my (future) suspension setup what do you think?

[Hellion240sx]

i want to beeef up my suspension a bit so this is what im thinking... also i want better steering response. >>>STREET/DRIFT/DRAG<<< which setup does this fall under???FRONT greddy strut bar $105 shipped-- [will prevent chassis flexing under severe stress]

REAR upper 4 point strut bar $100 shipped -- [will prevent chassis flexing under severe stress]

rear lower strut bar (obx is the only company that i've seen make these) oh well $70

lower tie rod brace $185 shipped--[to strengthen the chassis and improve transient response by connecting the tension rod brackets. These power braces are designed to reduce the movement of the tension/control arms during hard cornering. As a result handling and steering response will improve]

TC Rods with Whiteline bushings installed $187-- [Increases steering feel, turn in, and braking response ]

whiteline(330+shipping) or sus tech ($229+shipping) front and rear sway bars-- [improve handling and steering response by minimizing body roll]

Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings $52/ set (it says i need two sets on the site???? so is that $104) --[eliminate slop by reducing the deflection ]

Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings $58 --[eliminate slop by reducing the deflection ]

Rear Camber Correction Bushings $85--[will help to correct excess negative camber ]

Front Lower Control Arm Bushings $62--[eliminate slop from your front end. Keep contact with the road by maintaining proper front end geometry]

MOOG Outer Tie Rod Ends $74--[Worn tie rod ends will cause excess wheel shimmy, and are a hazard to drive on]

MOOG Inner Tie Rod Ends $65--[S13's that havea "phantom clunk" in the front steering and more often the inner tie rod ends are worn or damaged from offroad excursions or accidents]

MOOG Front Lower Ball Joints $90--[? ya got me} heh

Rear Nissan Sub-Frame Align and Lock Kit $80 --[reduce rear axle hop, help reduce subframe squirm, and bounce ] {are these those pinnaple things?}

S13 Non ABS Viscous Limited Slip Differentials - $505 shipped--[Improves your drag 60 foot times, auto-x launches and tight corner exits, and overall performance driving]

total so far is $1953 with putting in these in myself(well with my friends too) is there any that i have to take to a shop? cuz i know if i didnt get the bushings installed on the tc's i would have to get them pressed, right? or can i do that with extra elbow grease annd sum curse words?

anything else above i need to add or leave out ????

ok now for the real big money coilovers i dont want to go over $1400 so a few optiions that i found wereTein HA Coilovers with rear and front pillow mounts $1350 shipped or Apex N1 World Sports Damper Kit $1300+shipping or TEIN Type BASIC $799+shipping modacarthese incl. Contents of damper kit: Height Adjustable shock absorber x4, Main spring x4 Lower spring seat x4, Seat lock x4, Thrust washer x4 Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4 Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual *Strut suspension comes with upper spring seator the Cusco Comp-S Coilover Sets 1400+shipping

{are the HA and the BASIC the same thing?}

yeah thats about all i can think of right now. ok so later on i will come up with my engine setup. i just want to have my list so i know what i want

thanks for your input, if i forgot something or am incorrect point it out.peace

[Hellion240sx]

yeah this took me a while to put this thing together!

[chmercer]

on the coilovers i would reccomend the tein HE. seems to be the best bang for your buck, 1200$ shipped too.

[sideshow]

um its usually better to try and design a setup around what you want to do, not what the parts turn it into. usually for drifting you want a really stiff car, for drag a lil softer i think for weight transfer, and grip racing im geussing is a lil softer than drift but still kinda stiff

[sideshow]

wow chmercer you have 4 s14a's? you lucky abstard

[chmercer]

lol, its a joke. like how rich people list all their cars for different purposes. i have just 1 car

[Hijacker]

you can get the bushings pressed in for cheap. cost me 15 bucks. Not a bad setup, but I would go with whiteline sway bars for the changability. i like having adjustable suspension. Allows for some very nice tuning. as much as i hate to pimp them out, SCC had an article on dialing in their suspension. Part I and Part IV of their project silvia. go check their website out

[Onizuka]

lol, its a joke. like how rich people list all their cars for different purposes. i have just 1 car

Shoes- getting aroundshoes- 1/4 mileshoes- autoXshoes + shoping cart- Extreme drifting1991 240sx- currently a paper weight / garage filler

i got super mad rides

[TurboKA37]

you just missed out on a pdm-racing suspension package that included pretty much every bushing u just mentioned, along with whiteline f/r sway bars and whiteline springs. this is what i bought along with some AGX shocks. only have about half the bushings installed, got the strut assembles installed along with the front sway bar. ill tell you how it turns out once everything is complete. which should be about another week

[D1SR240]

Hey TurboKA, i want to get whiteline psring with the agx's, how is the ride? how stiff are the springs? was it worth it? are you satisfired.

[Hellion240sx]

whats the diff when you get to adjust the sway nars?the same q with strutbar???thanks againstill learning

[Hellion240sx]

i was watching a vid just now and this guy in a supra was saying that his rear was too stiff??? how is that a bad thing???

oh and what is understeer and oversteer? i thought you needed that to drift...eh somebody help me understand this.

[Hellion240sx]

chmercer, where did you find them for that price???thanks

[Ceptos]

i would start with either wheels/tires or coilovers. after the coilovers you will most likely want tires (they seem to point out not so great tires quickly =)), so those will probably be your first two improvements. from there i would go by how it feels. at this point in my setup, after installing coilovers, i notice my steering is way to sloppy, so that will be my next step.

for someone who sounds very interested in improving handling and feel, i dont reccomend the world sports, they just dont compete with other coilovers esp. at the price of 1300. apexi is a great company, but the world sports were not designed for enthusiasts. the n1's of course are a totally different story, and price range.

in any case, i wouldnt buy a lot of parts at once (unless its something like a complete bushing replacement). i would improve one thing at a time, so you can asses what it has improved, and where you would like to go from there.

strut bars and the like are last on my list, but thats just me.

[TurboKA37]

D1SR240: after installing the whiteline springs, AGX struts, and front sway bar (still need bolts for rear sway bar) i noticed the ride wasnt that bad. definatley capable of everyday driving. i also noticed that body roll was greatly reduced. they seem to be soft enough for everyday driving and then stiffen up real nice when you get in the turns. i didnt really push the car too hard cuz i have two bald tires and i only had the front sway bar installed. overall, definatley worth it, made a nice sporty ride and also gets rid of the offensive fender gap . well worth the money. especially since i got my springs in a discounted package. i suggest it for anyone who wants to have a quality spring/strut combo rather than spending well over $1000 for coilovers.

[TurboKA37]

hellion: adjustable sway bars allow you two change how stiff either the front or rear of the car is. a stiff front and soft rear will cause understeer while a stiff rear and soft front will cause oversteer. since the whiteline sway bars are adjustable it allows the consumer to tune his/her suspension to the amount of over/understeer that they require. understeer: when the front wheels lose traction in turns, making it harder for the rear end of the car to swing out but more understeer means the car is capable of taking the turn faster.overersteer: when the car loses traction of the rear wheels causing the car's rear end to swing out and lose control. with excessive oversteer a car is not taking a turn as fast as it can if tuned correctly.

[Hellion240sx]

chmercer: where did you find them at that price for?

CEPTOS: i have 18 focal F10's with 225/40/18 toyo fz4

thank you turboka37i guess for the price of the sway bars its worth it when compared to the suspension techniques huh?ok so you need more oversteer for drifting right?is it possible to have a "too stiff" car?ok so everyday driving would need more...???

thanks again all

[chmercer]

i got them from http://www.turboevo.com email them and ask about it, they dont have the price listed.

[TurboKA37]

ok, whitelines sway bars worth the extra money? maybe, it depends on if you really need/want the adjustability of the, id say if your going to auto-x or bring it to the track its worth it, for just the daily driver with spirited driving every once in awhile who is conserned with money, you may want to go with the ST bars. but id still go for the whitelines cuz its not that much more.for drifting you need more oversteer, yes, but theres much more suspension settings that come into play such as camber but i dont want to get into all that.possible to have a "too stiff" car? possibly, if there is no rebound at all in the suspension when you go over bumps, the wheels will get air more often so i think you want some rebound in the suspension. im no suspension expert so you may want to go over to the suspension forum for more help.

everyday driving would need more? depends on the driver but if your driving the car everyday i imagine you dont want the car to be insanly stiff cuz ur *** will start to hurt. when you buy a car stock they are usually set for more understeer than oversteer because a car with understeer is much easier to control than one with oversteer. and a car with oversteer can be very difficult to drive in wet/snowy conditions.

[240marcuSX]

wait. they still make HE's?? i thought they stopped making them. im thinking about selling my koni's/eibachs, and getting some nice coilovers.

[crzycav86]

oh and what is understeer and oversteer? i thought you needed that to drift...eh somebody help me understand this.

http://www.neogentire.com/Interactive_%20Demo.zip

Download that, its very informative. You will learn a lot.

[Hellion240sx]

o yes thanks a lot for the link very very informative

[midwestdrifter]

i would also suggest some kind of research on your part. be it reading some suspension/driving technique book or some track instructions. personly id go with both. at the least some track instruction. it is better to be actually able to induce over/under steer than just read how to techinically do it. especially since you show some intrest in drift, which requires total car control.

[dl240sx]

do a whole bushing kit will really help alot. just takes a long time to drill all the old ones out. well worth it if you were not already considering it.

[WongFeiHung]

Sounds like you don't know too much about the handling of your car yet...no offense intended...

Although all the parts you listed are great mods, I would suggest now that you only replace worn parts...Ball joints, tie rod ends, tc rod bushings (or just get an adjustable tension rod for a comparable price: splparts, projectnissan <--around $150 on ebay) and maybe upgrading tires...

Learn to drive your car with the mostly stock suspension first, this is a great way to learn...Even though its tempting to get all these parts right away, learning on a stock/semi-stock suspension is GREAT experience...When you can somewhat master and learn about your current setup, then you will have a better idea of what exactly you want, and you won't buy something you don't like and/or outgrow...

[dl240sx]

little of topic, sorry, hey wong live in dallas. do you know when the next meet is going to be and were?

[WongFeiHung]

little of topic, sorry, hey wong live in dallas. do you know when the next meet is going to be and were?

I don't think there is a time or place for the next projectsilvia meet yet...were you at the last one? DNE has meets, but I think they are mostly Maximas...

If we can get a few people we can put our own meet together before the next projectsilvia meet...

[Hellion240sx]

none taken, i really don't know too much about my suspension, cuz the only place i learn anything, if i understand it at all, is from here. THIS IS MY ONLY SOURCE. thats why i try to get as much out of you guys as possible. i recently joined zilvia.net, will join fresh alloy soon too. to do more research. and now that you mention it, how do i tell if its worn out or not? i know, or at least i think i know, that the tension control rod bushing is all stressed crack looking. the tires i have, not on car yet, are 225/40/18 toyo fz4's. but i have been wanting to purchase two or three conuts so i can practice drifting. someone mentioned that to me b4.

adjustable tension rods... whats the (+)(-) of that?thanks again

still learning

[WongFeiHung]

Here's some info on my adjustable tc rods:http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....40454

From what you described it sounds like your tc rod bushing is shot, which is common. The reason I recommended the adj tc rod is because it can be a pain to press in new bushings into the tc rod...your other option would be to just replace the tc rod bushing with a whiteline or nismo bushing and find someone who can press them in...Replacing this really helps steering response...also inspect your ball joints and tie rod ends...

[Hellion240sx]

LOL to hell with inspecting imma just change them out, you know upgrade. i can inspect for 3 hours straight ,LOL, but i wouldnt know what the hell i would be looking at LOL. sigh this sux i need my 240 plpl around here.