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Sircnay
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Cut and paste from the MR2oc boards, makes me wish i still had mine :( :

Ultimate Street Car Challenge--Results! First of all, I must say that this was the easiest race event I have ever attended. We relaxed, had a great time and only got dirty when we wanted to. I met some very talented tuners and no less than 200 very nice people.

My team and myself arrived at 7:15am at the K&N Engineering facility in Riverside CA on June 3rd, 2004 to embark on an adventure that we will not soon forget. We pulled in, everyone had their duties in hand and proceeded to do the final detail on the car. Twenty minutes later, we unloaded the spotless car off the trailer and parked it where we were instructed. Once checked in and unloaded, we visited with everyone who was not too busy and tried to get a feel of how the day would wrap up. Matt’s Supra parked next to our trailer. The car looked good, clean and ready to compete. Same story with the Skyline. At this point, I figured I was in for a 5th place finish right after the Skyline, supra, Sparco and Buschur Evo VIII cars.

About 9:00am, the drivers meeting was called. They explained how the event would run and announced the points that had already been won for base price. I ended up with 2nd place against the turbo Miata. At that point, they announced that they were ready to start the competition with the dyno. I quickly offered to run first since I was 100% ready and wanted a chance at the coolest air to put down my numbers. To my surprise, I put down 441hp, 448tq. This would ultimately get me a solid 4th place after the skyline, supra and to my surprise, the HPA R32 Volkswagen! I scored 2nd place in the overall power under the curve, second only to the Supra.

At this point, I realized that I had overlooked a very stock looking car that had some serious engineering talent behind it. Since this whole competition was a good portion about the driver, I decided to just leave the car alone and not touch it. I had completed tuning earlier that week and made myself a deal to not touch it for the whole event. I chased down granny and the guy doing drivability evaluations. After these evaluations, the car show judges checked out the car and ranked it 2nd against the Sparco Evo. Needless to say, I was very pleased as I felt all the other cars attending were nearly equal in the show. The day unfolded with no unusual activity, everything going as planned we had a drivers meeting and were updated on the current points spread. Fuel economy wrapped up the day and we proceeded to top off the tank and seal the fuel caps. Roughly 71 miles later, I turned in a solid 43mpg. My next nearest competitor was around 30mpg. The Miata should have won, but he drove an extra 20 miles due to being lost…

Friday, we met at the drag strip at LACR and started the drivers meeting about 9am. We were explained the details and had a couple of practice launches to test everything. Drag race shook down with me being in 4th place for the ¼ ET and a clear first in the 20-100mph. ET’s were about 1 second slow per the fastest car that was on his home track. I guess the testing equipment doesn’t’ measure the distance exactly with just the radar gun. *shrug* I’ll sort that out in the next couple of weeks at the local track. Braking test, 60-0 I scored 99.29’. I’m still waiting to see if this is a Sport Compact Car record or not. They think it’s tied with last year’s viper, or very close. We’ll see. At this point, we review scores again. Everyone, including me, was totally stumped by the numbers thus far. We eat lunch and head to The Streets at Willow Springs. 1.021 on the skid pad leaves me with an acceptable place in the rankings. We then finish the road course and gross display of Horsepower.

Points are scored, event is over, we take our last photos and head to the awards banquet. I wont’ reveal the scores of the whole contest, but I ended up with the following places:

Base Price: 2ndShow: 2ndPeak HP: 4thUnder the curve HP: 2ndGranny: 4rdDriveability 3rd Guru 4th Emissions: 5thFuel Economy 1stDrag Race: 4th20-100: 1stBraking test: 99.29’ 1st place JSkidpad: 3rd place tieGross display of HP, 1st place tie: Road track: Not sure, I didn’t’ ask. I putted around the course with the AC on and just went for a nice leisurely drive J

Okay, so I’m sure you are all now asking.. Where does this leave you overall? Since I really don’t’ like to toot my own horn, I’ll quote Josh (SCC guy in charge of organizing this). I quote Josh: “Just so you guys know, you got your asses kicked by a home built 13 year old car. Brad could have gone home and not finished after LACR and still won the contest.”

I was awarded 1200 points total for this event. From my understanding this is the highest number of points accumulated by one car in this contest thus far. 2nd place was 238pts shy of my score. (1525 total available) 2nd through 7th place was separated by 20pts. Needless to say, the road course competition was very entertaining.

Thank you to all of those of you who have helped. I hope I do not miss anyone, as I’ve been up over 30 hours right now. but here goes:

My team:Sam AndersonCasey RaymanElizabeth Bedell (my wife)

My sponsors:USAToyotaParts.comNitrous ExpressStoid EnginesWheels AmericaAlamo AutosportsKO RacingRacing Strong MotorsportsPro Tape SignsKenxRandy NollRedTunaAmber SticeGary Shuhart http://www.trackdogracing.com for the use of the trailer

Mike R. (for offering me a second home this week)Jim K. (For Driving to the track to drive/instruct if the contest was close)

Some random photos of the event are here:









MR2's rock your world.


silkk
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wow thats nice burn out

crzycav86
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Wow. So SCC already did the USCC for 2005?

Anyway, good job mr2.

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If I didn't have a 240 it would be a 2nd gen mr2

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mr2's are very sweet, my friend has one. They are very deadly cars stock and modded. And that K&N plant he talks about is like 8 miles away from my house. I never knew about all this! There was a skyline less than 10 miles from my house and I didn't even know!

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My brother showed me that from the MR2OC boards. He sure was happy that a MR2 won! He owns a 91 MR2 Turbo, for those that didn't know. And it is one cool Two...

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I love those.

Came VERY close to buying one in 94...

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damnit sircnay...

your sig rocks, not quite the P210, but man it rocks...

BuudWeizErr
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blah blah blah... mr2 owners seem to think that their cars are gods gift.

i hate mr2's.

it's too bad too because the 3SGTE is an AWESOME engine. I'd say it's slightly better than an SR20 actually. Too bad toyota was soooo STUPID as to put it in the trunk of one car and attached to an awd drivetrain of another.

Sircnay
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Uhhh.... you do realize that the MR2 outhandles the 240 on any given day correct? And it's because of the engine set-up. If anything the 240 has the engine in the wrong place.

MR setup > Everyother setup

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sultan
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v6 + supercharger + Nitrous + water/alky injection = badass

Sircnay
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divide that equation by MR setup and it'll raise the bar from being Badass to Ridiculously ridiculous.

elbles
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The only negative about the MR2 is the suspension setup: MacPherson struts all around, IIRC . . . multilinks rule. :-) All kidding aside, a MR car can handle amazingly . . . but MacPherson struts all around help to hurt it.

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so many variables. its really hard to say which car handles better between the mr2 and the 240. if mr was all that the supra would have had it right? if toyota believed in it that much anyway. i like mr but you can not give too much faith to one aspect of car design. who here thinks they have the driving skills to properly use a low polar moment of inertia? i could not fully utilize it. in competition mr does not "always" beat fr or even ff.

Sircnay
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I have the skills! I used to own one and learned the limits... the hard way. =)

The MR setup is ULTRA SUPER unforgiving. And I'm just bias anyways towards the MR2 because I love it that much.

MainEvent212
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yeah, the MR2 is a crazy snap-oversteer machine

and technically isnt it ALMOST Rear engine? mid engine is classified as between the front and rear wheels...the 350z is a mid engined vehicle...id rather have a 240 then MR2

Sircnay
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No the engine is fore of the rear axles, still kind of on top of it, but still ahead of it. It's weird. The gas tank is directly in the middle though, it's cool!

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oh i know..i've worked on a turbo MR2 before..it's defiantely a neat car...i've seen more practical though...like the 240sx...

the only reason i say this is because you can get nearly the same performance, but w/ less work...

cooling comes to mind...as does the fact that you gotta be a magician to get ur hands on anything inside the engien bay

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Practical? Who cares about practical when you're whipping around a corner pushing the limits of physics? :-) Plus, a front-mounted radiator doesn't hurt anything at all . . . easy to keep cool.

Sircnay
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I'm young and this is the only time frame I have for a 2-seater car until I'm like 23, 24. I don't want to think about practicality and such.

elballoonrat
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http://www.we-todd-did-racing....D.jpg

heres my mr2, im sorry you guys think its slow and a piece of crap.

elbles
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Nice MKI man . . . hardly think it's either slow or a piece of crap, it's pretty much a go-kart on wheels compared to the 240. Compared to my dream car (Lotus Elise) though . . . ;-)

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Quote »Uhhh.... you do realize that the MR2 outhandles the 240 on any given day correct? And it's because of the engine set-up. If anything the 240 has the engine in the wrong place.[/quote]

Wrong,

MR2 = Oversteers14 240sx = Balanced

Can't argue against facts!

Anyway, MR2s are ugly

BuudWeizErr
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Sircnay wrote:Uhhh.... you do realize that the MR2 outhandles the 240 on any given day correct? And it's because of the engine set-up. If anything the 240 has the engine in the wrong place.

MR setup > Everyother setup


nah.

i've driven mr2. stock for stock, i'll take my s13 any day. and an s14 would be even better. modified is a whole other story, but i'll still take my s13.

and i drift, thats all i care about anyways. mr2 doesn't drift, it spins.

in closing, 240 > mr2, that is all.

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it depends on which car is in better condition on which Id take. I like them both. And the MR2 has a turbo option availible stock. Thats a plus over the 240sx anyday.

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ChunkiDori wrote:blah blah blah... mr2 owners seem to think that their cars are gods gift.

i hate mr2's.

it's too bad too because the 3SGTE is an AWESOME engine. I'd say it's slightly better than an SR20 actually. Too bad toyota was soooo STUPID as to put it in the trunk of one car and attached to an awd drivetrain of another.


yeah. obviously the mid-engine, rwd turbo setup is a bad idea, from square one.

It's also too bad the SR can't put out 750+ whp, since, you know, they actually put it in the "right" place.

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wound3S wrote:yeah. obviously the mid-engine, rwd turbo setup is a bad idea, from square one.

It's also too bad the SR can't put out 750+ whp, since, you know, they actually put it in the "right" place.


:confused:

i'm pretty sure someone in japan has made 750+ on SR's if we in the US can do 550 on stock bottom ends. I love the 3SGTE and all, but it and the SR are pretty close performance wise.

BuudWeizErr
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I turned up an interesting tidbit of info on another forum about that MR2.

It's slightly less than stock.... motored. It has a supercharged V6 Solara under the 'trunk' hahaha. He got rid of the only good thing about MR2's. what a shame.



I still stand behind S chassis >>>>> MR2.

Sircnay
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The 3sgte and the SR20 both have enough pro's and con's about each engine to make them roughly equal.

MR is theoretically much more sound than FR setup for most cases... I mean Ferarri doesn't just put it in the middle for no reason. Most MR ferarris have something around 40/60 weight distribution. This makes for more oversteer. But it's not the oversteer that makes everything nice and dandy, rather it's the ability to keep on the gas longer and brake later while in the corners. In a corner in an MR setup you don't brake (a lot) you keep on the gas to keep the weight on those rear tires. Launching in an MR setup is the second best next to AWD.

And drifting... isn't drifting an oversteering sport? Why wouldn't you want a car that already oversteers?

Sircnay
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Don't get me wrong though, the s-chassis is wonderful. That's why I bought it. It's why I own it. BUt stock for stock the MR2 will outdo the 240sx in its best trim.


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