that it will fit in the area next to the gas tank and strut tower on the drivers side...

[AZhitman]

Well, you could always go to Crutchfield for dimensions, then measure your space.

[maxnix]

Preceding discussion shows why it wise to invest in a closed, stationary quiet space for good sound, and not so wise in a moving metal box.

Then you could put your listening room on a trailer, I guess.

Even large bus type RV ($500K-$1.5M+) have acoustic problems.

Same dilemma for "modern" tuners; wanna optimize over the road performance, or just be loud?

[Rex]

Most car audio discussions are about "crude" sound, as obtaining real true audiophile level sound quality requires some compromise, whether it be in the cars performance or staging (right v. left, accommodating the steering wheel structure) or the fact that not every passangers ears will be in the same exact place and not all road surfaces will allow for the same "back ground" impacting the sound environment.

Find what you like and build on that. I was big into bone shaking bass 15 years ago, and still enjoy good "feel-able" rhythm most of the time. I could use lots of terms to basically explain listen to what you like how you like in a safe manner. Hearing damage can (and in my case probably did) happen, so be careful. Tonality, range of sound, staging, etc are and will be more important, but most often are not realistically achievable in anything less than a "listening/concert hall".

Now, this car (click image, for complete write up) is one attempt to create an ideal listening environment, but I'm sure all the equipment negatively impacts the cars performance.



Pardon the tanget, it's not often we get traffic in here .

[PoorManQ45]

Preceding discussion shows why it wise to invest in a closed, stationary quiet space for good sound, and not so wise in a moving metal box.

Then you could put your listening room on a trailer, I guess.

I didn't buy a trailer or anything. I just put my "listening room" in the back seat.

Most car audio discussions are about "crude" sound, as obtaining real true audiophile level sound quality requires some compromise, whether it be in the cars performance or staging (right v. left, accommodating the steering wheel structure) or the fact that not every passangers ears will be in the same exact place and not all road surfaces will allow for the same "back ground" impacting the sound environment.

I don't think I gave up much performance(When the car was running). My stereo added about 80Lbs (Small Child?) Also, I did not have a problem with staging. As my speakers sat in the back seat facing directly forward.

^^^ I guess I found a descent "cure" to the two problems that you stated.

I was big into bone shaking bass 15 years ago, and still enjoy good "feel-able" rhythm most of the time. I could use lots of terms to basically explain listen to what you like how you like in a safe manner.

I love Big Bone shaking Bass, but I Hate the "Bass" that people play from their car stereo systems. There is no reason for a 50~100Hz frequency to be played at 140DB. <- That doesn't impress me at all. The only time I am impressed is when somebodies car stereo is playing a 15~20Hz frequency at 120Db. For those of you who don't know, this would not be heard, it would be felt.

Note, to acheive a 15Hz 120DB sound, you would need at least 2 18in Drivers with a moving peak-to-peak excursion of 3in. . If somebody had a car stereo that could do this, they would earn both my respect and my pity. I would pity them because all of the glass in their car would be broken, and even worse, because they would no Longer be able to hear because they would have ruptured their ear drums.

[audtatious]

Wes, didn't know you had purchased Fred's car. Good deal

How about something custom, but simple? Small wedge box custom built at the tail of the trunk with a couple of long-throw 8's? The amp could be mounted behind the seat under the CD changer. A couple of good 8's would sound just fine and if designed properly some golf clubs would fit easily. Don't forget about some metal grille's.

[elwesso]

Thanks for the reply matt!!

Since I am possibly taking out the nitrous, that will free up that corner for something... If my current box doesnt make it fit, then ill figure something out.. Id like to use what i have already before i start buying new stuff..... Either way im not going to do anything until something happens with nitrous...

[accel junky]

Trunk is looking fine already

[audtatious]

Howzit going now? Make any decisions?

If you need some help with installation and box building, LMK. I can always clean out my garage and help you if you want to travel 1.5 hours south. I have basically everything you would need from a tool standpoint.

[elwesso]

For now.. im going to hook everything back up the way I had it.. I still have at least 3 months until i start playing golf a lot....

What I want to do is have a box made that fits by the nos bottle... Hopefully I can have one big enough... In that corner to the left of the bottle.....

Id like to move the bottle ideally, but i dont know where...

[audtatious]

Keep us updated.

If ya need anything, let us know