Moved: Drifting with Helical LSD?

[Joe]

You have evidentially Never in you life set up Any type of race car suspension before........I have, everything from road race cars to oval dirt cars.Pick up any rudimentary book on car set-up, and it will tell you exactly what you need to do to 'loosen a car (make the back end slide more), and it will be exactly what I suggested.

evidentally book smarts dont equal track smarts.

thats the most absurd car setup ive ever heard in my life and personally, i dont think you should ever tell anyone else to do that again. its completley wrong and to put it bluntly; ignorant.

you have obviously never PROPERLEY set up a car for drifting. as i said before drifting is 90% driver 10% setup. you should never have to do retarded things to a car to get it to drift (STUPID spring rates, retarded tire combos, coilovers in the rear?). ever. a properley built TRACK car (road racing) will drift just fine with the proper driver and some fine tuning.

[nismofly]

even for circuit those rates dont work on a 240

not only is that not a drift car setup, its not an anything setup for an s chassis, period

the guy i know with the highest rates in ITA is running 12 kg/mm front and 10.5 rear, he only uses those on like 2 tracks because the others are too rough for those rates, and hes even thinking about backing off for the smooth tracks

[Joe]

absolutley

those rates are completley wrong. the highest ive even seen available off the shelf is a 14/12 but ive never seen anyone actually use them because theres just no point.

[importer]

Well, I guess you have talked to people in Japan the way I do, and you have sold over a million $$ of JDM performance parts like I have, and you have spent decades making cars go fast for other people like I have...........

Here is a picture of a JIC Drift spring that I took off the rear of a S13 set of coil-overs.It is 15k. I also have an identical set of 16K springs.Note that the springs are welded to the seats.This is to hold the whole set together under extreme cornering conditions, and it also acts as a stronger sway bar because it keeps the inside shock from over extending.

Like I say, you people have not even started to understand drifting..........New-bees, yes - that is obvious !!

[importer]

An ITA car is for ROAD RACE, not Drifting !!

[importer]

a properley built TRACK car (road racing) will drift just fine with the proper driver and some fine tuning.

Yeah, and a proper driver in a drift car will run circles around him...........

[Red coupe]

yeah dude I get that with retarded rear rates the car will oversteer....but that is just hindering the potential of one side of the car to make up for a driver who can get a car to slide on their own...Ive had the oppertunity to speak breafly with a few profetional drifts/car owners, they all were searching to maximise the cars grip to provide control, and if anything usualy had a car that would understeer slightly in normal driving...

[dousan_pg]

Well, I guess you have talked to people in Japan the way I do, and you have sold over a million $$ of JDM performance parts like I have, and you have spent decades making cars go fast for other people like I have...........

Here is a picture of a JIC Drift spring that I took off the rear of a S13 set of coil-overs.It is 15k. I also have an identical set of 16K springs.Note that the springs are welded to the seats.This is to hold the whole set together under extreme cornering conditions, and it also acts as a stronger sway bar because it keeps the inside shock from over extending.

Like I say, you people have not even started to understand drifting..........New-bees, yes - that is obvious !!

you are so clueless it is simply amazingive been to japan. my friends drive d1gp, adm and bm hai (rip)their cars are NOTHING like eyours. i have many friends who drift from anywhere from 4-16 years and there cars are NOTHING like that.you dont know anything YOU are cluelessYOU are newbYOU THINK, but you dont KNOW.

stop spreading your ridiculous and incorrect information.

go back to selling, apparently thats all you are good at, because setting up drift cars is certainly something you DONT KNOW.

[Joe]

dousan said it. i also know people who run professionally (here) and their setups are nothing like that. and ill vouch for the fact dousan knows people everywhere lol

you are clueless. stop spreading this BS around. you know nothing about setting up a drift car.

[nismofly]

this thread is hilarious

An ITA car is for ROAD RACE, not Drifting !!

gee i didnt know that, ill have to keep that in mind next time i go to the track...

is world challenge road racing too? because ill have to tell all the guys i know running that, just in case

[steve s14]

wow, this thread is getting rediculous.obviously, dousan_pg and kamin are not amateurs when it comes to drifting and most likely grip driving.i have to agree and add that a lot of the stuff that importer is saying is just plain retarded.come on now, are you trying to convince us that a helical is better than a clutch type or a spool/ welded diff for drift? lol.

[nismofly]

actually i think he said the type of lsd didnt matter

im not even a drifter, so im not going to be much help in this thread, but i am a road racer that has worked on many scca cars of different classes, i worked on a grand am cup car once, and i know a number of people in both grand am and world challenge

i was just laughing at importer's advice, from personal experience and reading stuff from drifters its obvious how wrong he is

[McRussellPants]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Jesus Christ, I could have talked for days about how much San Antonio and the people that live there suck but one post from importer sums it up pretty well - They're all stupid peices of ****.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[zguy]

Jesus Christ, I could have talked for days about how much San Antonio and the people that live there suck but one post from importer sums it up pretty well - They're all stupid peices of ****.

now, now - what you tryin to say? lol, you're probably right for the most part. But there are exactly 3 dedicated drifters in San Antonio who regularly attend events, and we all work in the same office. They are me, Aaron, and Jaime. Anyone else who claims to be an experienced, "hardcore" drifter from San Antonio is absolutely full of ****. I have no freakin clue who this IMPORTER guy is, and that's all that needs to be said of him and his "experience".

[koukicody]

does anyone know for sure if thats a JIC spring??? or if its 15k??? someone should contact JIC and find out if this is BS

[240TweakerNewbee]

I only have experience with the NISMO 1.5way mechanical LSD. I dropped on of those in my old diff housing and its very nice, but now I wished I had changed my pinion out too. Its a little sloppy and the breakaway torque at 70lbs is a little rough on tires for normal driving... but then who cares about tires when your talking about drifting

[Kenrik]

Dude... did this guy seriously say run NO front sway bar??

[Red coupe]

Ive heard others say/do that at least....lol Id say outa his info that might be the best tip

[Kenrik]

A "perfect" drift car is nutrual in that it does not understeer or oversteer to much and is responsive to the drivers inputs.

You want to run THE SAME tires front/back and you want them to be good tires.. it helps make the car more predictable. The only reason to run crap tires in the rear is if you can't afford anything else...

(still depends on driver prefrence)

[WidebodyZ]

And to think I was missing out on this thread! Dirty-D you bastage, you should have told me! Hahaha! Red coupe, I agree with your statement from that "other" thread, but i am in full agreement with Dirty-D and Kamin on the whole HLSD crap, and yes, none of us use one. As far as the ideal set-up, there is none. Each driver and car has a different set-up which they like for their driving style. The same set-up on Dirty-D's S14 would be garbage on my Z32...and vise versa. We also have different driving styles. I can't count how many times I changed things around to get the right feel for the suspension set-up I wanted. In fact I wasted a whole day messing with my rear toe settings to get the right balance of balancing straightline and control. There's SO many factors involved. Running the same tires front and rear? It doesn't work for everyone and depends on your skill level. But the stickier the better for me since I have far more weight to throw around need a good level of traction at speed. Beginners can use crappier tires because they are getting used to braking traction and in most cases have limited power. I could go on forever about this...

[kamikazi]

I think i just read the stupidest **** ever to be put on a forum.

I perfer just alittle understeer but thats my prefrence. I have been racing for years and drifting before i even knew what it was. I have either been in a garage or at a race track since i can remember and that is some of the most ubsurd **** i have ever heard. its all about balance and technique not masive springs and ****y tires.

O and alot of good drifters perfer a roadcourse sutup.

[Red coupe]

Yeah I wasn't saying anythig about you specificaly widebody, just that some one can do the wrong thing for a long time...I dont agree with your guy's style choices, but then again I like the first gen MR-2 better so what do I know

Yeah I was supprised at first when all the serious drifters I talked to were trying for more of a racing set up, and were talking about getting "more grip" and what not, but it makes sense. Drifting should come from the drivers inputs not the compleat lack of grip one side of the car has.

[importer]

because of the OBX helical LSD which doesn't cost as much as Quaife.

I can't beleive anyone would even consider putting a chinese diff in their car......The honda boys can't even get them to hold up, what the hell is a SR20, or a KA going to do to one??

The S15 helical is a proven product, and half the cost of a OBX.

[naed240sx]

I can't beleive anyone would even consider putting a chinese diff in their car......The honda boys can't even get them to hold up, what the hell is a SR20, or a KA going to do to one??

The S15 helical is a proven product, and half the cost of a OBX.

I've never heard of a single instance of an obx hlsd breaking. I have heard of axles getting stuck in them, and axles breaking, but never the diff itself.

I still reccomend the s15 diff over it though.

[Red coupe]

I've never heard of a single instance of an obx hlsd breaking. I have heard of axles getting stuck in them, and axles breaking, but never the diff itself.

I still reccomend the s15 diff over it though.

on top of that most modified hondas that are snapping these things are puttin out quite a bit more power then a KA....

But then again how could you not respect the depth of this guys knowlage!

[marshun]

the only way i could explain a helical is that its better than a crap *** vlsd (yeah i said it. anyone who knows better will tell the same thing). and not as good as a clutch. a helical would be the happy medium.

my opinion

[Red coupe]

Im not a drifter at all but I do have a HLSD in my car now...It spins both tires pretty good in a drift, I would agree that having the wheels locked together would probably be a pluss for drifting but I can see the Helical being that bad an option.

[DRFT_DMN]

I got a real quick ?. I own a 89' 240SX Coupe, im new to the drifting scene, i was wondering what kind of LSD i should use, its an everyday driver, and i drift just everynight...lol. So my ? is what LSD do you prefer that I use to cope with my everyday driving to and from school, as well as everynight drifting?

[URAS]

Drift is all about GRIP, the more the better.... the beter the driver the more grip you dial in simple as that.

Drift + mechanical diff is the only way to go. helical are unpredictable.

[Red coupe]

But helicals adjust traction to each tire individuality, making more efficient use of both tires, rather then locking the Axel and forcing them to rotate the same speed sacrificing some of the grip of one tire to keep power going to the other.

So your two comments directly contradict each other?

Still I think the loss in grip is countered by a more constant condition durring the drift.