More colossal failure from a wannabe importer....

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drifttuners wrote:Kit cars have to be made of sheet metal and fiberglass components to qualify as a kit.
Show me anywhere in the federal documentation of a clear definition of what a kit car is. Show me. I have looked. Been looking.

No where in the CFR or any other regulations does it say a kit car has to have fiberglass and "sheet metal".

Man you always open your mouth up just wide enough to put your foot into.


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drifttuners wrote:the reassembly process and branding then as a kit is illegal.

Claiming to remanufacture these JDM cars is nothing but words used to mislead there readers/customers.

You can't have a kit car where the shell or any other major components were originally manufactured by an auto manufacture in this case Nissan etc..

There simply reassembling already manufactured Nissan parts, there not making their own parts like the shell, fenders, frame etc…
Nothing new there - I said that MONTHS ago.

Generic definitions:

- means a unique vehicle or a replica of any vehicle, the production volume of which is less than 500 vehicles per year.massmodule.massrecert.com/glossary.htm

- Also referred to as “Replica” cars if they are replicating a vehicle that was or is produced by a car manufacturer. ...http://www.buy-and-sell-car-se....html

- A kit car is an automobile that is available in kit form, i.e. you buy a set of parts that you have to assemble yourself. ...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit car

Where Kaizo screws the pooch is here, per the NHTSA: A VIN number is ONLY used for a rolling vehicle with a powerplant. A kit without a powerplant is considered an assemblage of parts, until it is rolling and has an engine at which time it is a "mechanically driven vehicle." A "vehicle" is not a "vehicle" without a drivetrain, because it has no means of locomotion. Therefore, a Vehicle Identification Number would be imprudent and inappropriate. Unless you are manufacturing a rolling powered vehicle, you cannot assign anything a VIN number. Period.

A kit car is a car that was never mass-produced. Sure, there are those who have gotten away with it, so if that's your argument, save it. Not interested. NHTSA probably doesn't give a damn.

But any and all of these companies have run afoul of one or more technical aspects of Federal law, and that's why we shine a bright light on them.

Big thanks to Sean for all his help.

I look forward to the day when one of to things happens:

- Kids get motivated to build their own damn car that'll outperform a Skyline so we can cool it with the faux importers at every turn...

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- SEMA and other lobbying organizations gets the ridiculous and short-sighted restrictions against importation relaxed or abolished so that vehicles can be imported freely without having to rely on some money-hungry shysters.


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Read this and understand it.

I think all the importation laws and restrictions are bull-5hit. However they are the laws, and we have to be aware of them and follow them. I didn't make them, but when I was importing cars on a large scale, I had to adhere to them. Heres some things to ponder.

1) Over 25 years, DOT wise, you are allowed to import any car. Once its this old- magically they become ok to drive

2) There is a "show or display" exemption that allows you to bring in certain cars without meeting US FMVSS.

3) Crash testing- OEM's self certify. RI's had to prove compliance.

4) The DOT- OVSC has very little to no control over what a DMV will register. Tons, and tons of cars get in though Florida. Its no joke. They will register anything. It was the same way back in 1999, the same in nearly 2009.

The rules are the rules, and we have to follow them. We don't have to like them. There are other things that I could nitpick apart, but starts to really irritate me. Kinda like these DriftTuner punk kids. No nothings trying to throw around some information. 1/2 of which is correct , 1/2 they don't have any idea what they are saying. I know stuff about things Jeremy. I know about some of your customers, and things. I get emails. When that stuff needs to go public, it will. Handle your business - "scams".


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Hello, I haven't posted much on this forum but i have been reading it for a long time. I also have recently talked to shawn about what kaizo is doing and although i dont feel like they are 100% legal i do feel like it is the best option out there. I am in the process of getting a car from them and i will let yall know how it goes. Whether it goes good or i get screwed i will post up progress about the whole ordeal. Correct me if i am wrong but the law says you cant register a car as a kit car if it was ever mass produced and sold in the US ... at least thats what ive heard ... to me the key word there is US. A skyline never officialy had a vin in the us so it seems like one of the loop holes. Also i dont understand why DriftTuners is so adament about busting kaizos balls and every one elses ... sounds kinda childish. There are few people in the US that actually want to try and get one of these cars and thee are fewer that have them. I just figured why not help each other instead of bashing each other. If you really have a love for the car then companies should be sharing information and trying to find the best way to import them. I know companies want to make money and thats fine, i love making money, but my love of the skyline goes way past and dollar bill can. I am willing to share any information i have to any one who wants.

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Greed and selflishness! Every person I've talked to that has a Skyline always gives the run around on how they got it here without saying this is how I did it. That and seems drifttuners wants a MotoRex monopoly. Which is actually illegal itself.

But I to agree with DJ. I don't even have a Skyline, but get tired of always reading the fights. Who'd thought one car could cause such chaos within a group that is suppose to be supporting and love a company for what they have done for us.

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Yes, but you should notice the price of both companies. MotoRex tried selling them for an obnoxious price, knowing they're the only importer at the time people knew about.

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I don't follow this crap too much, but what I can say is.

Anybody who thinks they know more than SEAN does, they are a damn fool.

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InTheDark wrote:Yes, but you should notice the price of both companies. MotoRex tried selling them for an obnoxious price, knowing they're the only importer at the time people knew about.
Motorex actually did crash testing. Yes. They actually did. R & D to bring the cars into the country. That money, has to come from somewhere.

Also the costs to legalize each car were high. Motorex honestly didn't make much money off each car. They made a lot more money selling DVD's , and body kits, than they ever did selling GT-R's.
Modified by tyndago at 4:43 PM 12/10/2008

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I guess I can understand that.

Btw, I remember when I was younger, I saw your car entry in the Sport Compact Car for that one competition. Great work.

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drifttuners wrote:I recently was in contact with someone from Kaizo, they asked why I have there link on our website as a scam along with Official JDM. I told him that I have been working with the State Attorney General’s Office about their business activities along with others and that Official JDM is under investigation with our help.

Official JDM's website/business is now closed. What Kaizo are doing in terms of importing shells/parts is fine however the reassembly process and branding then as a kit is illegal. Claiming to remanufacture these JDM cars is nothing but words used to mislead there readers/customers.

You can't have a kit car where the shell or any other major components were originally manufactured by an auto manufacture in this case Nissan etc.. There simply reassembling already manufactured Nissan parts, there not making their own parts like the shell, fenders, frame etc…

Kit cars have to be made of sheet metal and fiberglass components to qualify as a kit. The fact of the matter is the cars are manufactured by an auto manufacture not a kit manufacture therefore is not a kit but simply manufactured auto parts from Nissan.

Hmmm I wonder if I buy a salvage car and rebuild it up again that I can call it a kit car instead of salvaged car therefore by passing the bad branded title to make read as a kit?? Don’t think so.

Anyways Kaizo’s website and business are being shut down soon based on information provided to the State Attorney General’s office along with our customer’s case of being scammed and out more money than I like to say...

Modified by drifttuners at 1:40 PM 12/8/2008
Actually business is flourishing as, even though haters are sad cause they can't get one, they are still legal regardless of what you say. If you still want to call it illegal fine, just wait for them to sue you for slander.

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What's that on your face?

Oh yeah, you're banned, troll.

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jaebo wrote:
Actually business is flourishing as, even though haters are sad cause they can't get one, they are still legal regardless of what you say. If you still want to call it illegal fine, just wait for them to sue you for slander.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

We have documented QUITE WELL Mr. Boddy's inconsistencies and inability to speak truthfully on this topic.

My attorney would laugh in his face.

What you fail to realize here is you're backin' the wrong horse. His lies and big talk are forever preserved here, electronically, and are irrefutable proof that the tale has changed every time Sean and I and others have called him out.

Hell, he even changed his website to remove the inaccuracies.

Sue us? Gimme a freakin' break, kid. ;rolleyes


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