Mufflers!

[Uncool]

I have used the search and all I can get are exhaust recommendations, and I am having a catback exhaust mandrel bent for me at a local body shop, so I just need a recommendation for the muffler. I need a 2.25 inlet since that is the piping I am using. I was thinking maybe a Flowmaster 40 series? I am trying to keep it under $100. Anything I should stay away from? What size outlet should I get? I want a deeper tone, but not too loud. Thanks guys

[MaineExport]

Flowmaster makes alright mufflers. I wouldn't expect too much for $100 though. Look into Thrush. They make very good quality mufflers for all kinds of custom applications. Your best bet would be dropping down $200 or more on an Apexi or GReddy universal muffler.

[musclesgabe]

get a dual tipped muffler if your looking for a deeper tone, also i have a naxos muffler and its awsome.

[red240ne]

the tips don't have anything to do with it. and pipes shouldn't matter too much unless you're planning on ka-t or sr20det

[Lobot]

Greddy doesn't make a universal muffler go with apexi...

[I H8 UR DSM]

or Rollhard Mufflers

[AZhitman]

or Rollhard Mufflers

...if you want to look like a dork.

Somebody put a grapefruit in that thing and let's see how far it'll shoot.

In all seriousness, consider an Ansa muffler - old-school looks, but unbeatable performance.

[Exar-Kun]

HKS and Apex-i make great stuff, I have a N-1 exhaust system on mine...

I dont really like anza, I had one on my 300ZX, and swapped it out for a borla...(this is just my opinion, duh.)

-chet

[skydragoness]

I'm thinking about going along the lines of a custom exhaust too,2.5' probably, and attach a apexi n1 muff or a 5zigen one, mostly because they provide silencers..

but i can't get over the cheaper dual muffs i've see online, don't know what their quality is like, but they look cool

like the Ractive muff that i had posted in another thread, that had that cool 'flame' treated tip you see on the JIC magic exhausts, but people tell me Ractive's are crap. Which sucks 'cause i like it, and it's stainless steel so it's not going to rust or something. But eh. :rolleyes

and i like the dual tip magnaflows, which i haven't heard anything bad about them, but who knows, someone may reply with a horror story of some sort...

[Mayhem_J30]

and i like the dual tip magnaflows, which i haven't heard anything bad about them, but who knows, someone may reply with a horror story of some sort...

can't go wrong with the likes of magnaflow and borla. price might be a bit more, but lifetime guarantee

[240south]

I've gotta custom exhaust and I used magnaflow. Sounds great very deep and not" too loud."

[skydragoness]

sweet, i'm taken!

i've seen some of their dual tip mufflers and they look nice!

[red240ne]

i got one of those newer vibrant mufflers, and it doesn't have that crappy rice sound to it. i like it, hell, it works for me.

[APEXi240]

I don't really think the sound has all that much to do with the muffler. Its the engine that makes the exhaust note, not the exhaust. I have a cheap muffler/catback on my car (meineki/focuz muffler, 200 bucks). My friend has the Apexi N1 on his Civic (5XX bucks). Mine sounds better, deeper, ect.

[I H8 UR DSM]

...if you want to look like a dork.

Somebody put a grapefruit in that thing and let's see how far it'll shoot.

In all seriousness, consider an Ansa muffler - old-school looks, but unbeatable performance.

nice, very respectful from a mod.....

do you have any sort of research to make a statement like that?

do you know what construction the mufflers use? and that its a higher grade than any of the other exhausts?

do you know that the power gains are obviously higher than the other exhaust with the race pipe?

what the hell is 'ansa', and who is running a 'ansa' on a respectable car?

PLEASE!

[AZhitman]

what the hell is 'ansa', and who is running a 'ansa' on a respectable car?

Let me clarify.

Ansa is an Italian company that has been providing performance mufflers to manufacturers (and the aftermarket enthusiast) since the late 50's. Starting with the Ferrari 250GT 2+2 back in 1960, Ansa products are also the exhaust of choice for Pantera, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, MG, Maserati, and many of the older racing BMW's.

So there's your list of "respectable" cars. With all due respect, ALL are preferable to a 240.

Several 300ZX and Vette owners also swear by their performance, and if you'll look closely, their quality and performance is being re-discovered by the modern import scene...

Incidentally, Borla (the company) was started by a protege of one of Ansa's founding exhaust engineers.

That chrome-plated "Stinger Missile Launcher" may get the attention of the 12-year-old girls out in front of the movie theatre, but louder ain't always better, and bigger is definitely irrelevant.

If they don't sell, you can always add LED's to the tip.

[I H8 UR DSM]

ok guy......nice

[I H8 UR DSM]

oh and by the way, from what i have read, those mufflers your refering to are developed more for tone than anything...and research that went into the ferrari muffler was done as far as performance aspects, and was researched for 3 more years to develop the tune they were looking for....it doesnt seem to me, that those mufflers are developed purely on performance notes, more so the piping and layout of it....

a rollhard muffler is proven to give performance gains, obviously from the race pipe, its the only muffler that can provide straight through performance from the 'cat' back, and not have any restrictions or air turbulance through the muffler...

just my 2 cents i guess..

and what grade steal are used in those two mufflers you are so high on?.....ill wait for that response. Thanks.

and yes, the american market opinions dont apply here, yes a lot of corvette owners do swear by borla mufflers.....does that mean they are the best? NOt at all....are they popular? yes.....in turn, the majority of the import scene swears by Apexi N1 systems...they are good, just like borla to the domestic owners....but again, doesnt mean its the best...

now in my opinion again....does Borla make the best muffler on the market in the US....NO-.....and it can be proven by dyno results, and composition...i really dont know why you are arguing that unless there is some sort of experience you have? I would be willing to talk to you off board, about putting together a little dyno challenge with your recommended muffler if you would like...hit me up on AIM.

later.

[Mayhem_J30]

a rollhard muffler is proven to give performance gains, obviously from the race pipe, its the only muffler that can provide straight through performance from the 'cat' back, and not have any restrictions or air turbulance through the muffler...

explain a lil more, i'm curious. what do you mean from the race pipe? isn't a race pipe just a straight pipe without a muffler? if there isn't any restrictions through the muffler doesn't that defeat the purpose of a muffler, because isn't it those restrictions that quiet the exhaust? not arguing just curious about the design and the used terminology. lots of stuff out there and we should all be so educated

[AZhitman]

its the only muffler that can provide straight through performance from the 'cat' back, and not have any restrictions or air turbulance through the muffler....

I'm not buying that. So you're saying Dynomax, Borla, Magnaflow, Apexi, Greddy, etc. are ALL inferior? No restriction or air turbulence? Son, you're confused. Air blown through a straight pipe becomes turbulent - it's called physics. Besides, if there's no restriction or turbulence, there's also NO sound dissipation, and therefore no NEED for a muffler. Just run straight pipes if that's the case. BTW, a little (just the right amount) backpressure is a good thing, especially for low-end torque.

To say ANY mod is PROVEN to give performance gains is misleading and has been debunked by several on this board. K&N is one of the prime purveyors of such rubbish, as are many of the aftermarket intake manufacturers...

and what grade steal are used in those two mufflers you are so high on?.....ill wait for that response. Thanks.

I don't know - And don't care. I don't profess to be an "exhaust technician". All I know is that a company 50+ years' experience in research and development isn't gonna get punked out by one of the thousands of fartcan manufacturers that have recently popped on the scene.

That being said, I wish your company the best of luck. Matter of fact, if you guys develop something with dual inlet and tips that matches the size and sound dissipation of my stock (but damaged) Q45 rear muffler (it has 3), I'll consider buying it... I'm shopping around.

[I H8 UR DSM]

thats not what the application is...its a muffler designed to be used on the street, but also be used on the track to get straight through performance with out haveing to drop the exhaust, or put another exhaust on the car....

its a muffler...and it has a straight pipe that fits/bolts in/to the muffler, and turns it basically into a straight pipe (laymens terms)....so when the race pipe is in, it doesnt have any characteristics of a muffler, so i guess there is no 'point' in having a muffler, except for the fact that you can simply take out the pipe when done, and return it to a normal muffler....

a example is the apexi silencer, the way that fits in, yet this is hte oposite, and goes all the way through the muffler, transforming the muffler to a 3" pipe......sort of like what some people do with their cats, hollow them, and put a pipe through it, but keep the cat there, so if a cop looks at it, he thinks you have a cat, yet its really just a pipe, with a cat on the outside....

thats not a great example but will give you an idea of what it looks like....

its a muffler, but at the track you can transform it into a straight through muffler/pipe.

it doesnt have the same pipe or muffler size as an N1 or anything, and IMO is more of a sleeper than most exhaust out there, the tip isnt large, and its no fartcan.

[APEXi240]

I think the Veilside Teardrop titanuim catback is the superior exhaust. About 9 lbs, and proven performance gains, like most other mufflers. But its 9LBS!!

[I H8 UR DSM]

http://www.rollhard.com/rpmufflers.htm

[Mayhem_J30]

its a muffler...and it has a straight pipe that fits/bolts in/to the muffler, and turns it basically into a straight pipe (laymens terms)....so when the race pipe is in, it doesnt have any characteristics of a muffler, so i guess there is no 'point' in having a muffler, except for the fact that you can simply take out the pipe when done, and return it to a normal muffler....

now it makes sense. gotcha!

[90240sx]

I have used the search and all I can get are exhaust recommendations, and I am having a catback exhaust mandrel bent for me at a local body shop, so I just need a recommendation for the muffler. I need a 2.25 inlet since that is the piping I am using. I was thinking maybe a Flowmaster 40 series? I am trying to keep it under $100. Anything I should stay away from? What size outlet should I get? I want a deeper tone, but not too loud. Thanks guys

i put a flowmaster sport-comp on my 1990 240. It puts out GREAT sound, but it is a little loud around 3000 RPM's. The muffler only cost $99. So i think its a deal. There is absolutely NO rice sound to it. its a very rich sound, not raspy. the only negative is the loudness of it. if your putting it on a 240, make sure they take the resonator out also.

[AZhitman]

DSM - That makes sense now. I was wondering why I'd see the ones with a big 3+ inch tip, but the actual "outlet" (inside the tip) was only 2" or so... Much clearer.

When you say the tip isn't large, you're not referring to the "Shoulder-Mounted Grapefruit-Slinger", are you?:D

My old 94 Civic Si had a Mugen catback system (ordered from a good friend at King Motorsports - his job was translating their catalog text from Japanese to English). That thing sounded so nice. 3" tip, but no raspiness or fart - just throaty growl. Most people said it sounded like a domestic V8. Loved that sound, hate the sound of most others I've heard.

[I H8 UR DSM]

that shoulder mounted muffler is from Yashio Factory, prob the best regaurded, and my favorite, all time tuning shop in japan for silvias........everyone should know Yashio Factory : )

but dont worry hitman, ill look into installing LED's on muffler tips for you...lol....j/p....one thing i can tell you and guarantee, is there will be no rice found at rollhard. its a pure performance shop, and if you notice, you will not see any Altezza's, fartpipes, led's, winshield lights, badges, etc anywhere on the website, and if you called to order, it would not be possible....one think i am proud of eloy for is not having any of that stuff you would consider ricey, and doesnt sell to that market.

[AZhitman]

Cool - I checked out the site, it's real nice.

Right on - looks like we both learned a thing or two... Keep my dual inlet/outlet muffler question for my Q in mind...

Later brotha.

[240SXy]

Sky,I had an Ractive muffler on my Integra and it was cool. It wasn't too loud and actually gave a deep tone to that 1.6L DOHC. So I think it would be fine for a 240.

[Uncool]

Well, just when the tone of my car couldn't get worse(My muffler was rattling like crazy), I am surprised. The other day, after I wake up, my dad tells me "Hey, I had your muffler and catalytic converter replaced." He had the muffler replaced with one just like the stock one and the cat with a test pipe. My car's tone is an embarrassment. It's loud and raspy and it pops like a redneck's truuck with the pipes cut off. I find myself driving slower because I am ashamed of the sound when I give it gas. Please help me out here. What is the problem? The test pipe? The muffler? Also, I notice a major loss of low end torque.. Should this be expected, maybe because of less back pressure? And advice will be appreciated. Thanks guys!