My Race Bread got burnt.

[jrsink]

Alright, please for the love of god, do not say I told u so anyone. thank you. Ok, this is a true story.My R32 GTR spec V front clip and R33 rear end were supposed to arrive this week. I just found out a couple of days ago that it aint gonna happen.I got scammed!I had been actively looking for RB26dett front clips for a decent price with good shipping rate to Tampa, since about March of this year. I found someone on Ebay that had sold one to another guy in Canada for about $4,500. He also had previosly sold a 180sx front clip and some wrex injectors. I contacted him by email and asked if he could get another one. he said he had one with 19,000 miles, RB25 transmission, r33 rear end, brembos on the front still, gtr fuel pump, and axles. $3000 shipped. His name or alias or whatever is SHAUN MOLL; MY BUILDER RACING; Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada.I was calling him later last week to get the tracking number and to also order my mount kit and he said that he would call the company about the tracking number and get back with me. I didn;t hear anything for aout 2 days, no phone call; no email. I called him monday morning and his voice mailbox was blown up; went straight to voicemail, no space for anymore messages. I contacted the 3 people he did business with on Ebay. -DriverX Proshop was the first guy who bought another R26 front clip supposedly, and picked it up locally from his shop. He said everything worked out great, and that he lives right down the street from the shop. I haven't heard back from him yet.-The second guy who bought the wrex injectors also responded back with "...very good."-Patrick Burrit, bought a sr20 clip and is in the same position getting scammed as me. He also said that he has recieved countless email from others too.My Builder Racing 1 is no longer a registered user on Ebay now.

The money lost is not the issue that bums me out the most. It is the fact that RB is not sitting in my garage next to my completely stripped s13.

What should I do now? keep in mind: One, I know that I am addressing this poll towards RB dudes yes, and two, this vehicle is to be used exclusively for drifting purposes.a. stack my cheese up; take about 4 months and get togeter about $4,000 for a legit 26 front clip from a reputable shop.b. KA-Tc. 25d. or break new ground on a 35.

Officially Burnt ; so save your flames for newbie sandwhiches.

I'm majoring in culinary arts: you know, how to work BREAD, cheese, and dough, from scratch. Correction: BREAD?, cheese, and GO!

[Joe]

Yep.

WE TOLD YOU SO

did you listen? **** no. "wait till i do it for this cheap ill show you all." im sorry you got burned because it does suck. but dont think you are above what everyone told you just because you think you are getting a super deal.

[sean8564]

YOU have offically been flamed sorry dude for your loss but the rule of thumb is (If it sounds to good than it is to good) Be very careful next time. TRY http://www.jarcoinc.comhttp://www.jhotexports.com They are here in GA, which is close by and I don't think that any one has anything bad to say about them. NOW for my opinion go with the RB20 for Drifting. If you get to goto Jarco's warehouse ask to ride in there RB20 drift car it will change your outlook on the 20.

[Bio_Hazard]

How did you pay for the clip? if you used a credit card call your card company, if you used pay pall talk to them, and if you used a money order your screwd.

[biglipzit]

well that is really messed up... You got raped basically and i dont think u have heard the last of the "I told you so" yet. Oh well bio_hazard is right if u didnt use a money order you might still be able to get the money back. Keep trying to contact the seller and deffinantly report him to ebay. Ebay would file a lawsuit against him in favour of you so dont give up so fast.

[blk90s13]

no offence to canadians but i would never do business with them unless they are buying from me

jarco is the way to go i got two clips so far and over 15 for my freinds nothing wrong with any of them and all happy as can be

sorry for ur loss

[USsil80]

i would just like to say sorry ..i almost got burned from flashoptions but i got my clip minus the exu and some other stuff..... but what do you do to save 4 g in four months ..wish i could do that

[kouki-gymkhana]

Damn dude that sucks. I won't insult you by saying I told you so but if you want to know of some places with RB26s in stock in FL (or any other RB motor for that matter) lemme know...They don't have clips but they have complete motorsets.

[Eikon]

That really sucks man.

I am very sorry to hear it. I for one was hoping it was legit.

If I were you, my first option would be buying a plane ticket to Burnaby, British Columbia. I would make sure I checked my golf clubs and brought them along. I think I would have a 3 iron with that guys name on it.

Now, let's work on getting you your money back.

First off... how did you pay? Credit card? Casheir's Check? Paypal?

Secondly.. Get an account set up on http://www.northwestnissans.comThat is the nissan community in the pacific northwest... Seattle, Vancouver, etc... Tell your story and ask for some help in tracking that guy down.

Third... try to find out how to contact the guy. Keep chasing him.

Good luck man.. Hopefully it will work out... at least get your money back!

[Slo_240sx]

OUCH. Wait till Powell reads this one! There gonna be a long post starting with TOLD YOU SO. A 5k RB25 swap.... possible but I have the hook up and a shop. Any other regular joe wouldn't have done it without a shop, tools and atleast... 5k

[jrsink]

Kamin-i tried. o well. Sean8564-Can't do the RB20, sorry. The displacement just isn't there for my longterm power goals. No replacement...u heard it before. Thanks for the shop hook ups. I do know a few people now in Florida doing/wth RB20's; good stuff.

I paid for the clip using a wire transfer from my bank to his. I have all of his personal **** for the bank but, hasn't got me anywhere yet. I don't think they even flagged his account or anything. It wasn't officially through Ebay: wont work. He probably got in trouble for something recently though because as of a few days ago doesn't have a registered account there anymore. i do want to try to send an email or talk to someone at Ebay though. They may have some of his personal **** too.i have been checking out Jarco a little. its gonna be awhile.

I deliver fried tofu; jk, chinese food; straight cash everynight; usually at least $110/ night. I dont have many bills. Sheet, i know some Hooters waitresses that are making like $200+ for just a few hours of waitressing. These women need some race bread men in their lives.

What's up with some decent florida shops? In my opinion, the prices here for SR things are quite inflated. RB-not much anywhere. I know the shop in homassas and i know there are a couple in Miami.

Eikon, I'm on a plane right now. jk. But the thought did cross my mind. Im going to set that account up immeadiately; i know the guy knew what the hell he was talking about. I talked to him so many times in a three week span. He was SO specific about certain things that i needed to do for the swap into an s13. Man, this cokcface knew i was dropping every cent for the swap too.

Anyone ever heard of driverx proshop?

Powell...I love that guy.

[Nameless EJ6]

Well.. that sucks. I won't say anything else.. because **** happens. My friend was scammed on a GSR swap from a Canadian guy. He never got his money back.

KA-T is what I'd do. Forget an RB.

[Carl H]

Well.. that sucks. I won't say anything else.. because **** happens. My friend was scammed on a GSR swap from a Canadian guy. He never got his money back.

KA-T is what I'd do. Forget an RB.

oh so very tru, if you are just looking for all out power then skip an engine swap and do a ka-t.for the money ive spent on the rb i could have had a 500whp ka-t that was built to the teeth.

[gawdzilla]

had a feeling this was gonna happen, but getting scammed sucks.

when something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

another thing: if you need to SAVE FOUR MONTHS to gather another $4k, do NOT do this swap. You should have had 4k LYING around under your mattress already for this swap on top of the motor. when you spend 100% of your dough to just buy a motor, you're stretching yourself way too thin.

from here, if your goal is to "be a drifter", spend your money on track time, tires, and LEARNING how to drift. even the N/A KA can drift.

hate to be negative, but i would **** a brick if you got your money back. sure you can claim you are flying there to find him w/ your baseball bat, but are you really going to spend another 1k to fly there and gamble at his front door? he's not going to have 4k in his pocket spilling out to give back to you. hell, he'd prolly have a gat in his hand opening his door for you. its an international case, so its near impossible to pursue. plus you gotta pay all the "pursuing" fees.
Modified by gawdzilla at 6:45 AM 5/23/2005

[Spazz]

Contact the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, ask to speak with a detective tell them you were scammed and give his account number and branch number (just give everything you know about him), dont bother with the local cops in his area, provincial and city cops are usless...

[rb250sx]

You wont get anywhere by contacting any law enforcement. My friend go scammed on ebay once buy someone in Canada. he contacted US and Canadian officials, but because its an international case it would have to go through the Interpol. And i guarentee you they arent going to take the time to investigate some guy who didnt ship a motor and shut off his phone. Theyre too busy busting the big drug cartels and counterfitters.

[Wulfgang]

Wait, wait. Lemme get this straight. You paid $4500 with a wire transfer to someone out of country that had a grand total of two -- TWO!!! -- good feebacks, and you did not even go through ebay. So basically you were asking the guy to teach you some hard lessons... no, you were begging him. You should have learned at least 4 things, and don't ever repeat them:

1. Never send $4500 out of country.

2. Never do business with someone who has less than 99% good feedback and at least 100 sales; even if you do go through ebay.

3. Never do a wire transfer unless you are buying a house and have a lawyer looking over your shoulder. For everything else there is MasterCard. Or Paypal. Don't do money orders that big either.

4. Repeating others, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

And the 5th thing is even more important. You came to this forum looking for info on swaps you previously knew little about, and several experienced people told you that $4500 was too little. Now you know that it is. So the last lesson:

5. Don't question the experts unless you are an expert yourself (or if you can afford to lose $4500).

[Wulfgang]

Btw, there were some hints of Canadian-bashing in this thread. The problem is not a Canada... it's dealing with anyone out of country, and NAFTA does not apply to law enforcement. So treat Canada as you would any other country, and be wary when doing business across international borders.

I personally have done lots of business with Don Nimi at http://www.pdm-racing.com in BC and have nothing negative to say (except that the exchange rate now sucks).

[Nameless EJ6]

Ay, I don't think anyone has anything against Canadians. =p

Like I said, my friend never got his money back. He was also scammed by a guy in Canada through wire transfer. He's notified over 30 different authorities. Alas, he's given up.. because they can't do **** for someone out of the country. The best route in getting your money back would be to play the stock market.. or the lottery, because it won't happen.

I guess I should say one simple thing though, which isn't intended to bash: You should have asked us some questions first before making a purchase like that. Many of us here have experience with Ebay scammers, out of country scammers, and shady business hooligans.

I've been scammed, my friends have been scammed.. god there's a LOT of people I am aquanted with who have been scammed.

I've made a thread that is now 26+ pages long on Honda-Tech entitled "The Giant List of Scammers" which is stickied in the classifiends.. if you had asked, I would have pointed you there so you could have at least checked some of the information posted by individuals who've been had.

g/l. Nice to see you're sticking around. I still think the KA-T is the best route.

[WDRacing]

Sean8564-Can't do the RB20, sorry. The displacement just isn't there for my longterm power goals. No replacement...u heard it before.

Thats almost the most ignorant thing I've ever read. To get the KAT to huge power levels you'll need to swap pistons as a minimum. To get the RB20 to that same level...nope, no swap required. To rev the RB25 to 8000RPM, you'll need balancing and a new valvetrain...RB20...nope, same answer as before.

What you need to do is put down the crack pipe for a minute, pick a feasible avenue a go with it. I'd start by readin up on forced induction a little first. Try anything by Corky Bell, like Maximum Boost.

WD

[Spazz]

So what you're suggesting for him to do right now is nothing? I can guarantee that the local authorities will turn a blind eye. Get the RCMP involved. Get your local Congressman involved. Get his bank involved. Maybe Contact the better business bureau.If that doesnt work , have a private eye track his residence down and then go pay him a visit!*hint* 75% of canadians dont own guns, and if they do its usually a rifle.... As for the canadian bashing, get real, the only difference between canada and america is the exchange rate, and the amount of guns and theres 33 million people living here compared to almost 300 million in america...

[sean8564]

where is Jon powell for this thread

[rb250sx]

where is Jon powell for this thread

he said he was going out of town for a few days or something, thats why he wanted the voting for the logo to be held off.

[jrsink]

I'm still going through all the proper channels, Spazz, but in my mind the money is gone; it's not coming back; and that's it. I was working 2 jobs for the first half of the yearand going to school...just killing myself. I really am anxious to get on the road; to get sideways. But I don't really want to settle for anything.

I'm just gonna do a lot more research and saving and planning for the 26 over the next year. I'm not in that big of a rush. I don't think I'm dying or anything. And by the way I don't even have a KA. It is gonna be a swap to anything from where I'm at now. I just wanna do it right. KA-T aint for me.I know a few poeple know me and that I used to have a TT 3000gt. I do have an idea of what I'm going for. WD I was just tossing sheet. I wasn't that serious about the whole poll. I knew it would get a rise. Gawzilla I was being sarcastic about hunting this fukface down. I was stretching myself seriously thin but...I was really psyched to do it. It would have been worth it to me, to at least do the swap bare minimum and just get it on the road to start with. never happened though. not yet.

I actually lost $3000, not $4,500. The lesson here is that HAD I paid 45, I might have had a better chance, because that is a more realistic price tag.

I'll still be around, just not with that racing heartbeat and sweaty palms that comes from talking about race bread and baking your own.

It's like a grilled cheese sandwhich, gotta bring the butter or else the bread we'll get damaged. -mf doom

late.

[Cornloaf]

ur trippin man - go RB20 - it wil cost you 1500 for everything u need. And if u want it for drifting then definately go rb20. drifting requires high rpms all the time - less displacement on a straight six = high rpms no problems. the throw is so short

[sean8564]

yeah go for the 20 and i promise you will not be disappointed in its ability'sfor drifting.

[Nameless EJ6]

KA-T.

In fact, I think I may be selling my RB26 and going this route.. with the money it costs to do the RB26 stuff, I could have a 700hp KA..

[JonPowell]

First I want to say...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Then I would like to remind you of a few things....

lol. I like this guy. You'll be the first person I tell buddy. for sure. I think this next comment should get plenty of flamage, but...mark my word, and I'll come to the table with all reciepts, this swap is happening and the car is gonna be on the road with a little more than $5,000(with stock suspension) invested. no joke. no bs. I know ya'll can't wait.

Call it $8000 now!!! If you can find another $3000 Rb26 clip that really exists that is.

And another....

Maybe 19,000 mile is too much. Im sure most everything is crap on theclip. No, I undertand that some sheet can go wrong but ill just take it as it comes.its all good but it aint all peaches and creme.O... jon(s)... don't b such a pessimist. this is the RB26 were talking about after all.waterpumps, rotors, fuel filters...come on. minor details. Hammering on...this is an r32 spec v. someone paid a lot of money for this car. let it sit a little too. my guess is it was probably sum rich japanese dude's mid life crisis car in 92; weekend car. just my guess.this car has no ac, no ps, and no bs.do most people leave door panels when going full a full strip job?All very good issues to check out and address though jon, thanks.Im giddy like a little school girl.

Again, not a pessimist just a realist.

And finally....

I own an RB26dett clip. I am not wishing anything. I am making things happen. I am currently prepping an s13. The clip is in transit and has been for about a week. Where's yours bro? your cerebullum? Whatchu got? You know your doctor said you need to stay away from all these carbs.

HA HA HA HA

Next time maybe you will listen to the people who have already been through your situation. You arent inventing anything new here...Most of us have all (as they say) been there and done that...some of us have even gotten the stickers made to prove it. (I had personalized license plates...)

Hopefully you will recover your cash, or you engine...one of them...Maybe this will teach you that all that glitters aint gold. A tough lesson but some people pay over $40,000 for a real education...yours just cost $3000.

So in closing I would like to say......... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I TOLD YOU SO!

[wawazat8402]

Jon, weve been waiting for this reply during your entire vacation. i have to admit i was already chuckling when i saw that you had finally replied.

[sean8564]

ROFL Jon I think every one one to here what you had to say glad to see your back. also any news on the rb25 slave cylinder?