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Lol, contract? If they don't pay me, they fault on their contract with me, breaching it, and making it void. I would be able to leave whenever I want, and they couldn't do anything about it.

And that's the thing, out of all my anger, frustration, ect, I'm still yet to call a single racial slur against him. AND! Get this! I'm what you might call a "dumb redneck hillbilly." I'm from the south, raised on southern values. I was exposed to plenty of racism growing up, but still, not a single racial slur from my mouth.

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Ace2cool wrote:It's a dinner with a guy in a suit that gets paid to talk and sign things.Woooooo.
Now how could I possibly interpret that wrong? :rolleyes:
It's so much more than that, and you know it.
You're right. I am downplaying it, but it's the principle of the matter that I don't know him, I don't like what I do know about him, and he probably doesn't have any desire to get to know me. Such is the way of modern politics. Which is why I would respectfully decline.


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It's sad that this thread turned into a stinkfest. I think the hype everyone is making about it is much ado about nothing. It seems clear to me the White House staffers are not NASCAR fans, because the season is still going on. That means the drivers and their schedules are at their busiest. Had the White House staffers made the invitations for AFTER the NASCAR season ends, when the drivers have a more open schedule, I'm sure most, if not all of those drivers would accept a presidential invitation. The racism angle is silly and contrived.

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Ace2cool wrote: In 2 years, we will have the weakest military on the face of the planet.
We have quite a ways to go before that happens. I realize that's sort of a figure of speech, and yes, all our equipment will be pretty damn useless if we don't pay the personnel to use it, but we can certainly afford lots of military budget cuts before becoming a weak military... the cuts would just have to be smarter (such as kill off some programs or cut R&D in an area before not paying your personnel).

I haven't checked lately, but a few years ago (2007?) US military spending accounted for roughly 50% of the entire world's military budget IIRC.

I've found it odd that this country seems to always (lately) come out with the latest and greatest badass military s***, and only produce like 1-50 units of whatever that is. We're certainly diverse, and have many tools in our toolbox though.

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It's just the president dawg!! Lol.

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they have their reasons for not accepting the offer. whatever they may be, it was their prerogative to decline, get off their nuts already. me? i'd go. how many chances do you get to sit and dine with the hnic of the greatest nation in the world? any former president could call me up and invite me for a bite and i'd accept. gadafi could call me up and i'd grab a burger with the guy (i'd also turn his a** in, but i'd wait until AFTER he footed the bill). he isn't just a guy with an office job. for all intensive purposes (love you adam), he is the face and leader of our nation. imho, it's an honor to break bread with the man. i would actually put my personal feelings aside and enjoy his company. although i may hand him a "thank you" note with some expressions of just how i felt about his job performance at the end of the night.

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numbnuts240 wrote:for all intensive purposes
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numbnuts240 wrote:love you adam
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Ace2cool wrote:
JoeCool6972 wrote:Probably because they know the stupid racist rednecks that watch NASCRAP. They would lose viewers! Seriously, I hear a lot of rednecks talking about that "n****r president." It burns them up the people elected a black man. And it figures some of the biggest a-holes in NASCRAP are the ones not attending. :facepalm:

I don't give a damn WHO the president is and whether you like them or not, it is a great honor to sit at the same table with the leader of our country. :patriot:
I wouldn't do it unless I was ordered.

Also, YOU are the reason that the idea of racism is still perpetuated through generations. Everyone calls racism on anything and everything negative regarded towards President Obama. Never mind the fact that he is a terrible slick talking president that's only delivered on less than half of what he's promised. If it weren't for the fact that he is black, he would be regarded on equal terms with President Bush. It's the fact that every criticism directed toward him is deemed as racist, that people have to carefully tread when addressing his shortcomings, that he is still regarded even as well as he is now.

Also, the reason I wouldn't accept a dinner invitation with him isn't the fact that I'm a "dumb hillbilly redneck racist," it's because he has run our country into the ground, and is trying to take my paycheck away. Obama imposed a 1.4% pay raise for military servicemen and women for this year. That is the lowest pay increase we have seen since 1973. Nevermind the fact that that's a LOWER RATE INCREASE THAN WELFARE RECIPIENTS. So yeah, I must totally be racist, not wanting to go to a dinner with the President who is taking all my sh*t away.

Also, never mind the fact that most of these drivers, somewhere on their car, have one of these:

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Politics is a much bigger deal down south than racism, believe me. It's sh*t like this that gets me all fired up. Ignorant f*cking people calling ignorance and racism on people of a different area simply because that's the stereotype that's in the media and in Hollywood. Let's step back and think about this: Why does the media report certain things? Because it gets viewers. What gets viewers? Scandals, racism, civil rights, ect. So though it may be an isolated event, the media will be all over the hillbilly in Alabama who is spouting off about how he doesn't like the fact that the President is black, as opposed to the people in the same county who believe that the President is doing a downright terrible job simply because he is a sh*tty president.

I've got half a mind to move this to politics, just so it doesn't get Gen Chat all fired up.

rofl i stopped reading at horrible slick talking president. thats what they all are it dont matter what color ethnicity religion or origin, they all lie to get your vote. So take it or leave it quit bitching, unless your going to be the president one day and actually stay true to your word, then why complain, does no good its a nico forum, not a washington dc forum, go talk about 240s or something, for real.

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AppleBonker wrote:
numbnuts240 wrote:for all intensive purposes
:squint:
I saw that too and I am laughing as well. Well, to be fair, I have intensive purposes.

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:rotflmao


OMG, that is too funny.

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Good read that is great Hhaha

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Ace2cool wrote:Keep it up, buddy. Now you're just pushing buttons and turning this into a stinkfest. Dave and I were having a grown up conversation, and now you're coming in here ranting and raving. You may think it's an honor to meet the POTUS, but trust me, he's just another person with a title that gets paid way too much to screw this country and its inhabitants over time and time again.

I reiterate, only under a military order would I sit at the same table willingly.
...why? This is a serious question: are you somehow incapable of controlling yourself? Do you not even respect the office?

As many policy disagreements as I had with President Bush, I'd take that offer in a heartbeat. Should even Michelle Bachmann win the Republican nomination and become our President in 2012, I'd take that offer. There are folks in Congress who want to make policy decisions that would directly affect my job - I'd be on the street if Ron Paul got his way. But I'd still talk to the guy, given the chance. There are some things in life you shouldn't deprive yourself. Insight into life at the White House is certainly one of them, and a conversation over what's sure to be excellent food with knowledgeable people is going to be both enlightening and delicious.

Seriously, I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason that anyone would turn down an invitation that wouldn't make them look petty. Marco Rubio is the only one: of all the Republicans who won't be attending his speech to Congress tonight, Rubio said he couldn't guarantee that he'd be there because his mother is ill. There's one Republican who plans to be in his office across the street, watching the speech on television, sending snide remarks across twitter at the time.

Really, folks, can we be adults?
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Ace2cool wrote:Or did you forget that earlier this year, he tried to take that away from me completely for a full month?
I must have missed that, and the headlines it would have made. What happened?

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Remember the whole "government shutdown?" Yeah, that *almost* applied to the military as well. Thing is, you can't shut down the military like an on/off light switch. We stayed working, not knowing whether or not we were actually going to be paid. Sure, there was talk that it would be paid back to us when the budget had been more thoroughly discussed, but the bottom line was the fact that we almost went without a paycheck for the allotted time that we were still working. Early talk was that it may have been extended for as long as a month's time.

I, for one, was still being paid E-3 pay then. I lived paycheck to paycheck. Now that my E-4 pay is finally rolling, I'm a little more stable, but I wouldn't have been able to pay my bills had that happened. And it wasn't like I could go out and find a part time job for the period of no pay; I was still working 12 hour days at the squadron.

And as far as your question if I am incapable of controlling myself, I'm not even going to justify that with an answer. That is a downright childish statement, Isaac. How about these other notable names declining a presidential dinner:

Speaker of the House John Boehner (3 separate occasions, no reasons given)
Representative Mitch McConnell
United Nations Ambassador Angelina Jolie (Yes, you read that correctly. She believed her time could be spent better elsewhere, according to her close friends.)

I think we may have bigger problems than one p!ss-ant little E-4 in the Navy not wanting to have a sit down with someone he doesn't like, or even when a couple of good ole redneck boys that drive cars decline an invitation. When the upper echelons of our country are refusing to do the same, that's when we should probably raise an eyebrow.

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I'm not a fan of NASCAR or the president. I guess I have no leg in this race.

I would still go to the White House just to see the building up close. Even if I'm not a fan of Barry, I'm a fan of the building and its history. I'd just squint really hard and pretend BHO was RWR or DDE.

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Ace2cool wrote:Remember the whole "government shutdown?" Yeah, that *almost* applied to the military as well. Thing is, you can't shut down the military like an on/off light switch. We stayed working, not knowing whether or not we were actually going to be paid. Sure, there was talk that it would be paid back to us when the budget had been more thoroughly discussed, but the bottom line was the fact that we almost went without a paycheck for the allotted time that we were still working. Early talk was that it may have been extended for as long as a month's time.
What is it you think President Obama should have done? You know it's Congress, and not him, that pays you, right? He signs the checks, but only when they say he can.

The only "government shutdown" we almost had was back in April when Congress almost didn't pass a law saying that the United States should spend anything. I guarantee you that President Obama wasn't out there demanding that Congress cut your pay. If you're referring to the debt ceiling crisis, there was never, legally, a shutdown. If the Government didn't pay you, you had a right to sue, as did every other employee and contractor that Congress refused to allow the President to pay for without removing the requirement that they be paid. While the President has a great deal of control over your life, as an active service-member, the one thing he has almost no control over is your paycheck.

In each case, it was Congressional a**-hattery that was bringing you down, not the President. It seems odd that you'd be pissed at him. Oh, and I am more than happy to call Captain Orange, the Turtle, and Angelina Jolie petulant children.

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And the pissing match moves to the proper venue.

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Hey, I'm not talking politics. I'm talking civics. :P

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It's too grown up for the General kiddies. ;)

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Ha! Sarcasm duly noted. I am comforted, nonetheless.

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Ace2cool wrote:. . .

Mike, I would love to respect him. But I just can't bring myself to. He's done so many things, focused on so many subjects that weren't even relevant, while letting so many other things go by the wayside, that I just can't do it. Military spending cuts when we already can't afford to train our students. Ok, that's cool. In 2 years, we will have the weakest military on the face of the planet. Our pilots won't know how to actually fly jets, because the only "flight time" they got was in a simulator. We won't have flight capable aircraft, because we already don't have money to buy parts. He doesn't think long term. This country is the biggest target out of any country in the world. We need a military to defend against anything, and he's trying to take that away.
Then if we get another president like GWB we're going to be totally screwed aren't we? The good news is that Obama did, in one strike, with a hand full of Navy Seals, what GWB couldn't do in 7+ years of invading countries and prolonging wars. He killed the countries #1 enemy. I see that as a much more economical, reasonable, even effective way of protecting the country.

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R/T Hemi wrote:
Ace2cool wrote:. . .

Mike, I would love to respect him. But I just can't bring myself to. He's done so many things, focused on so many subjects that weren't even relevant, while letting so many other things go by the wayside, that I just can't do it. Military spending cuts when we already can't afford to train our students. Ok, that's cool. In 2 years, we will have the weakest military on the face of the planet. Our pilots won't know how to actually fly jets, because the only "flight time" they got was in a simulator. We won't have flight capable aircraft, because we already don't have money to buy parts. He doesn't think long term. This country is the biggest target out of any country in the world. We need a military to defend against anything, and he's trying to take that away.
Then if we get another president like GWB we're going to be totally screwed aren't we? The good news is that Obama did, in one strike, with a hand full of Navy Seals, what GWB couldn't do in 7+ years of invading countries and prolonging wars. He killed the countries #1 enemy. I see that as a much more economical, reasonable, even effective way of protecting the country.
Oh did he do that? I forgot about that along with the rest of the country.

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In response to what JoeCool said about Nascar and racism. A Nascar race was THE most unpleasant experience Ive ever had. The nature of the racist verbal abuse, the spitting, the intentional dumping of alcohol was something I thought no longer existed. Coming from people of all ages. I told a friend of my horrible experience, and he thought I was straight up lying to him. Until he took me to another Nascar race, where in addition to the racist abuse, they thought we were gay. And thus an onslaught of Gay comments.

Am I going to take my experience and say this is how all Nascar fans feel? No, but in the two races Ive been to, it certainly felt like that. I no longer watch Nascar.
Ace2cool wrote:The only way I'd be sitting at a table with him eating is if it were an official military order.


Nice to know that when your Commander in Chief calls for you, you would openly reject him.
stebo0728 wrote:Oh did he do that? I forgot about that along with the rest of the country.
I see you have a short term memory loss. Ive got a pill for that. There is also Electro Convulsive Therapy that may help as well, but more tests need to be done.

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R/T Hemi wrote:
Then if we get another president like GWB we're going to be totally screwed aren't we? The good news is that Obama did, in one strike, with a hand full of Navy Seals, what GWB couldn't do in 7+ years of invading countries and prolonging wars. He killed the countries #1 enemy. I see that as a much more economical, reasonable, even effective way of protecting the country.

oh, so that explains the recent influx of service men and women from over seas, im so glad the wars are over......oh, wait....

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If these goofs want to impress me, turn right.

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bigbadberry3 wrote:President asks you to do something.

You do it.
When you are Tony Stewart, you are allowed to say no. In my book.

It looks like this is just a lunch invitation? Seriously, since the President is not the Commander and Chief of auto racing for this country, I think they can say 'no.' Now if Mike Helton told them to go, they go.

And Jeff Gordon is dead to me. The stock in Pittsboro just went down in my book. (an Indiana rivalry thing between the two drivers).

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themadscientist wrote:If these goofs want to impress me, turn right.
They do, it is called Sonoma.

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Cold_Zero wrote:
themadscientist wrote:If these goofs want to impress me, turn right.
They do, it is called Sonoma.
and Watkins Glen.

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And Dale Earnhardt... right into a wall.

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Still too soon?

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DOH.

I'd attend, for the same reasons TMS and Jesda cited. Not because I owe POTUS anything, and not bcause I "do what I'm told". Screw that. I do what I WANT, which is what Ace and the rest of our military men and women fight to defend every day.

And anyone tossing "racism" into this conversation is less intelligent than the average NASCAR fan, for two reasons: One, it's absurd race-baiting nonsense. Two, it's not illegal to be racist. That's a right. Don't like it? Move somewhere that has "thought police". I recommend Venezuela, China, N. Korea or anywhere in the middle east.

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Did I miss the part where it was suggested that the racists in the NASCAR anecdote posted in this thread should be imprisoned for their racism?

Serious question. It might have happened without me noticing, and I can't be bothered to go searching for what might be nothing, now.


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