Moderator While your at it…

[Altstatic2003]

Sorry everyone for this horrible thread. Just let it go away.


Modified by Altstatic2003 at 5:55 PM 3/23/2009

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

I don’t see why it’s wrong to talk about hand guns on a General Discussion forum. It’s not like people are being aggressive with the thread. It’s just a hobby for some people and I don’t see the harm in talking about it. For the people who have a problem with it they just shouldn’t read it. The title clearly states what is being talked about and its not like they are tricked into reading material that offends them. I have seen many different types of topics that I am sure some people might get offended by ("hot girls take pics of yourself standing by your car"), but I guess as long as there is an Altima in the background its ok. So if I start a thread "My gun on the hood of my Altima" will it be ok?Since it wrong to talk about anything other than Altima’s, even on a general discussion form, I think its only fair to get rid of every other none Altima related thread. Dont take this as me being an a**. I love this web site and do not want to get banned, but I strongly disagree with the removal of certain threads simply because 1 person might be UNreasonably offended.

P.S. I was going to try to only send this to the moderators but couldn't find out how.

the main problem is that today alot of people don't like guns even if its just pictures. But as yu stated it says it in the title so those who don't like it dont look. I like guns and my dad has a few of course hes a federal officier and he has a permit but thats besides the point.

[mcheddadi]

I don’t see why it’s wrong to talk about hand guns on a General Discussion forum. It’s not like people are being aggressive with the thread. It’s just a hobby for some people and I don’t see the harm in talking about it. For the people who have a problem with it they just shouldn’t read it. The title clearly states what is being talked about and its not like they are tricked into reading material that offends them. I have seen many different types of topics that I am sure some people might get offended by ("hot girls take pics of yourself standing by your car"), but I guess as long as there is an Altima in the background its ok. So if I start a thread "My gun on the hood of my Altima" will it be ok?Since it wrong to talk about anything other than Altima’s, even on a general discussion form, I think its only fair to get rid of every other none Altima related thread. Dont take this as me being an a**. I love this web site and do not want to get banned, but I strongly disagree with the removal of certain threads simply because 1 person might be UNreasonably offended.

P.S. I was going to try to only send this to the moderators but couldn't find out how.

i would normally agree but in this case I hate gun so I don't mind it haha lol

but seriously if you want to talk about guns go check the GENERAL forum of nico not just the general altima one. they have tons of gun thread

[mcheddadi]

btw the original thread has been moved here:zer...04470

[AZhitman]

No offense, but how about this:

How about letting the staff run this site the way they see fit.

There are issues with certain topics that the members here are unaware of, and behind-the-scenes issues that require managerial decisions that may or may not make sense to the general public.

I do appreciate your bringing it up, as well as the other poster who complained about the gun threads, but a better way to handle it would be to click on a Moderator's profile and email them off-board.

Thanks much!

[Alien_Tracker]

So is there a list somewhere of these certain topics so that we know what not to talk about. I would hate to unknowingly bring up a forbidden topic on here that was clearly labeled and make someone cry again.

[Altstatic2003]

No offense, but how about this:

How about letting the staff run this site the way they see fit.

There are issues with certain topics that the members here are unaware of, and behind-the-scenes issues that require managerial decisions that may or may not make sense to the general public.

I do appreciate your bringing it up, as well as the other poster who complained about the gun threads, but a better way to handle it would be to click on a Moderator's profile and email them off-board.

Thanks much!

No offense taken, I was just venting. I appreciate the honest answer and now that I know how to contact a moderator I will do so privately in the future if anything else were to come up.

[Altstatic2003]

btw the original thread has been moved here:zer...04470

Yeah thanks for the link. Nico is saved on my internet favorites and the link always brings me to the altima chat pages so I never really noticed there were threads beyond that.

[maxentropy]

Wait, I'm totally confused? Why was the gun thread moved? I can understand not discussing politics (which by the way is discussed here all the times in every forum here). By moderators or whoever moving the thread you are indicating very clearly political/personal beliefs and also indicating that biased/opinionated moderators or whoever can do what they like here.

I respect and love this place because it the admins are unbiased and am offended when something like this occurs.

And yes, the owner of the site can do what he wants, etc etc but still you are the owner of a widely known and well respected club and to move a thread such as this you indicate your ... well.. I said it above, won't repeat myself like most babbling idiots.

Just my two cents even though it seems to mean nothing to the owner of this site and club.

[Mr. Music]

....to move a thread such as this you indicate your ... well.. I said it above, won't repeat myself like most babbling idiots.

Just like AZHitman said, admins/mods have to make a "managerial decision" to try and keep the masses happy. I don't think that moving the thread has as much to do with personal views as it does with not wanting to have a bunch of disenchanted members complaining about the said thread's contents. Granted, some may might not like that the thread was moved, but it was only moved, not locked and not deleted. Either way, it still causes a stir, and the admins/mods are here to try and keep it to a minimum - whether they like what the thread is about or not.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

well is understandable to a point because not everyone likes it. Plus the way the government is right now ou cant expect them to want "bad" attention to come to a car forum. Im not saying its bad to talk about guns but you gotta understand that there are more precautions taken right now.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Fellas you need to calm down... Altstatic2003 you are one of the newer guys so ill cut you some slack about addressing moderators in public. (email me if you ever have any questions, im here for ya!)

[AZhitman]

I hate having to explain myself twice.

Certain terms of service of our contractual agreements with some of the companies who advertise with us prohibit ads appearing in conjunction with certain topics... p0rn, gamb|ing, weapons, etc.

I'd prefer to not have to justify every decision we have to make to the masses. There's a lot of 'em, and we've been doing this for 7 years - We're good at it.

Sit back and enjoy the forums.

[Alien_Tracker]

[PhEnoM78]well is understandable to a point because not everyone likes it.

No, it's not. I can respect the fact that someone might not like guns as I do, but the thread WAS clearly labeled. That is like picking up a gun magazine, looking through it and then complaining to someone about it. If you don't like them, don't look

PhEnoM78]Plus the way the government is right now ou cant expect them to want "bad" attention to come to a car forum.

People were only talking about firearms that they owned. I know a certain someone in D.C. wants to take away all our guns, but how could this bring bad attention to Nico.

PhEnoM78]Im not saying its bad to talk about guns but you gotta understand that there are more precautions taken right now.

What precautions? Taking away our 1st ammendment rights along with our 2nd ammendment rights. It was only a discussion about who had what and proudly showing it. No threats or implications were made to or about anyone.

[marlin29311]

What precautions? Taking away our 1st ammendment rights along with our 2nd ammendment rights. It was only a discussion about who had what and proudly showing it. No threats or implications were made to or about anyone.

Ummm...where are you losing rights? You don't have 1st ammendment rights on this forum - read the TOS.

If you're concerned about your right to own a firearm, discuss it in the politics forum.

I think Greg has been more than kind and has explained the rationale for this decision better than adequately.

[Alien_Tracker]

My post wasn't to you or greg.

[PHENOMenalVinyl]

No, it's not. I can respect the fact that someone might not like guns as I do, but the thread WAS clearly labeled. That is like picking up a gun magazine, looking through it and then complaining to someone about it. If you don't like them, don't look

People were only talking about firearms that they owned. I know a certain someone in D.C. wants to take away all our guns, but how could this bring bad attention to Nico.

What precautions? Taking away our 1st ammendment rights along with our 2nd ammendment rights. It was only a discussion about who had what and proudly showing it. No threats or implications were made to or about anyone.

1. I already agreed that if you dont want to look than dont but i also agree that it should be in general chat. It has nothing to do with altimas......

2. ok im not against guns so i dont know why you are ripping on me lol but as greg stated certain things can't be talked about and i guess this is one of those touchy subjects. And how doesnt it bing attention to NICO. Your talking about guns and on top of that what if one of these people don't have a permit like they state and they get into trouble bc of it.

3. lol as already stated you dont have those rights on this forum so yeah you dont have the 1st amendment anything lol

[Alien_Tracker]

1. It has nothing to do with altimas......

People talk about things other than Altimas on this forum, like the economy.

2. ok im not against guns so i dont know why you are ripping on me lol but as greg stated certain things can't be talked about and i guess this is one of those touchy subjects. And how doesnt it bing attention to NICO. Your talking about guns and on top of that what if one of these people don't have a permit like they state and they get into trouble bc of it.

I wasn't ripping on you. I was simply replying to your post. Grow some thicker skin. I understand that you live in New York, but do you need a permit to simply own a gun there? In the majority of the U.S., you don't. Most states only require you to have a permit if you want to carry concealed. If someone flaunts the fact that they carry or own a gun illegally, they deserve to get in trouble.

3. lol as already stated you dont have those rights on this forum so yeah you dont have the 1st amendment anything lol

I was refering to the U.S. when I was talking about the 1st Ammendment. Not this forum. Obviously, you and Marlin didn't get that. Maybe I didn't convey that clearly. My fault.

I'm not trying to get into a pi**ing match with you. I just don't agree with it.

[rjdmmfl1]

I hate having to explain myself twice.

Certain terms of service of our contractual agreements with some of the companies who advertise with us prohibit ads appearing in conjunction with certain topics... p0rn, gamb|ing, weapons, etc.

I'd prefer to not have to justify every decision we have to make to the masses. There's a lot of 'em, and we've been doing this for 7 years - We're good at it.

Sit back and enjoy the forums.

Greg, I don't think you have to explain decisions you make, however, I think this is one of those grey areas that even some more seasoned NICO users like myself were not clear on. As I stated in my last post on my gun thread, I have no issues following the rules, whatever you all decide. And I wouldn't try to tell you or the other admins how to run the site. The GENERAL thread in the Greater NICo forum allows for almost anything to be discussed. To my understanding, I thought that the General discussions thread in the Altima section was just like a mini version of the larger General discussions thread. And since guns have been discussed in the General thread, I just figured that it was acceptable in the Altima general discussions section also.

If this is not the case, and all future similar postings are to be in a specific section, say the "Great outdoors" section, then that's perfectly fine, and I think the members will be more than happy to follow those rules. I questioned where my thread went, but not in public, I spoke directly to one of the moderators, and simply inquired if I had done something wrong, and what happened to my particular thread. I too don't feel bringing these questions or concerns to light with a "what happened to my thread" thread is appropriate, especially since that's clearly forbidden as per the terms of use page we signed when we joined.

So, what is the final verdict Greg? Where should we take our Guns/knives/weapons threads in the future? This is still unclear as it is not specifically expressed in the terms of conduct, but by the looks of things, perhaps it should be in a similar way that rules regarding religion/politics are clearly stated under the terms of conduct. This may help prevent things like this from happeneing in the future when a new NICo member gets his a new home protection device, and starts another threa that causes controversy.

And as always, Greg, thanks for stepping in (even though you didn't have to) and keeping things on track! I look forward to your response, and whatever you think is best to satisfy the masses (gun lovers and haters alike )

[mcheddadi]

I think he does have to step up to explain sometimes, everyone needs to give a little to make the community. Otherwise people just leave and the all mighty admins and moderators end up with an empty forum.

I know that forums like this are kind of mini virtual dictatorships but still, I want to be reminded of this as little as possible lol

[LongBeachCoupe]

Gun discussion in the future must be in the "great outdoors" section. Thats all.

[kerrton]

I think he does have to step up to explain sometimes, everyone needs to give a little to make the community. Otherwise people just leave and the all mighty admins and moderators end up with an empty forum.

I know that forums like this are kind of mini virtual dictatorships but still, I want to be reminded of this as little as possible lol

Yes, and that's what the moderator did, he very clearly explained why the thread was moved and I can't figure out why this is so hard for some people to accept. Arguing about the right to own guns is totally irrelevant regardless of what side you are on, the point is this is a Nissan forum and guns don't belong here. Also, some general discussion outside of Nissan topics does happen here, but like the moderator said, the one about guns is different because it's a sensitive/controversial topic so it's just best not to have it here. Also, the sponsors have reasonable expectations that the content on this site will remain on-topic and avoid controversial topics that they don't want to be associated with. It's all very reasonable and crystal clear.

[AZhitman]

We're not going to come down heavy-handed, regardless... so don't expect that.

We want this place to be as fun, comfortable and freewheeling as it can be.

That being said, Google and some other entities have pretty strict rules on content. We run afoul of their rules, we run the risk of losing a major portion of the funding that keeps the site up and running.

Glad you guys understand.

[rjdmmfl1]

Yes, and that's what the moderator did, he very clearly explained why the thread was moved and I can't figure out why this is so hard for some people to accept. Arguing about the right to own guns is totally irrelevant regardless of what side you are on, the point is this is a Nissan forum and guns don't belong here. Also, some general discussion outside of Nissan topics does happen here, but like the moderator said, the one about guns is different because it's a sensitive/controversial topic so it's just best not to have it here. Also, the sponsors have reasonable expectations that the content on this site will remain on-topic and avoid controversial topics that they don't want to be associated with. It's all very reasonable and crystal clear.

Yes, but he did NOT, at the time, explain where to post new similar threads in the future, nor is this information expressly stated for new members to adhere to. This was the point of us asking the additional questions that we did to Greg, not to you, the self proclaimed anti gun, canadian yahoo thread destroyer and b*****r! Brian gave us our answer, and we are all perfectly happy with that. How about you do all of us gun loving Americans a favor, and keep your a$$ in canada, and we'll stay in America with our guns... oh yeah, did I mention...

[kerrton]

Man, you've got nothing to worry about there.

Since you brought it up, I have no desire to move to a third world country that is currently in ruins, where tens of millions of people don't even have basic health care because it's too expensive, parents have to take out second mortgages and ruin their lives just to pay for routine medical procedures, and the country's priority (particularly for the past couple decades) has been to create wars and cause misery rather than take care of it's own people who are suffering. I have nothing against Americans, in fact I really feel for you guys and this sh**ty situation you're in, I'm just saying things are pretty bad in your country now and I really hope things improve soon with your new leader, but for the time being I won't be considering leaving my consistent "Top-10 in Quality of Life" country, where health care is free and accessible to 100%.

Anyway no need to get all angry, I just wanted to keep the crazy gun stuff seperate from the car talk and that's all, you didn't have to blow things out of proportion and make it a "Canada vs. US" debate.
Modified by kerrton at 12:39 PM 3/18/2009

[mcheddadi]

Canada FTW!!!!! but yeah this thread sucks so lets let it die and take the political views to the POLITICAL FORUM lol. zeroforum?id=256

Can I has peace now? kthxbai!

[AZhitman]

The air must be pretty thin up there in Canucky-ville.

"Third world country?"

I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that, and chalk that up to a lack of experience and some snotty French pacifist influences.

[marlin29311]

Man, you've got nothing to worry about there.

Since you brought it up, I have no desire to move to a third world country that is currently in ruins, where tens of millions of people don't even have basic health care because it's too expensive, parents have to take out second mortgages and ruin their lives just to pay for routine medical procedures, and the country's priority (particularly for the past couple decades) has been to create wars and cause misery rather than take care of it's own people who are suffering. I have nothing against Americans, in fact I really feel for you guys and this sh**ty situation you're in, I'm just saying things are pretty bad in your country now and I really hope things improve soon with your new leader, but for the time being I won't be considering leaving my consistent "Top-10 in Quality of Life" country, where health care is free and accessible to 100%.

Anyway no need to get all angry, I just wanted to keep the crazy gun stuff seperate from the car talk and that's all, you didn't have to blow things out of proportion and make it a "Canada vs. US" debate.

Modified by kerrton at 12:36 PM 3/18/2009

I want to reply to this so bad....but I will restrain myself...

I have an idea for you pal - make a thread about this in the politics forum.

[kerrton]

Marlin, you're right, sorry about the post.

I had a moment of weakness after I read that rude post telling me to "stay in Canada" just because I suggested getting rid of the gun posts.... anyway I should've restrained myself like you just did.

[rjdmmfl1]

Man, you've got nothing to worry about there.

Since you brought it up, I have no desire to move to a third world country that is currently in ruins, where tens of millions of people don't even have basic health care because it's too expensive, parents have to take out second mortgages and ruin their lives just to pay for routine medical procedures, and the country's priority (particularly for the past couple decades) has been to create wars and cause misery rather than take care of it's own people who are suffering. I have nothing against Americans, in fact I really feel for you guys and this sh**ty situation you're in, I'm just saying things are pretty bad in your country now and I really hope things improve soon with your new leader, but for the time being I won't be considering leaving my consistent "Top-10 in Quality of Life" country, where health care is free and accessible to 100%.

Anyway no need to get all angry, I just wanted to keep the crazy gun stuff seperate from the car talk and that's all, you didn't have to blow things out of proportion and make it a "Canada vs. US" debate.

Modified by kerrton at 12:36 PM 3/18/2009

Yes, much of what you said is true, and we as Americans can all take the blame for it together, we're not gonna blame Bush, we're not gonna blame the republicans, we're not gonna blame the rich, or the Democrats, or whoever.. WE WILL GET THROUGHT THIS TOGETHER. But you forgot to mention a few things...

1. the fate of the WORLD is tied to the fate of the USA! The world economy is vastly dependent on our economy, for better or for worse, that's just the way it is.

2. people aren't breaking their necks to move to Canada.. as bad of shape as its in, recent world polls still showed that folks in most countries still view the USA as the land of opportunity

3. You had better hope we never decide that Canadians are in collusion with terroists, otherwise, we could just as easily march across the border, and take over that freezing rat hole you call a country whenever we please. Even with our depleted resources, we could still defeat your entire armed forces with our general population, let alone use our real army!

4. You do not want to really take this over to the politics forum and say these things you've said here.... they would completely embarass, humiliate, and destroy your every word until you left the forum with your tail between your legs (we've already seen how sensitive you are) BUt that's not what anyone wants... let's just all get along!