Mr2 Turbo vs 240/SILVIA

[bretts15mr2]

Dori Dori.I don't know why you are trashtalking miatas.They are pretty good cars.I agree they are chiky, and they lack the power of the hondas,nissans,and toyotas ,but they are still solid handling cars from the factory.

[Dori Dori]

Bah. I gave miata's credit where it's due...they are excellent auto-x cars; no doubt about it. But we're talking about track cars, and in the world of track cars, the longer the better. And long is something the miata is not. If the tail steps out the slightest bit at high speeds in any short wheelbase car, you better cross your fingers and pray, but chances are it's already too late.

fogleroller, unless you totally re-engineer the rear suspension of the MR2, you will always be dealing with a strut based setup. The 240's rear suspension is much, much more advanced IMO...upper and lower control arms, one foward link and rear link. At least you have both.

[goldollar]

Snap oversteer is mainly in cars where the engin is in the back of the car. miatas dont get snap oversteer. if anything the lose traction and the rear end comes out, but that can happen to any rear wheel drive car if you push to hard. the reason why the mr2 has a problem with snap oversteer is because of the engin configuration and suspension. what happens is, your driving the car really fast you take your foot off the gas and the engin buckles and your rear end decides to dance, or you take a turn to fast and engin buckles and rear end dances. it has nothing to do with wheel base.

p.s dont flame on me because i am a noobie, i know what i am talking about, my cousin drives a turbo mr2. and he has experienced snap oversteer with me in it

[fogleroller]

At least you have both.

:ylsuper Hell yeah. I am finding that there a several people with both 240sx and MR2. They are very good cars!

[FinalDrive]

:ylsuper Hell yeah. I am finding that there a several people with both 240sx and MR2. They are very good cars!

I hope to be in that group soon! Just looking for a s13 with a bad engine

[Dori Dori]

Snap oversteer is mainly in cars where the engin is in the back of the car. miatas dont get snap oversteer. if anything the lose traction and the rear end comes out, but that can happen to any rear wheel drive car if you push to hard. the reason why the mr2 has a problem with snap oversteer is because of the engin configuration and suspension. what happens is, your driving the car really fast you take your foot off the gas and the engin buckles and your rear end decides to dance, or you take a turn to fast and engin buckles and rear end dances. it has nothing to do with wheel base.

p.s dont flame on me because i am a noobie, i know what i am talking about, my cousin drives a turbo mr2. and he has experienced snap oversteer with me in it

You are 100% wrong about the snap oversteer issue. Any car; FWD, RWD, or AWD can experiance it...not just MR2's.:rolleyes Snap oversteer is not just oversteer, it's an uncontrollable, unexpected oversteer that happens so fast, that by the time you realize what just happened, it's already too late. Yes it does have to do with wheelbase. The shorter your wheelbase, the less high speed turning stability you have and the more likely it is to happen. Eeven at low speeds, a simple overcorrection can lead to disaster in short wheelbased cars. It's just more likely to happen in an MR2 b/c of design. Do a search for snap oversteer and miata or s2000 and you'll see. Now you can tell your cousin that he's not alone.

[GodzillaFan]

miatas are great cars for road racing. snap oversteer can be controlled by tuning of the differental and sway bars. A short wheelbase car is affected more by front - rear weight transfer, but they are also more responsive. when it comes down to it, i would rather have a short wheelbase car for any kind of racing. a rear engined car may have a tendency to snap oversteer more, just because the heavier rear end will reach its limit of traction more easily, but this too can be controlled by the suspension tuning and the DRIVER.

[GodzillaFan]

Quote »p.s dont flame on me because i am a noobie, i know what i am talking about, my cousin drives a turbo mr2. and he has experienced snap oversteer with me in it [/quote]

I experienced snap oversteer in a stock 240, with just a VLSD, does that mean long wheelbase, front engine RWD cars are likely to snap oversteer too?

[Dori Dori]

GodzillaFan, you are being rediculous. By your logic, a Miata with enough power and brakes can be just as good on a road course as an Audi R8. Come on...short wheelbase cars are always worse for high speed handling. What good will responsiveness do for you when you are uncontrollably spinning into a wall at 100+mph. Nothing. That kind of responsiveness is good for what I gave the Miata credit for...auto-x.

[Dori Dori]

I experienced snap oversteer in a stock 240, with just a VLSD, does that mean long wheelbase, front engine RWD cars are likely to snap oversteer too?

Any car can experiance snap oversteer. Some are more likely to do so than others.

[toy turbo 2]

1. I'm not going to fight w/ you about a vehicles weight distribution and which is better. The fact is that every race team and every driver has a different view on this. Some people like more rear bias, some people like 50/50, and sadly some people like front bias. But I will say this...the car world calls a 50/50 balanced car 'ideal weight distribution' for a reason.

2. Miata's suck. They are good for females, auto-x, and nothing more. They have a short wheelbase too, hence their lack of high speed stability.

3. An elise weighs 1775lbs. Magazine tests are very bias to smaller/lighter cars, so please don't try to convince me a lotus handles better than a Ferrari b/c of it's weight distribution (which is not 40/60 btw...an elise is even more rear bias than that).

4. I mentioned the radiator in the Ferrari b/c the F355 (the predecessor to the 360) had the radiator in the rear and Ferrari purposely placed it in the front of the car (of the 360) to get closer to a 50/50 weight distribution. Hmm, wonder why.

50/50 makes cars more predictable, that is why it is done. if all 4 wheels turn then 50/50 would be perfect. it grips well and is predictable but with 40/60 or near there you have a little higher ability to go faster, especialyl with changing speeds. the car world your talking about is the consumer car world and they favor cars very equally set up. most people do not run as hard into the corners or worry about getting onto it at the very earliest.

and miata's really don't suck. and i can tell you at 100 they are not unstable cars, in fact they are no less stable then my mr2 was and it was only really comfortable over 40mph. they aren't one of the most revered cheap sports cars for no reason.

lightweight is the single most important part of any car. it is the only change that will help every performance characteristic.

Ferrari's handle really well but they compensate weight to make their cars nicer in side. they are also dealing with cars which can put much more into everything because the price tag is much higher. go and watch lotus elise's on tracks with much faster cars. the measily 190hp versions can keep up with many much faster cars.

after driving the mr2 and 240sx, even with the much more advanced suspension set up, equal weights and even with less horsepower, the 240sx is more prone to kicking out the back end when you get on the gas or brake deep into a corner. the mr2 is a much more attention seeking car that rewards you for driving well while the 240sx is a little easier car to drive, both of these cars are really similar in most other things.

i've owned both and can say the 240sx is much easier to drive fast and is more comfortable for driving around but the mr2 is much more capable when it comes to all out driving.

[toy turbo 2]

:ylsuper Hell yeah. I am finding that there a several people with both 240sx and MR2. They are very good cars!

as soon as i can afford it i'll be getting a new mr2, probably wen i am further and school and probably married.

both are incredible cars, they really are the best of both worlds.

i miss my mr2

[toy turbo 2]

GodzillaFan, you are being rediculous. By your logic, a Miata with enough power and brakes can be just as good on a road course as an Audi R8. Come on...short wheelbase cars are always worse for high speed handling. What good will responsiveness do for you when you are uncontrollably spinning into a wall at 100+mph. Nothing. That kind of responsiveness is good for what I gave the Miata credit for...auto-x.

he would be right in that assumption.

you tend to favor safety over all out performance it seems.

[Dori Dori]

WHAT! Now that I know what I am dealing with, I can feel comfortable leaving this argument with a good laugh.:bshake

[RobDET]

havn't read all the posts but...

They fixed the MR2 suspension in 93 and the MR2 has a lower polar moment of inertia whitch means it changes directions more quickly given the same forces acting apon it.

I think a strong turbo'd MKI (AW11) MR would be quicker on a roadcourse than either the SW20 or the S13

[I H8 UR DSM]

we have both....http://www.rollhard.com

[edisapimp]

Im interpreting it as "ice racing"...so im going to go with the Galant VR4.

JESSERPI

**siren** ****head alert **siren**

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[Sircnay]

Yes I owned both and MR2 and am now currently owning a RPS13 with an SR20DET.

Pros for the MR2: *hugged corners much better than the 240*chick magnet*More responsive*Better traction especially with wider tires in the back*Will and has been mistaken for a ferarri

Cons for the MR2: *Took a while to learn how to drive it effectively*Can become tail-happy until you learn how to drive it*Regular maintenance is a bish, you have to stradle the trunk if you're not tall enough to reach over*Can't fool around in the MR2 comfortably especially with the center console in the way, trust me.

Pros for the 240sx:*More predictable around the corners*Better lower end torque*More practical*Easier to learn*Slightly more responsive to mods*Fooling around is easier with a backseat.

Cons for the 240sx:*More tail happy than the MR2, but then again I haven't driven the 240sx as long.*Drifting isn't always the fastest way around the corner*NOT a chick magnet, until I do a little body play*Doesn't grip as well as the MR2

So what's my opinion? Buy the MR2 to grab the chick and then take her out with the 240sx. wait, racing? Umm... I don't know flip a coin. They're both great.

Oh, and yes an MKI with a 3sgte would beat both of these cars, because the MKI has a much much better power to weight ratio. In fact, on the MR2 boards, it's pretty much known that the MKI is a better handler than the MKII or the MKIII.

[ItzGenX]

MR2 seems too cramped inside for my tastes, but it is a very great car. Like all cars, it requires a little of getting used to.

[hadokenny]

*Will and has been mistaken for a ferarri

o yes i agree with u on that

[Sircnay]

it would seem like that but the MR2 feels juuuust right when sitting in there. it feels almost the same as it does in the 240 as it did in the MR2.

oh and that custom wide-body... mmmmmmm yummy.

One of the best things was when people thought I was driving a Ferarri at the age of 16.